Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

Elberoth said:
OK solved the problem. I forgot that I have just changed my WiFi network to TP Link Deco X60 mesh network, and Deco X60 set itself up in router mode. So I had two routers managing the network. After manually switching the Deco X60 to Access Point mode, everything went back to normal.
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very nice that the solution was simple and quick. it was great that you were able trouble shoot and quickly solve the problem with input from the roon community + support site.

please forgive me for respectfully using your experience to illustrate a point i made in an earlier post: this is a perfect example of the type problems folks have which ultimately are not a roon issue... even though initially attributed to roon. because roon software is the point of contact / control it is probably human nature to first assume any problem is with roon when in fact 99+ out of 100 such issues turn out to be caused by user networks, hardware, configuration, use case, etc.
 
They stated to me a couple years ago that they would be raising the price of lifetime subscription to eventually get to the point where the lifetime would be eliminated. This was their plan all along; use the initial lifetime subs to raise necessary start up funding and then finally settle on yearly subscriptions only. The people who got in on the initial wave of lifetime subscriptions were lucky to get it when they did!
 
Randy Myers said:
They stated to me a couple years ago that they would be raising the price of lifetime subscription to eventually get to the point where the lifetime would be eliminated. This was their plan all along; use the initial lifetime subs to raise necessary start up funding and then finally settle on yearly subscriptions only. The people who got in on the initial wave of lifetime subscriptions were lucky to get it when they did!
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From what I have heard in the past, lifetime warranty means 5-7 years technically...I would not be surprised with a lifetime service being the same. In California..."But California lawmakers got this one right; a company that offers a lifetime warranty must state the time - in years - or how it can be determined. (See Civil Code Section 1797.93)". I had 2 pieces of ripping software I bought and a couple of years later, they changed their name and cancelled all the lifetime memberships and now want to charge more for the software. I am assuming each State has its own interpretation.

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I was a "lifer" within the first week of trying out Roon a few years ago. It completely changed my listening habits. Qobuz, Tidal, Roon and I have not purchased physical media at all saving thousands of dollars over the few years already. I may drop Tidal soon, Qobuz just sounds smoother and more analog like to my ears, at least on most of the music that I listen to.
 
ellisr63 said:
I had 2 pieces of ripping software I bought and a couple of years later, they changed their name and cancelled all the lifetime memberships and now want to charge more for the software.
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What ripping software? If it is for CDs then there are a ton of good free choices. If it is to rip DVDs or BluRays then it would be another issue since they would be breaking copy right restrictions and the company could have much more issues than customers subscriptions :).
 
Randy Myers said:
What ripping software? If it is for CDs then there are a ton of good free choices. If it is to rip DVDs or BluRays then it would be another issue since they would be breaking copy right restrictions and the company could have much more issues than customers subscriptions :).
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It was bluray or dvd ripping. As far as I know it is still legal to rip for personal use your disc that you own.

It still is valid that lifetime does not necessarily mean your lifetime.

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ellisr63 said:
It was bluray or dvd ripping. As far as I know it is still legal to rip for personal use your disc that you own.
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Common sense says that it is, but legally I believe it is not. I could be wrong but I believe selling software that is designed to get around copy guard is illegal, at least in some states. They usually won't bother someone for doing that although people have actually had legal problems; remember the guy who started Napster? There have been other cases of people getting into huge legal issues for copying for their own use. Now if someone tries to sell said copies there would definitely be huge issues.

ellisr63 said:
It still is valid that lifetime does not necessarily mean your lifetime.
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Yea, I understand that. With conversations directly with the folks at Roon they consider lifetime to truly mean lifetime. Not to say they might not change their views down the road.
 
TheOctopus said:
I was a "lifer" within the first week of trying out Roon a few years ago. It completely changed my listening habits. Qobuz, Tidal, Roon and I have not purchased physical media at all saving thousands of dollars over the few years already. I may drop Tidal soon, Qobuz just sounds smoother and more analog like to my ears, at least on most of the music that I listen to.
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I also bought the Roon lifetime subscription after trying it out for about a week. I actually give credit to LMS for changing how I listened to music. That was like 15 years ago. But LMS was abandoned by Logitech and Roon came in to fill that vacuum and then some.

I’m not sure what the legal definition of “lifetime” membership is. But I interpret it to mean that the original owner has access to the software, support, and upgrades for as long as the product is available.
 
nicoff said:
I also bought the Roon lifetime subscription after trying it out for about a week. I actually give credit to LMS for changing how I listened to music. That was like 15 years ago. But LMS was abandoned by Logitech and Roon came in to fill that vacuum and then some.

I’m not sure what the legal definition of “lifetime” membership is. But I interpret it to mean that the original owner has access to the software, support, and upgrades for as long as the product is available.
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That would be the logical interpretation of that "contract" in my opinion as well :)
 
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