Any Shindo 604 AlNiCo owners here?

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kev313 said:
That looks like a possible price for the petite alnico latour. I believe petite with FC were in the ballpark of 604 FC. Can't really recall.


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The field coil PL and field coil 604 are very close in retail cost. Or were a year ago.


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Loop4fun said:
The field coil PL and field coil 604 are very close in retail cost. Or were a year ago.


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So the FC Latour is 65k and the FC Petite Latour is at what price ?
If the FC604 and the FC Petite Latour are at the same price, could you elaborate a bit on the differences in sound ? Petite Latour is more suited for small rooms ?
Last question on FC speakers and please excuse my ignorance :
Is there an on / off switch on the rear of the speaker or does the FC circuit stays under tension all the time ?
Thanks a lot !
 
I keep the field coil on all the time. If I take a two week trip maybe I'll unplug them, or just turn off the Mr T that powers them if I remember to do it. The PL and the 604 are in the $55 to $60 range. The Latour is about $70. I can't elaborate on the sound since I've never heard the 604, but you can also get the 604 in the PL size cabinet. The PL itself is a good sized and hefty speaker. The Petite woofer is a 12 inch rather than the 15 of the Latour and 604, I'd have no chance of fitting the Latour or in my room. The Petite can be used in a big room, the Latour in a really big room. Petite is kind of a misnomer, It's not really very petite.

I will say that I spent an evening not long ago with a really really nice high end Focal system. I asked to pay a record that I remember Matt playing at his Greenhaus. When Matt played the record on the big Latour all 20 people stopped talking dead in their tracks and just listened. When the same record was played on the Focal system everyone just kept right on visiting as usual. The Shindo/Latour had that special "it" factor.
 
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I keep the field coil on all the time. If I take a two week trip maybe I'll unplug them, or just turn off the Mr T that powers them if I remember to do it. The PL and the 604 are in the $55 to $60 range. The Latour is about $70. I can't elaborate on the sound since I've never heard the 604, but you can also get the 604 in the PL size cabinet. The PL itself is a good sized and hefty speaker. The Petite woofer is a 12 inch rather than the 15 of the Latour and 604, I'd have no chance of fitting the Latour or in my room. The Petite can be used in a big room, the Latour in a really big room. Petite is kind of a misnomer, It's not really very petite.

I will say that I spent an evening not long ago with a really really nice high end Focal system. I asked to pay a record that I remember Matt playing at his Greenhaus. When Matt played the record on the big Latour all 20 people stopped talking dead in their tracks and just listened. When the same record was played on the Focal system everyone just kept right on visiting as usual. The Shindo/Latour had that special "it" factor.
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Thanks a lot !!!
Very useful information !
 
Loop4fun said:
I keep the field coil on all the time. If I take a two week trip maybe I'll unplug them, or just turn off the Mr T that powers them if I remember to do it. The PL and the 604 are in the $55 to $60 range. The Latour is about $70. I can't elaborate on the sound since I've never heard the 604, but you can also get the 604 in the PL size cabinet. The PL itself is a good sized and hefty speaker. The Petite woofer is a 12 inch rather than the 15 of the Latour and 604, I'd have no chance of fitting the Latour or in my room. The Petite can be used in a big room, the Latour in a really big room. Petite is kind of a misnomer, It's not really very petite.

I will say that I spent an evening not long ago with a really really nice high end Focal system. I asked to pay a record that I remember Matt playing at his Greenhaus. When Matt played the record on the big Latour all 20 people stopped talking dead in their tracks and just listened. When the same record was played on the Focal system everyone just kept right on visiting as usual. The Shindo/Latour had that special "it" factor.
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The 604 can be very nice in smaller rooms. Matt and Jonathan are *very* helpful with speaker and room discussions.

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I actually just reviewed my prior correspondence to confirm price and see if I had info on the big Latours. While I do not have any info on the full size FC Latour, I believe I have mistakenly referenced my price as 65k where it was actually 60k in 2013. The standard non FC 604 is 35k. Sorry for any confusion!

Again, this probably highlights either early onset dementia on my part or my inner belief that I love my speakers so much I'd have paid the extra $5000. Or both. It definitely shows that interested parties should consult their dealer.

Let me leave everyone with one other piece of advice (unsolicited): IF you are actually interested in Shindo speakers in this range, do yourself a favor and ask Matt or JH to give you the run down on the new A23 models as well. They are gorgeous and give many more speaker and price options. I could've easily gone with 4 different A23 speakers. (homage Ken, cinema, whatever they call the WE type speaker about Cornwall sized with the LM tweeter on top, or the giant LM horns). Gorgeous gorgeous speaker which to my eye aesthetically outdistance the Shindo cabs by a wide margin.


