Air Tight vs VTL vs Triode Corp of Japan

I am scheduled to get a demo of Airtight vs Audionote on Avantgarde Trios sometime towards the end of May
 
RonR said:
Dear mep,

Thank you for the comment. But I just think of it as "that's what makes horse racing.. I don't see why anyone would be sensitive to criticism of one's preferred equipment.

One man's "just soft, a bit laid back, a bit tame sounding" is my sonic perfection! : )
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Ron-You obviously haven't been around audio forums very long. :) There are lots of people who going crying to the mods if you say something negative about their darling baby-trust me. It doesn't even matter if their darling baby has a load in their diapers and flies are buzzing around its bottom, they only smell roses. Some people are perpetually offended by everything and everyone, and if they aren't currently offended, they are looking for a reason to be offended. That's why I made the comment I made on this thread about you possibly needing therapy after people referred to VTL amps as being slow, sluggish, can't keep the beat, etc., because you paid big money for the pair you own. And my point to saying that is I don't want to hear from mods telling me that when I tell the truth about a component on this forum that other people own that people are getting their feelings hurt and crying to the mods if suddenly it's OK to tell the truth about other components that other people own and now we aren't worried about their feelings. It doesn't make sense to me now and it never did.

And for the record, I never said that VTL amps are slow and sluggish and can't keep the beat. That sounds like an amp with crazy amounts of negative feedback and I know that VTL does not use crazy amounts of negative feedback. :D
 
cmalak said:
Problem with brands like Viva and NAT and New Audio Frontiers is they have very limited dealer network and aftermarket support in USA, so any needed repairs is likely going to involve a trip back to home country (Serbia and Italy) and with very few dealers if you're amp is gone for 2 months for repairs, unlikely you will have a dealer who will give you a substitute amp while your unit is being repaired...
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And what is their resale value?
 
international companies usually have an authorized repair person in the States- its part of the distributors job. FTR, ARC referred me to an LA repair guy when i had an issue with the LS 25- i didn't have to ship it to MN which was nice.

however, if resale is all you care about, buy ARC or McIntosh. nothing compares, period.
 
KeithR said:
international companies usually have an authorized repair person in the States- its part of the distributors job. FTR, ARC referred me to an LA repair guy when i had an issue with the LS 25- i didn't have to ship it to MN which was nice.

however, if resale is all you care about, buy ARC or McIntosh. nothing compares, period.
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"however, if resale is all you care about" - can you tell me how you arrived at this conclusion? I think I have a high degree of proficiency in the English language and I can see no such inference or logical derived conclusion. I do believe the conversation has talked about issues related to Service, Support , sonic impressions , prices , etc. I think it naive to assume that potential resale is not at least one of the key factors audiophiles look at , they have been known from time to time to rotate through their gear. Ever seen a NAT amplifier ? Or a NAF ? Or better still, lifted one ? Many of these manufacturers do require shipping back to the home country , outgoing at the owners expense . Cost of shipping a 140 lb wooden crate to Serbia or Italy ? I'd say its significant and an audiophile would be foolish not to consider that as part of the purchase decision.
 
All I am saying is you buy the company and its distributor. Rarely has to deal with how repairs are made.

This thread has really gotten off the mark- which was to delineate the most popular tube manufacturers outside of ARC. I'm going to politely bow out. Good luck with any decision, Mike.
 
KeithR said:
All I am saying is you buy the company and its distributor. Rarely has to deal with how repairs are made.

This thread has really gotten off the mark- which was to delineate the most popular tube manufacturers outside of ARC. I'm going to politely bow out. Good luck with any decision, Mike.
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Please don't, you're making some good points and I agree with you on MC and ARC....their resale is excellent.

I do notice a LOT of VTL gear in the systems of Audiogon members (it's searchable). That tells me SOMEONE is buying VTL. I personally love their lower priced stuff (185 and the like).


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Bruce said:
I'd Pass on the VTL's--too slow-- every time I've heard them they give me the impression they are struggling to keep up with the music

Sorry

Bruce
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Wow, the very best system I've ever heard uses four VTL Siegfried II's. It is anything but slow. They are used to power Rockport Arrakis speakers in that system. I believe they were also used to power Wilson XLFs and Thor's Hammer subs at RMAF two years ago and slow is not a word I believe anyone who heard that system would say. Perhaps some older models had more of that traditional "tube" sound of yesteryear, but not today's VTL.
 
Dear mep,

You are right! I am not a big computer/internet person. (I am not on a single social media or photo site.)

I have enjoyed the hobby for 30 years but I discovered the audio forums only about 3 months ago.

Thank you for the background to your first post on the sensitivity subject.
 
I have tried the VTL MB 450 and AirTight ATM-211 on Strads. The mids on ATM 211...:exciting::exciting:
MB 450? No.

Would love to post images soon.
 

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I have tried the VTL MB 450 and AirTight ATM-211 on Strads. The mids on ATM 211...:exciting::exciting:
MB 450? No.

Would love to post images soon.
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Welcome to Audioshark BTS! Beautiful setup there.

Agree with you on VAC with Strads (and Wilson too). Not a good fit. But VAC with Focal is another story. Great synergy there!

Have you tried any other Air Tight amps? They are VERY high on my list. I've noticed they have a number of high powered offerings as well (even up over 300 watts/channel in their reference series).
 
joeinid said:
Love those Strads, the ATM 211 must be incredible.
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Absolutely delicious, but lacks some controll in the lower end.
They got very high WAF too, my wife loved the look of them.
 

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Mike said:
Welcome to Audioshark BTS! Beautiful setup there.

Agree with you on VAC with Strads (and Wilson too). Not a good fit. But VAC with Focal is another story. Great synergy there!

Have you tried any other Air Tight amps? They are VERY high on my list. I've noticed they have a number of high powered offerings as well (even up over 300 watts/channel in their reference series).
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Thanks Mike,

No, have not tried any other AT amp. Yet.
 
What about Audio-Tekne? The company has similarities to Shindo...a father/son team, father worked for a large Japanese manufacturer back in the day, produce a whole lineup from cables, turntable, cart, amps, integrated amps, pre-amps, phono pre-amps, speakers. Not cheap.
 
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