Alan Eaton Mono-block 45 amps anyone?

A good SET is not lush , dark etc , as a matter of fact really good top amps have alot of similarity in their sound reproduction which is , they become very pre amp related in what you hear once you match amp drive to load !
I agree with this. Any zero feedback tube amp has to be very carefully matched to the speaker. If its any good, it will show off the strengths and weaknesses of whatever lies upstream. Just restating what you said...

ASR had a poll a year or two ago wherein sound files could be downloaded; a set of several songs where you could compare A vs B; B was a wire, A was a chi-fi SET (don't remember what power tube) that cost about $1000.00 IIRC.

Most of the people responding could not tell them apart. I imagine a lot of that was simply because they were doing the comparison on their desktop system... but the point was made :)

Adding to my prior comment, the big weakness of SETs and SEPs is making bass, due to the requirement of a gapped output transformer. The gap is required to prevent excess distortion due to DC magnetization of the transformer core (this doesn't happen in push pull amps since the two power tubes conduct against each other, cancelling out the DC component). The gap causes a loss of inductance at low frequencies, which causes the load impedance to decrease.

This makes designing a good SET output transformer a challenge!

This characteristic is hard on the tube (causes it to run hotter as power it makes that should be dissipated in the load is dissipated in the tube instead) as the lower the frequency, the more the transformer load impedance decreases. But it gets worse; the load line also gets severely elliptical. This, in addition to the reduced load impedance, cause the tube to make a lot of distortion as well as less power.

Parafeed SETs are an attempt to get around this problem. That requires a coupling cap in addition to the output transformer as well as a pretty big choke to act as a plate load for the power tube. So in solving one problem others are introduced.

These days the way transformer producers try to get around this problem is to make the transformer a lot bigger, able to handle more power. This limits high frequency bandwidth if you get too big. The best transformers I've seen have been rated about 35 Watts but intended for use with a single 300b so it will only see about 7-8 Watt at full power. By doing this you extend the bass bandwidth but the limitations are unavoidable.

So if you want the most out of any single-ended tube amp, its a good idea to cross it over and have some other amp handle the bass. This results in an immediate sense of clarity the amp couldn't do before and of course allow for more usable power since most of the power in music is in the bass region. This is easily done since all that's needed is a small capacitor placed in series with the input. Its also possible to simply use a smaller capacitor at the output of the Voltage amplifier circuit in the amp. Smaller coupling caps tend to have less problems than larger values, so this can result in greater transparency as well.
 
IMO the strength of a good SET is how it handles the bass , its ability to transition with pace is what makes them great with fantastic jump , if only using for mids/highs a PP tube like a VAC is vastly superior …
 
IMO the strength of a good SET is how it handles the bass , its ability to transition with pace is what makes them great with fantastic jump , if only using for mids/highs a PP tube like a VAC is vastly superior …
IME if you flip that around and put the PP amp on the bass it works better. Many people talk about the bass of their SETs and it really makes me wonder if their speakers are able to play the bottom octave. My speakers are flat to 20Hz but are not the best for most SETs as their efficiency is only 98dB. But with that sort of bandwidth they can shake the house easily if the information is there.
 
IME if you flip that around and put the PP amp on the bass it works better. Many people talk about the bass of their SETs and it really makes me wonder if their speakers are able to play the bottom octave. My speakers are flat to 20Hz but are not the best for most SETs as their efficiency is only 98dB. But with that sort of bandwidth they can shake the house easily if the information is there.
Nah i have heard really good bass from SET’s with fantastic Jump not matched by PP toob amps with maybe a few exceptions ..

An SET done right matched to some really good speakers ( most are not ) is a fantastic sound its not sleepy or warm or wooly at all ..!

Regards
 
The efficiency of my speakers are 105db, so I’m guessing I should have no problems. (We’ll see).
Unfortunately very rare to have good balance with such high sensitivity , unless a very large system ( cant be a 2 way for eg) where efficiency takes a hit but at 105db shud not be an issue ..
 
No problems, no problems at all! I received my Alan Eaton amps this morning and after spending some time unpacking ( very well packed I must say ) and setting up I am now listening for almost 3 hours and am gobsmacked with the clarity, soundstage and the amount of bass I’m getting! All with less than 3/4 of a watt. My Klipschorn’s never sounded so good. Nils Lofgren, seems right in front of me, if I stick out my leg I swear I’ll kick him! And Electric Light Orchestra with its complex rhythms and voicing I was a bit afraid 3 tubes on each channel wouldn’t or couldn’t manage, but I now I laugh at my worries.
 

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No problems, no problems at all! I received my Alan Eaton amps this morning and after spending some time unpacking ( very well packed I must say ) and setting up I am now listening for almost 3 hours and am gobsmacked with the clarity, soundstage and the amount of bass I’m getting! All with less than 3/4 of a watt. My Klipschorn’s never sounded so good. Nils Lofgren, seems right in front of me, if I stick out my leg I swear I’ll kick him! And Electric Light Orchestra with its complex rhythms and voicing I was a bit afraid 3 tubes on each channel wouldn’t or couldn’t manage, but I now I laugh at my worries.

That's great you are loving them!
 
Alan suggested let them play for another 30 to 40 hours to break them in. I can’t believe they will even get better!
 
Unfortunately very rare to have good balance with such high sensitivity , unless a very large system ( cant be a 2 way for eg) where efficiency takes a hit but at 105db shud not be an issue ..
Older, high efficiency speakers made prior to the late 1950s usually have level controls for the mids and highs. The Klispsch corner horn was no exception (mine had them). They are there to adjust the speaker to the power response of the amplifier since the latter was an unknown and the former varied depending on the driver used at that frequency. This is what I call the Power paradigm, since it relies on an amplifier that attempts to make constant power regardless of its load impedance (which of course it can't actually do, hence the word 'attempts').

So it should be no surprise that the Klipsch works with these amps.
 
Alan suggested let them play for another 30 to 40 hours to break them in. I can’t believe they will even get better!
I have found typically at least a bare minimum of 100 hours to help get over the ups and downs of the sound during the first 100 hours of burn in.

I always do 250+ hours.

My Luxman tube gear for instance was like a light switch suddenly getting better at 275 hours.
 
Alan also said he runs his amps about 24 hours before shipping them out so I’ll just keep playing them! Not a hard job.
 
No problems, no problems at all! I received my Alan Eaton amps this morning and after spending some time unpacking ( very well packed I must say ) and setting up I am now listening for almost 3 hours and am gobsmacked with the clarity, soundstage and the amount of bass I’m getting! All with less than 3/4 of a watt. My Klipschorn’s never sounded so good. Nils Lofgren, seems right in front of me, if I stick out my leg I swear I’ll kick him! And Electric Light Orchestra with its complex rhythms and voicing I was a bit afraid 3 tubes on each channel wouldn’t or couldn’t manage, but I now I laugh at my worries.
Is that a 300B ..?
 
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