Alexia and Mezzo for sale

Nick - when Clayton went to CAD development, the final dimensions came out to 45x14x3D. An even more manageable footprint. As for bass, I spoke with Clayton about this very subject. He assured me the speaker has plenty of slam. Worse comes to worse, I can always use a pair of subs, but I don't think that will be necessary. What you try to achieve with a point source dipole is the very thing that cannot be reproduced by a closed box speaker - bass which does not have any build up or overload.
 
Mike said:
Worse comes to worse, I can always use a pair of subs, but I don't think that will be necessary. What you try to achieve with a point source dipole is the very thing that cannot be reproduced by a closed box speaker - bass which does not have any build up or overload.
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Mike...if you reintroduce a subwoofer than wouldn't you be reintroducing a boxed speaker that will overload the room, especially if it's a subwoofer that is going to be crossed in typically at 60 Hz? Also a question...I can see how the Thor subwoofer in your room can easily overload it, but if you run the Alexias on their own, do they also excite bas nodes in the room? Or is it the case that on their own, there is not enough slam for you?
 
Cyril - good questions. I was simply telling Nick I'm confident there will be plenty of slam from the Statements. I made sure of this with Clayton because I've read everything I can get my hands onto regarding point source dipoles. So, no, I don't think a sub will be needed.

As for the Alexia's - I'm speaking with them on their own. I've used up to four subs, played with different crossover points and I'm referring to them on their own in my room. Plenty of slam on their own. They are an amazing speaker - top to bottom. Very musical to boot.


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Mike said:
Cyril - good questions. I was simply telling Nick I'm confident there will be plenty of slam from the Statements. I made sure of this with Clayton because I've read everything I can get my hands onto regarding point source dipoles. So, no, I don't think a sub will be needed.

As for the Alexia's - I'm speaking with them on their own. I've used up to four subs, played with different crossover points and I'm referring to them on their own in my room. Plenty of slam on their own. They are an amazing speaker - top to bottom. Very musical to boot.


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Mike...I am an idiot. You do not have the Thor. You have the Mezzo center channel speaker that you are selling with the Alexias. For some reason in my head I swapped them. The Thor would be overkill for most rooms. In any case, got it. The Alexias on their own are still too much.

Here's hoping the new speakers are just right!
 
That's ok Cyril. I did try subs - including my Seaton Submersives - but only as a means to attempt cancellation.

The Spatial Black Hole actually has worked the best, without taking anything away.

I'm very excited about the Spatial Statements. I have a feeling....industry game changer? Maybe.


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Mike,

Before you give up on the Alexias, have you ever thought about having Jim Smith come in and do his RoomPlay set up?
 
jap said:
Mike,

Before you give up on the Alexias, have you ever thought about having Jim Smith come in and do his RoomPlay set up?
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Yes, I have. I'm just not sure Jim can change basic physics. I've read his work and I know he's terrific at what he does - especially for those not quite sure on proper setup.
 
Mike said:
Yes, I have. I'm just not sure Jim can change basic physics. I've read his work and I know he's terrific at what he does - especially for those not quite sure on proper setup.
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If Jim can come in ask him to bring his Tannoy Canterbury for you to try :P
 
Mike said:
The Alexia's are outstanding speakers....but I have a bass problem with my room - plain and simple. I had the same problem with the Raidho's and others too. Finding speakers that work in my room is a bugger.


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Should have kept these soulless Magico's a bit longer... ;)
 
Hi Mike

Your issues mirror mine, except you have gone through the cost of room treatment to find out it does not really change the room and the boom enough on dynamic bass music played at reasonable volumes.

I don't believe long term the Strads will be any better in your room. I owned the Strads for 5 years and for 2.5 of them, I was like you. They intregrated very well with my room and in fact I used to REL Stentor sub to give a little more bass reinforcement. In hindsight, the bass drivers were no yet broken in at this time.

THEN, the Strad bass drivers finally broke in after a very loud NYE party (over 2500 hours) and so did the bass bloat overflow the room like every other full range speaker. That is why I sold them after fighting that over the last 2.5 years.

I have reduced the bass output with different resistors from Wilson - that helped a little. DSP on the bass under 200hz. A compromise that at least allows me to enjoy the music direct for bass shy recordings and use the dsp when dynamic big bass is on the recording.

I hope the new dipole speakers work as I am very interested - but you must wait til the bass drivers fully break in.

