Any thoughts on this conditioner?

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Hi, if you understand surge protectors - AC cleaners/correctors, does these figures tell you anything (about one such device)? Thanks in advance.

Voltage tolerance (under power load): +/- 1%
AC correction speed: 8 psec
CMRR (common rejection to ratio): 88 dB
Load power / peak to peak power: 3800 W / 4400 W
Line voltage / frequency: 225 V / 50 Hz
 
Mate said:
Hi, if you understand surge protectors - AC cleaners/correctors, does these figures tell you anything (about one such device)? Thanks in advance.

Voltage tolerance (under power load): +/- 1%
AC correction speed: 8 psec
CMRR (common rejection to ratio): 88 dB
Load power / peak to peak power: 3800 W / 4400 W
Line voltage / frequency: 225 V / 50 Hz
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Can you show the device?
 
Not before I reach 10 posts - forum rules prevent me from posting links and pics before. So this is my post #9 :)
 
IMO figures for power conditioners tell you nothing since equipment in this category varies so widely. There is little agreement on how to best "condition" power for audio equipment. My advice would be to read as much about the different options as possible and to look for a solution that has the most practical and least mystical explanation. Then, audition if possible. I stay away from any company that seems to me to have double talk in their marketing of this type of product.
 
Voltage tolerance (under power load): +/- 1%
AC correction speed: 8 psec
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From the picture and their website, this unit looks like a passive device, meaning it uses capacitors and coils to eliminate noise. If that is the case the above two specs are meaningless.
If it is an active device like a PS Audio Powerplant, then there may be something to it. But it sure doesn't appear to be built that way.
Their website is also full of vague statements (at least the English site is).
It may be a good filter, but without trying it, there's no way to be certain.
 
I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. Those devices are home-made, it's not a registered company. There are 3 categories: standard, reference, ultimate. They are very expensive. Between 100 and 200 units has been built, some of them for industrial purposes, most for audiphiles. I saw 3 published articles about performed tests, one ridiculed the device, the other two were very favorable. I heard of few persons who own top audio eqipment. One of them tried standard model of this device and was unimpressed and dissapointed. Others tried referent model and said that they could change all their equipment, but that they would never part from this conditioner. It is very heavy and very complex inside (I once had a glimpse of its inside), and it cannot be opened - since inside the box it's filled with epoxy resin. Its inventor keeps all the details a secret. He tried to sell patent to Philips, but they offered him 10 times less money than he desired, so the negitiatons stopped. That was almost 15 years ago. Since then, the inventor became very ill, so he stopped making them. The last device he made took him 2 years to complete, cause most of the time he can't get out of the bed. That last unit is referent model, finished in 2013, and he gave it to me. But my current equipment is very cheap and I think inadequate for testing such device, it's intended for use with top high-end gear. Plus I don't have much experience and much knowledge about technical side, but I do learn faster and faster what is good sound and what is not.
 
Mate said:
I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. Those devices are home-made, it's not a registered company. There are 3 categories: standard, reference, ultimate. They are very expensive.
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If they are very expensive you could consider going with proven companies. PS Audio has a very good reputation on power conditioning. The problem that easily occurs if it is not being done in the right way is filtering. I think you want to avoid this.

On this German used audio equipment site they offer several units.

HiFi - audio-markt.de - Die HiFi-Seite

Here is a picture of the largest version: the PS 10

ps_audio_p10.jpg
 
Thanks. PS Audio is even more expensive, and those who are satisfied with the referent and ultimate models of described conditioner think that it works better than PS Audio. And anyway, I got my conditioner, so I don't really look for other solutions, just want to learn more.
 
My experience with PCs is every part and wire can influence the sound. It never ceases to amaze me. The companies that I have been impressed with (in doing no harm by selecting best design and parts) are audience and jena labs.
 
Mate said:
Thanks. PS Audio is even more expensive, and those who are satisfied with the referent and ultimate models of described conditioner think that it works better than PS Audio. And anyway, I got my conditioner, so I don't really look for other solutions, just want to learn more.
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Well then, go for it!
 
Mate said:
I'm afraid I can't be of much help there. Those devices are home-made, it's not a registered company. There are 3 categories: standard, reference, ultimate. They are very expensive. Between 100 and 200 units has been built, some of them for industrial purposes, most for audiphiles. I saw 3 published articles about performed tests, one ridiculed the device, the other two were very favorable. I heard of few persons who own top audio eqipment. One of them tried standard model of this device and was unimpressed and dissapointed. Others tried referent model and said that they could change all their equipment, but that they would never part from this conditioner. It is very heavy and very complex inside (I once had a glimpse of its inside), and it cannot be opened - since inside the box it's filled with epoxy resin. Its inventor keeps all the details a secret. He tried to sell patent to Philips, but they offered him 10 times less money than he desired, so the negitiatons stopped. That was almost 15 years ago. Since then, the inventor became very ill, so he stopped making them. The last device he made took him 2 years to complete, cause most of the time he can't get out of the bed. That last unit is referent model, finished in 2013, and he gave it to me. But my current equipment is very cheap and I think inadequate for testing such device, it's intended for use with top high-end gear. Plus I don't have much experience and much knowledge about technical side, but I do learn faster and faster what is good sound and what is not.
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Those two bolded sentences above don't go together. "Industrial" companies don't usually buy products built in someone's garage or basement.
 
True, but this is an exception. There is a friendship between the inventor and a factory official, who believed in his product. The factory profited very much from these conditioners, because their robotic arms finally started to work calm and smooth all the time. Jitter caused by very bad and "dirty" electricity (that we have here) caused damage, and that is (was) very expensive.
 
Mate said:
True, but this is an exception. There is a friendship between the inventor and a factory official, who believed in his product. The factory profited very much from these conditioners, because their robotic arms finally started to work calm and smooth all the time. Jitter caused by very bad and "dirty" electricity (that we have here) caused damage, and that is (was) very expensive.
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Must be digital robots since they have jitter.
 
You probably know what I meant, mep, English is not my native tongue...
 
If some of you maybe find this topic interesting, I'd like to mention some more info, that the inventor told me. I'd like to see what you think of it. This conditioner does not have power button. Just a simple led which lights when it's plugged into a socket. He said that it's best never to un-plug it. As I understod him - the longer it stay powered, the better results the device will give. So, a month after month it will be more and more useful. If I un-plug it, it will kinda... reset. Also, he said that positive efects on electricity will spread across the whole electrical wires network in my appartment, at least slightly; not just devices plugged directly into conditioner (which has 7 sockets) will benefit from it, but some positive effects ("cleaner electricity") should be "felt" in other rooms too.
He does not go into details, because I do not have the necessary knowledge to understand it all, nor do I have time (or will) to learn it now, and he's too ill to speak for long, especially about these tiring subjects. He does not have any formal education in the field of electricity or audio, but he dedicated his whole life exploring it. However, some younger, but highly trained professionals from the fields of electricity dismiss some or many things he says.
What do you think?
 
Mate said:
What do you think?
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I think you write a lot but don't convey a lot of information. You ask for opinion but you are not really open for input. It seems like you want to promote your friends company or product in a very mysterious way....
 
No Glareskin, you're very wrong. I wrote what I know, I don't know other technical details. The "friend" does not have a company and can hardly get out of bed for years now. I can't talk to him about this stuff. I'm interested to see neutral opinions.
 
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