Another Roon Heavy Handed Policy

From what has been posted, it looks as if the Bricasti M3 DAC/Streamer was never certified to be Roon-Ready by Roon. It also looks as if Bricasti misrepresented that fact.
But the Bricasti can still be used with Roon when fed a digital signal from another Roon-Ready device. That is an inconvenience that is easy to overcome and once done, will be transparent.

OTOH... I also owned equipment that came with built-in Apps for Netflix, YouTube, etc. The truth is that the GUI of those built-in apps pales (to be polite) compared to the GUI of the regular Roku/AppleTV/Fire/tablet versions.
 
I dropped Roon a few months ago and went to Logitech Media Server on an Intel NUC with a Raspberry Pi running MoOde Audio and the Material Skin. I still had 6 months on my Roon sub but I cancelled it anyway and haven't used it since. My Pi and LMS gives me almost everything Roon can do plus some other things that it can't and all for free, although I have donated to MoOde Audio and Material Skin a couple of times.

This new policy implimented by Roon is another reason I didn't go lifetime sub as I knew they could move the goalposts at any time.

It's also the reason I haven't bought an expensive dedicated streamer, far too easy to become obsolete.
 
I also, may be in the same situation with my PlayBack Designs equipment. One of the pieces I purchased is shown as Roon in their information but still shows up as Uncertified.
Hopefully they come through with their certification.

That said, I don't blame Roon for protecting the control of their products.

I do have sympathy for other that with have a non-compliant product.
 
Well, I decided to give Roon a whirl tonight. When I clicked on the link from my Bryston BDP3 software for a 60 day trial, it went to the OPPS Roon Not Available page.

Trying to sign up, the only option was a 14 day trial (credit card required) and no spot for a code such as Brystons.

I did email customer support so we will see. Anyone with some inside down low?
 
crwilli said:
I have heard second hand, that ROON keeps the product sent to them for certification. If true, that seems over the top.
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Nothing like a juicy rumor to spice up the thread.
 
CPP said:
Well we have a vendor on this Forum that could answer that.
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"I have heard second hand..." doesn't give me any confidence in the rumor started by crwilli. Certification for Roon is free. How can it be free if they never get their products back from Roon after certification?

People love a good villain to hate on and now Roon is the new villain based on this thread. IMO, Roon is the best software out there right now in digital audio land and I love it. The user interface is slick and I have zero complaints.
 
dminches said:
"Best" based on what, GUI? Yes. Sound? No.
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So what software has better sound than Roon? Can you get more than two audiophiles in an elevator to agree with your choice? In what way(s) does your software choice sound better than Roon?
 
I have no horse in this race (I use and love ROON), but why would it be a bad thing for a company to "finally" enforce this type of quality measure? Seems pretty similar to Apple ecosystem. For a company to have grown such as ROON (in the context of the small audio world) they now have to deal with a ton more support and quality internal resources.

It's a doubled edge sword for sure. It would be nice if some DIY device or whatever was plug n play and worked etc..(there probably are some that do) but the more advanced software gets, the more end users, the more technology advances, you become entangled with supporting a ton more products AND ad infinitum more use cases. Dunno, on the surface I could see what a nightmare this potentially could be from a resource stand point. However that's part of the deal as well - gotta design a robust product to work in many varied scenarios (image the gazillion different network setups everyone has), which I think the product already does for the most part.

At a minimum it may help weed out the bogus "troll type" of support issues they have to allocate resources to. That may lead to a better overall product and be more in-line with their original vision as a HiFi audio and not "why the hell cant I use voice activation in all my zones on my bose radio"
 
As a former user of Logitech Media Server (and Squeezebox/Transporter/Duet units), I see Roon as the grown up version of LMS. The data management capabilities of Roon, its GUI, and its easy of use in general far surpass what LMS was capable of at the time it was still being supported by Logitech. LMS has a big thing going for it: it is free. But it also demands that the user be more of a “techie”. Btw, Roon used to support all Logitech streaming devices, that is why I decided to try Roon in the first place and immediately decided to go for the Lifetime Roon membership. That is the best $500 I have spent in audio in over a decade.
 
mep said:
So what software has better sound than Roon? Can you get more than two audiophiles in an elevator to agree with your choice? In what way(s) does your software choice sound better than Roon?
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Mark, the Roon software requires some robust computing power. This computing power creates noise. That’s why sonically, others may prefer other options.

I support Roon in enforcing their rules around certification. I’m glad they did it because we’ve seen devices show up, but not fully work.


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Mike said:
Mark, the Roon software requires some robust computing power. This computing power creates noise. That’s why sonically, others may prefer other options.

I support Roon in enforcing their rules around certification. I’m glad they did it because we’ve seen devices show up, but not fully work.


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Mike-I have yet to hear any digital noise in my system. The only “digital” noise I have ever heard in any of my systems was from the computer fan in the laptop. Room runs on Linux when you use the Nucleus+. The MB in the Nucleus+ doesn’t have a built in audio or video card unlike regular computer MBs. Running Roon on a regular computer running Windows would seem to be way more of a resource hog than running Roon on the Nucleus+.
 
mep said:
Mike-I have yet to hear any digital noise in my system. The only “digital” noise I have ever heard in any of my systems was from the computer fan in the laptop. Room runs on Linux when you use the Nucleus+. The MB in the Nucleus+ doesn’t have a built in audio or video card unlike regular computer MBs. Running Roon on a regular computer running Windows would seem to be way more of a resource hog than running Roon on the Nucleus+.
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You will hear that noise after it gets removed. You wil hear how much better your CA system will sound with a lower noise source.
 
Projectman said:
I think I said it! I have had two devices that were advertised as Roon Ready. The two I have experience with were the NAD M10 and the Bricasti M3 DAC with Ethernet Streaming. Both were shown in Roon as Roon Ready - Uncertified. Both were advertised as being Roon Ready (since removed from the NAD and Bricasti's websites).

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The problem is that both Bricasti and NAD were FALSELY advertising they were Roon Ready. That's exactly what Roon is trying to prevent with this move. It was up to you to verify whether they were indeed Roon Ready, by going to Roon Partners list and checking for yourself.
 
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