This is so boring. People who always reflexively think that the expensive stuff is the best engineered, and must sound the best.
Analog and Vinyl: no longer the benchmark
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This is so boring. People who always reflexively think that the expensive stuff is the best engineered, and must sound the best.
Kuoppis
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Yes, that’s exactly what I am thinking [emoji3]. Sorry.
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AJ Soundfield
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But only >$100k cables so the peasantry stay away.
Digital or analog?
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Kuoppis.......I don't have a clue what point you attempted to make with that first comment, but I could not agree more with the second comment. You're absolutely right. To each their own.
As I said, I have heard the evidence. But perhaps my poor ears are just not as good as a rich man's golden ears.
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You wrote a long review, plus a lots of comments about the Schiit Yggdrasil DAC if I remember correctly.
Am I mistaken?
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It does not have anything to do with anyone’s ears. It’s just that you are making judgments about analogue based on a sub-par experience. That’s the only point I am challenging.
Go listen to a proper setup. If you still think the same, then you are at least commenting based on a proper point of reference. You might think 7K is a kick-ass setup, other people might think differently.
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Ok, you seem to have misread me. The $ 7K number referred to my own digital, not to the analog that I heard. As I said, I listened to several top analog systems. Vinyl rigs up to $ 70 K or more (incl. phono stage). Well-adjusted set-ups, with in each case the owner taking great care of how the set-up is done.
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Not referring to a dealer setup or a trade show. You can’t hear anything at those. What you have at home counts.
I am really sorry, but this is really, really boring.
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Sorry, wrong again. These were all home systems, fine-tuned by the owners over the years.
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You are criticizing other people’s systems. Really sorry, but that is not to the slightest extent interesting.
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No. I said I loved what I heard. The analog sounded amazing.
You need to stop misreading and twisting my words for your own agenda.
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I am not interested in anyone liking anything they have not put their own money into. It is just useless blabber of a wannabe.
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Shortly after writing it, I politely edited in one of my above posts (beginning of previous page) the initial term "High End snobs" into the neutral "people". Your posts continue to illustrate all too well that I should not have done so.
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You know what, whatever you say, you win. Call me whatever you please. I really and honestly am not particular about that.
My intent on this forum is exchanging opinions with real practitioners, that’s of immense value to me personally. Sharing real experiences is what counts.
Whether some theoretical lovers of haters of something want to have a point of view, be my guest.
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Good. We agree! I have shared real experiences.
AJ Soundfield
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Ah yes, the 'ol d1ck measuring contest, with people who have tiny lousy wannabe <$20k dacs, not $100k ones at home, to compare to analog.
Tsk, tsk.
Tsk, tsk.
Yeah, well, in the spirit of the forum I tried to keep it friendly, and even edited an initially more offensive post towards a less sharp tone because of that.
But trying to keep it friendly goes only so far, at some point enough is enough.
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I've invested my time and resources in optimizing all formats, digital, vinyl and tape, to the highest points.
while I agree that my digital is now pretty awesome, and that I listen to it 70% of the time, analog....vinyl and tape.....still set the standard for music reproduction to my ears in my system. this is listening 35 hours a week to my system, 52 weeks a year.
the MSB Select II and the other optimizations of my digital performance do break thru prior performance ceilings quite dramatically, and it does go places no previous digital has gone. and, I suppose, depending on one's sonic priorities, if someone valued 'clean' over content, then I can see where they might move digital equal or ahead of analog. but connection to the musical event is what analog does best.
just my 2 cents, YMMV.
I am 100% pro digital, as my over-the-top commitment to it clearly demonstrates. so I'm not in a defensive posture on any of this. it's just my viewpoint.
while I agree that my digital is now pretty awesome, and that I listen to it 70% of the time, analog....vinyl and tape.....still set the standard for music reproduction to my ears in my system. this is listening 35 hours a week to my system, 52 weeks a year.
the MSB Select II and the other optimizations of my digital performance do break thru prior performance ceilings quite dramatically, and it does go places no previous digital has gone. and, I suppose, depending on one's sonic priorities, if someone valued 'clean' over content, then I can see where they might move digital equal or ahead of analog. but connection to the musical event is what analog does best.
just my 2 cents, YMMV.
I am 100% pro digital, as my over-the-top commitment to it clearly demonstrates. so I'm not in a defensive posture on any of this. it's just my viewpoint.
Interesting to observe that in 46 days since the original post there has been a scant 19 posts from 11 members on the dog-eared topic of vinyl versus digital. I interpret this unenthusiastic interest to indicate a general level of fatigue many audio enthusiasts experience about rehashing what amounts to a personal preference issue. I am not surprised by the low participation when discussing this topic. In my opinion, all that can be said has been said. Despite the original poster's encouragement for a heated debate, stirring this old rusty pot doesn't seem to generate much interest anymore.
Well, I guess you got some heat in the debate after all...
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