How do Maggies sound in your room?
 
Mike said:
Steve - thanks...glad I can help! :D

I think the Lumina's are going to be game changers....but I've been wrong many many times before! I'm willing to try them. I'm the first to order a pair of the Statements (gulp!). Let's put it this way, if they work in my room (and others here corroborate), then I think they will work in any room! LOL.

I have to tell you, on 90-95% of the recordings, my room is not an issue at all. But then you hit that one album and all goes to hell. The new David Sanborn and Bob James album is a freaking bass nightmare in my room. Like 4 cheap subs booming away. But, again, it's only about 5-10% of recordings. But you know how it is when things bug you.....


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Mike,

There is something I do not get.
If even only 90 % of the time, the speakers sound great in this room, don't you think that the other 10 are due simply to bad mastering ?
The Alexia's are like reference level monitors.
If there is a bass bump in a record, they will deliver it.
I have the exact same problem with my Harbeth 40.1. Actually they even go lower than the Alexia's. When the bass was not well recorded by the sound engineer, it is delivered this way by my system.
Do you think that 100% of the recordings are great ? :D
I would suggest either you pass and spin an other one, or, as Alan Shaw always states, just reduce the volume with those fat bass records. This way you won't excite room resonances.
Now you can desire an other sound than the Alexias and then changing the speakers is the right thing to do.



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Jerome W said:
Yes Paul.
I listened to both extensively.
But you need the right amp with the 40.1 to go really low. And you need perfect isolation with the floor.



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What's the right amp?
 
Mike said:
Nick - when Clayton went to CAD development, the final dimensions came out to 45x14x3D. An even more manageable footprint. As for bass, I spoke with Clayton about this very subject. He assured me the speaker has plenty of slam. Worse comes to worse, I can always use a pair of subs, but I don't think that will be necessary. What you try to achieve with a point source dipole is the very thing that cannot be reproduced by a closed box speaker - bass which does not have any build up or overload.
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Try some subs with an isobaric infrasonic generator set-up, absolutely incredible in comparison to anything else I've heard. Throw some good monitor's in there too,...... ooooh la la!!!!!!!!

BlueMcIntosh said:
If Jim can come in ask him to bring his Tannoy Canterbury for you to try :P
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:D :D

I think you'd be making a mistake to go back to the Strads Mike, I really do. Try a Torus & monitors. Better still get another room/house It'll be cheaper in the long run if you keep this up!
 
XV-1 said:
Hi Mike

Your issues mirror mine, except you have gone through the cost of room treatment to find out it does not really change the room and the boom enough on dynamic bass music played at reasonable volumes.

I don't believe long term the Strads will be any better in your room. I owned the Strads for 5 years and for 2.5 of them, I was like you. They intregrated very well with my room and in fact I used to REL Stentor sub to give a little more bass reinforcement. In hindsight, the bass drivers were no yet broken in at this time.

THEN, the Strad bass drivers finally broke in after a very loud NYE party (over 2500 hours) and so did the bass bloat overflow the room like every other full range speaker. That is why I sold them after fighting that over the last 2.5 years.

I have reduced the bass output with different resistors from Wilson - that helped a little. DSP on the bass under 200hz. A compromise that at least allows me to enjoy the music direct for bass shy recordings and use the dsp when dynamic big bass is on the recording.

I hope the new dipole speakers work as I am very interested - but you must wait til the bass drivers fully break in.

How do Maggies sound in your room?
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That is strange about the Strads. 2500 hours of break in? Sounds like something must have been damaged after the long party....that's my guess.

Maggies sounded fine in my room, but they don't have the focus I like. That being said, I enjoyed my Maggie journey - MMG, 1.6, 1.7, 3.6, 3.7. My biggest beef was that they needed a lot of power, but couldn't play loud.

Mike
 
sharkmouth said:
Try some subs with an isobaric infrasonic generator set-up, absolutely incredible in comparison to anything else I've heard. Throw some good monitor's in there too,...... ooooh la la!!!!!!!!



:D :D

I think you'd be making a mistake to go back to the Strads Mike, I really do. Try a Torus & monitors. Better still get another room/house It'll be cheaper in the long run if you keep this up!
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You might be right Kev, but the Strads were wonderful in my room. I'm sure the Torus + Monitors is a great combination. I would love to hear it.
 
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