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isn't every REL, JBL, SVS and so on sub DSP? Are members saying they all suck and using a driver in a box with their old Krell KSA250 to power it is the only way to apply subs to a system.
 
a.wayne said:
Many have heard and bought my no DSP systems back when you were in short pants-at daycare..
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PT Barnum says Hi.
a.wayne said:
When does Playing Digital means one is oblivious to the process, what i’m not oblivious to , is how unnaturally sad a DSP system sounds ..
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You're oblivious to playing DSP recordings for the last 40yrs. The Mofi egg on face example was hysterical.
a.wayne said:
Being involved in the ( in the past) recording industry , I’m aware of the processes needed , Digital or analog, what’s obvious is how you are oblivious to and believe to fix a poorly designed speaker system you need to add DSP, DSP is not necessary to reproduced said recordings, its a bandaid at best :)
But go ahead i can always turn up at your next show with more recordings to show up the holes in the bandaid DSP ….
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Recording a birthday party on VHS doesn't count, but congrats on your storied past. By all means bring some music you recorded this year ;-)
 
You are beyond retarded with these responses J , you must be with CNN .. :)

Let me know the audio dealer with your Temu products …

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AJ Soundfield said:
That's 100% incorrect Lee. DSP can be used with a digital signal...no ADC. Further, conversions can be done losslessly and/or with zero audio degradation. A testable situation.
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Zero degradation to those who are tone deaf , do you even understand timbre , look it up AI can help ..!

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Kingrex said:
isn't every REL, JBL, SVS and so on sub DSP? Are members saying they all suck and using a driver in a box with their old Krell KSA250 to power it is the only way to apply subs to a system.
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Stay away from sealed subs running servo’s especially with your open baffle speakers …!
 
a.wayne said:
Zero degradation to those who are tone deaf , do you even understand timbre , look it up AI can help ..!
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The only "evidence" you will ever provide is self delusion. Your MoFi records were DSP :ROFLMAO:. All those tracks you request at show? DSP recordings ;-).
BTW, since you imagine yourself a recordist, we have live music at every show. Other than embarrassment, what would prevent you from doing an in situ recording of these performances? I plan on doing just that with my very non-audiophile setup. Would you like to add to the hilarity by doing a direct comparison in front of our peers, of science vs delusion?
There should be several folks here attending who could judge ;-).
 
Bring those very imaginative ears and recordings of yours, I'm doing those on site recordings anyway. Laughs for everyone.
 
Unless you know of another "No DSP" option....:cool:
Or we could just blissfully keep listening to a D in those 3 letters, believing otherwise.
 
AJ Soundfield said:
The only "evidence" you will ever provide is self delusion. Your MoFi records were DSP :ROFLMAO:. All those tracks you request at show? DSP recordings ;-).
BTW, since you imagine yourself a recordist, we have live music at every show. Other than embarrassment, what would prevent you from doing an in situ recording of these performances? I plan on doing just that with my very non-audiophile setup. Would you like to add to the hilarity by doing a direct comparison in front of our peers, of science vs delusion?
There should be several folks here attending who could judge ;-).
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That would be cool. Have Gary Koh with his tape machine and someone with a digital recorder and capture the show, then play them back.
 
I had a DEQX Premate. It was very easy, even in bypass to hear the losses the device inserted into the chain. It went a way very quickly.

The easiest and only way I could see doing any type of comparison of the potential losses due to digital conversions would be a all analog vinyl or tape chain, then inserting an ADA device into the chain and listening. No added anything. Just a device that is analog to digital and back to analog and out to the amps. Or preamp. Insert it where you want. I am highly confident you will hear it.

Another options would be a 2 driver speaker that is already biamped. Listen to the analog crossover. Then direct couple the amp to the driver and insert your favorite active crossover. What do your hear? In this synerio, I don't know which one would be seen as most natural and real. I think it would come down to what are you attached to in the playback. But I bet almost everyone would hear a change, yet realize there are gains and losses in both. What is the greater evil will be the question.

Its not that hard to do.
 
Kingrex said:
That would be cool. Have Gary Koh with his tape machine and someone with a digital recorder and capture the show, then play them back.
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That would indeed be cool if he was attending.
Kingrex said:
I had a DEQX Premate. It was very easy, even in bypass to hear the losses the device inserted into the chain. It went a way very quickly.
The easiest and only way I could see doing any type of comparison of the potential losses due to digital conversions would be a all analog vinyl or tape chain, then inserting an ADA device into the chain and listening. No added anything. Just a device that is analog to digital and back to analog and out to the amps. Or preamp. Insert it where you want. I am highly confident you will hear it.
Another options would be a 2 driver speaker that is already biamped. Listen to the analog crossover. Then direct couple the amp to the driver and insert your favorite active crossover. What do your hear? In this synerio, I don't know which one would be seen as most natural and real. I think it would come down to what are you attached to in the playback. But I bet almost everyone would hear a change, yet realize there are gains and losses in both. What is the greater evil will be the question.
Its not that hard to do.
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Years back I did a session with SAS audio club, TT>dual out phono pre, 1 to preamplifier input A, other through an AD/DA 16/44, to preamp input B, voltage matched at preamp output. A/B switching. Results were hilarious. Rumor is JA/Stereophile did same many years ago.
You should attend FIAE someday
 
This has been an interesting detour for a room optimization thread.

In another thread here someone asked the evergreen question “what's most important? Speakers, source, etc ?”

No one mentioned the room. Silence, crickets. Speakers always win these polls.

Your room is the most important component in your system. It impacts your listening experience far more than a single component be it analog, digital, or whatever.

Knowing how your room works, it’s RDT vs. frequency, modes, Schroeder frequency, etc. is critical to getting the most out of your listening experience.

Anyway kudos to Craig for delving into the science of room acoustics and proper speaker and listener placement.
 
Lee Scoggins said:
The problem with DSP is that it degrades the signal. It's an ADC-DAC two step and lossy conversion.
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DSP when done in the digital domain does not degrade the signal. DSP is applied prior to the conversion to analog.
PS. An audiophile friend of mine who mostly listens to his amazing (over 1k) LP collection, converts the analog to digital (ADC), applies DSP (Trinnov), and then converts back to analog. All of it is done on the fly. He prefers the ADC-DAC result to the straight analog playback by a wide margin.
 
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