AMG v12 TURNTABLES
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Thank you for the info, Bob
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The Benz LP is hard to find, I wonder was going on with Benz
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No Tero,
They are very hard to find
They are very hard to find
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Its a beautiful table, super build quality with some unique engineering that's for sure.
The only thing that bothers me about the AMG is what may be what gives it the sound everyone likes so much. (strange sentence that was).
The vertical bearing is a spring. That means you essentially have two springs at opposite ends of the arm (the other is the cartridges cantilever) both resonating at different frequencies. May be a great idea I don't know as I don't have one of those rings on my finger the smart guys have, but it just does not sit right with me.
The only thing that bothers me about the AMG is what may be what gives it the sound everyone likes so much. (strange sentence that was).
The vertical bearing is a spring. That means you essentially have two springs at opposite ends of the arm (the other is the cartridges cantilever) both resonating at different frequencies. May be a great idea I don't know as I don't have one of those rings on my finger the smart guys have, but it just does not sit right with me.
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At the music event in Seattle several weeks ago, where Wilson demoed the new Sasha 2, I spoke with Garth of Musical Surroundings and he said he'd recently been receiving a few LPS. I had purchased the one used in the AMG introduction at the music event last year, it was the only way I was able to get one. It is mounted on my v12.
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Looks like my post was a little out of context sorry, just saw AMG V12, the table fascinates me and I just blurbed out a post.
Such a unique arm, I wish I had an engineering degree to understand it better.
I have a feeling the one I heard had an LP or LPs installed in it.
Such a unique arm, I wish I had an engineering degree to understand it better.
I have a feeling the one I heard had an LP or LPs installed in it.
haha!! i tend to blurt occasionally myself. i usually listen to something first , then if i like it i figure out the ins and outs and read how its made and stuff. i would not have known that.lol. i know jeff has i dont know like 10-15 tables in his room and just loves that amg and the arm. we've spoke on it a few times. id love to hear one, but havent come across one yet. im sure i will eventually.
So, how does it sound?
Should I find one to my AMG? Now I have the Miyajima Shilabe.
Satisfied with that one, but maybe laking in the midpart of frequences.
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I also have heard the GFinger Statement and I concur sonically it is amazing and LP-S equally wonderful perhaps a touch, ever-so-slight softer but like silk is softer than 1200 thread count cotton. I would say the Goldfinger is a better cartridge but also $10k more, and while maybe "better" the LP-S is one of the best cartridges money can buy, in not top ten, perhaps even top 5. (I have yet to hear MC Anna).
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So true. The LP-S is in a league of its own at its price and its ability to draw one into the music
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I'm curious if your findings would be the same if the cartridges were swapped to the it's opposing table…..Benz on the Spiral Groove and the Goldfinger on the AMG v12? In other words, which is imparting more influence on the sound characteristics that you are hearing….the table or the cartridge? Any thoughts?
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Exceptional question. I listened the past two days to both tables. I truly believe once we get into these level of tables the cartridge imparts a bigger difference than the table or tonearm or wiring. I heard the Goldfinger Statement on my Innovation Wood and my Spiral Groove. And my Benz LP-S on my innovation wood and my AMG. The sonic traits carried over table to table. I will say the spiral groove amplified the awesomeness of the Goldfinger tho. More open and dynamic. So I believe the key is to buy just enough turntable and tonearm and splurge on the cartridge. That's where the magic lies.
The Benz LP-S is definitely on my radar. I wonder how it compares to something like an MC Anna.
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Never heard an LP-S but the MC Anna sounds almost like digital without the rough edge (perfect), I love mine, use it in an SME 20/12 with the V12 arm.
ive heard both and alot of cartridges in between them. (pricewise) the lp-s is a great cartridge and ive not heard another around the $5k that i think even comes close .ive done about 4 or 5 listening sessions with it and the original LP too(which does way better than the lp-s on jmw arms) i thought it easily bettered the $5500 davinci. but thats just me.i tried to buy it as a demo off the guy several times.
but the anna is in a different league. that or the koetsu tigereye platinum are my favorite cartridges i ever heard that i could never afford. and thats including a couple more expensive ones and in the same price area as well. but what i think does not matter as most all of them were heard in different places on different gear, so who is to really say until they have them in their home.
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Thanks Dpod4 for sharing your thoughts with me on this. I understand that the table and arm are still important pieces of the puzzle, but with the cartridge actually being the only transducer of this 3 piece puzzle, it would make sense that it may impart the most influence on the sound. Also, I continually hear similar sonic reports of each cartridge from others, to sound the same as what you have heard from your experiments.
Although I do not have the LPS, I do have the Benz Ruby Zebra Wood which is S-Class, priced $4,000 and it also has similar characteristics/house sound of the LPS (I'm not saying quite as nice as the LPS though, but similar). I'm still trying to decide which table will be my "last" table. I have no plans on getting rid of my Benz cartridge, and with your experience of these great tables with a similar cartridge to that of mine, I thought it might be logical to ask for your thoughts.
Thanks again for sharing!