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kev313 said:
The 604 can be very nice in smaller rooms. Matt and Jonathan are *very* helpful with speaker and room discussions.

**important edit**
I actually just reviewed my prior correspondence to confirm price and see if I had info on the big Latours. While I do not have any info on the full size FC Latour, I believe I have mistakenly referenced my price as 65k where it was actually 60k in 2013. The standard non FC 604 is 35k. Sorry for any confusion!

Again, this probably highlights either early onset dementia on my part or my inner belief that I love my speakers so much I'd have paid the extra $5000. Or both. It definitely shows that interested parties should consult their dealer.

Let me leave everyone with one other piece of advice (unsolicited): IF you are actually interested in Shindo speakers in this range, do yourself a favor and ask Matt or JH to give you the run down on the new A23 models as well. They are gorgeous and give many more speaker and price options. I could've easily gone with 4 different A23 speakers. (homage Ken, cinema, whatever they call the WE type speaker about Cornwall sized with the LM tweeter on top, or the giant LM horns). Gorgeous gorgeous speaker which to my eye aesthetically outdistance the Shindo cabs by a wide margin.


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Thanks !

I have to find some time to visit Keith.
His speakers receive great praise in the shows when he demonstrates them. Unfortunately he has no dealer in France for his speakers. ( one dealer sells the cables and the SUTs ).
I am not interested in aesthetics for my main set up. Only sound quality matters.
 
If I were working with a budget that allowed for field coil Shindos, I would certainly give a serious listen to the Auditorium23 22A and Cinema Hommage. Those horns on the 22A's look anachronistic but I like them. Everything I've read about them are over-the-top positive. Being semi active speakers, they allow for bass tuning. Given the A23 and LM choices in my price range, I thought that the Alnico 604 was the best choice for a full range speaker.

The speaker made by auditorium 23 with the tweeter on top looks pretty intriguing, but I didn't think they were making it yet. I could be mistaken about that. They do look very interesting.
 
It seems that all of the drivers and horns made by LM are excellent. All-o-that technology is older than dirt sonny!
 
Schmitt said:
So what it comes to details, you become a philosopher? LOL
Timewaster...
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No. I've always been a philosopher. But a "Time waster"? That's interesting. I'm going to guess that I've said more about owning field coil 604s than anyone.

In. The. History. Of. The Internet.

Details: 604. Cabinet. Wood. Vented. Field coils. That's about it. Not terribly impressive on paper, I'm afraid.

If you want more details, call Shindo. They're a more reliable source for technical information. But my first answer will lead you down a better path.


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Schmitt said:
Is there anything how Shindo would have done to overcome the difficulties with 604?
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Lots of speakers have difficulties - matching to certain amps, frequency extremes, cohesion among drivers, room matching. You imply that you know of the particular limitations of the 604 driver. If you care to be specific, it would be a more interesting conversation.

I don't plan to pry mine open to in search of the "special sauce" but apparently the drivers are heavily modified, the crossover is original, internal wiring is new, and of course the 604 is housed in and voiced for the largest enclosure I've seen used with 604's, which is down-ported.

Because I bought mine without getting to hear them first, I was keenly interested in the reviews and opinions of those with direct experience of them. Everyone that hears them loves them, so I'll assume that Shindo's modifications overcame most of the so-called difficulties. I'd be surprised if anyone with knowledge of the technical modifications would share specifics on forums. Those details would be less interesting (comprehensible) to the average person than Shindo 604 owners describing how the speakers sound when compared to stock 604's.
 
Bongo said:
Lots of speakers have difficulties - matching to certain amps, frequency extremes, cohesion among drivers, room matching. You imply that you know of the particular limitations of the 604 driver. If you care to be specific, it would be a more interesting conversation.

I don't plan to pry mine open to in search of the "special sauce" but apparently the drivers are heavily modified, the crossover is original, internal wiring is new, and of course the 604 is housed in and voiced for the largest enclosure I've seen used with 604's, which is down-ported.

Because I bought mine without getting to hear them first, I was keenly interested in the reviews and opinions of those with direct experience of them. Everyone that hears them loves them, so I'll assume that Shindo's modifications overcame most of the so-called difficulties. I'd be surprised if anyone with knowledge of the technical modifications would share specifics on forums. Those details would be less interesting (comprehensible) to the average person than Shindo 604 owners describing how the speakers sound when compared to stock 604's.
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Your crossover is original on the Shindo? I thought he had a custom crossover. In fact, it was my understanding that it was sold separately back when Shindo was more willing to sell components as opposed to only complete systems.


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kev313 said:
Your crossover is original on the Shindo? I thought he had a custom crossover. In fact, it was my understanding that it was sold separately back when Shindo was more willing to sell components as opposed to only complete systems.


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I would be shocked if it was the original crossover and not a shindo one.
 
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