Actor Philip Seymour Hoffman dead after suspected drug overdose | @ 46

+2, he was human. I've never come across anything that if i liked it I didn't try ay least twice.by most theory I am hooked to all if not most, sometimes sheer willpower does not have the intelligence to decipher when!let him rest!
 
I feel for his family like any other family that loses a parent. What I can't understand lately, is why with really good people dying every day, we now Glorify Actors who kill themselves?

I really have no idea who this guy is or know him from any movies, but does he really deserve a moment of silence today while just a few days ago he was found dead with a needle in his arm?

So many people on the east coast have died in the last several months from Heroin mixed with Fentanyl cocktails and we never heard a word about it until this guy offs himself. Why is he so much more deserving?

What about Gandofini? Fat, Overweight, and just asking for a heart attack and New Jersey flies State Flags at Half Mast when he drops.

I guess I am just really disheartened how people treat celebrities and act as if they are somehow so much better than everyone else and deserve special treatment when they are stupid and foolish.
 
Shadowfax said:
I feel for his family like any other family that loses a parent. What I can't understand lately, is why with really good people dying every day, we now Glorify Actors who kill themselves?

I really have no idea who this guy is or know him from any movies, but does he really deserve a moment of silence today while just a few days ago he was found dead with a needle in his arm?

So many people on the east coast have died in the last several months from Heroin mixed with Fentanyl cocktails and we never heard a word about it until this guy offs himself. Why is he so much more deserving?

What about Gandofini? Fat, Overweight, and just asking for a heart attack and New Jersey flies State Flags at Half Mast when he drops.

I guess I am just really disheartened how people treat celebrities and act as if they are somehow so much better than everyone else and deserve special treatment when they are stupid and foolish.
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I could not disagree more.
 
Shadowfax said:
I feel for his family like any other family that loses a parent. What I can't understand lately, is why with really good people dying every day, we now Glorify Actors who kill themselves?

I really have no idea who this guy is or know him from any movies, but does he really deserve a moment of silence today while just a few days ago he was found dead with a needle in his arm?

So many people on the east coast have died in the last several months from Heroin mixed with Fentanyl cocktails and we never heard a word about it until this guy offs himself. Why is he so much more deserving?

What about Gandofini? Fat, Overweight, and just asking for a heart attack and New Jersey flies State Flags at Half Mast when he drops.

I guess I am just really disheartened how people treat celebrities and act as if they are somehow so much better than everyone else and deserve special treatment when they are stupid and foolish.
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I completely agree.

He was just a rich junkie. Neither Hoffman nor Gandolfini nor Houston nor Jackson, Joplin, Hendrix or any other of that ilk did anything to improve human existence. All most of them did was stand up in front of an audience in person or on a screen. No need to glorify them after they kill themselves.
 
BlueFox said:
So art does not improve human existence. You have an interesting perspective of the world.
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Well said.

And, no one is glorifying Hoffman's lifestyle, but rather, giving notice of his tragic and wasted life/talent. There is no question people of less note die everyday; had I known of them and their lives, I would also pause to point out the tragedy as most of us have a compelling/endearing story or attribute.

Given the above, I do draw the line at the extra scrutiny and investigation being conducted to find Hoffman's dealer and the nonsense of wanting to prosecute him for murder. Just plain stupid.
 
BlueFox said:
So art does not improve human existence. You have an interesting perspective of the world.
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NOT any more than philosophers, great thinkers, scientists, emergency room physicians or many, many others who go through life while being anonymous.

He was just a famous junkie and never should have been mentioned in a White House briefing.

mdkim said:
Well said.

And, no one is glorifying Hoffman's lifestyle, but rather, giving notice of his tragic and wasted life/talent. There is no question people of less note die everyday; had I known of them and their lives, I would also pause to point out the tragedy as most of us have a compelling/endearing story or attribute.

Given the above, I do draw the line at the extra scrutiny and investigation being conducted to find Hoffman's dealer and the nonsense of wanting to prosecute him for murder. Just plain stupid.
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Agreed.
 
Of course I am saddened by the death of a great talent. I looked forward to his movies and enjoyed them every time.

But my sadness is tempered these days more with more disappointment and less grief. Mr. Hoffman was a successful, affluent and popular performer and this action was self-inflicted.

Yes, I have sympathy for addicts, but there was time in his life when Mr. Hoffman was NOT an addict and purchased unsafe, illegal drugs, and knowing what could be the consequences still used them. Every year we read about a young celebrity or two who dies this way. Or in a car crash going a zillion miles an hour, or in some other preventable way that often puts innocent people at risk.

Maybe I’ve gotten too old, too cynical, but my sympathies are mostly with people and families who have terrible tragedies occur in their lives and never invite them.
 
We live in America, and that is part of our heritage, cultural society; actors, actresses, musicians, singers, who are stars, rich, famous, and even good at what they do. Some of them have real talent.

And Philip was simply very very good, as an actor, not a celebrity looking for fame and stardom and attention and fortune.

But unfortunately he could easily afford the dark side; he made his own choice, all in his own lonesome self.
...And for no one else than himself. ...And that choice ultimately cost him his life @ age 46.

We are part of America, this is what America is, Philip Seymour Hoffman was part of America, he was great actor.

John Lennon was a great songwriter, he was British, he was living in New York, he was part of America, he was part of the entire world.

Woody Allen is American, he lives in America, he loves New York, he is part of the American culture, part of the movie scene business, he's a movie director.

Tom Hanks is American, he is an excellent actor who doesn't want to piss anybody off, doesn't want to screw up.

Philip Seymour Hoffman is no more, people from all venues are mourning him; not for his heroin overdose but for his amount of work as a great American actor.
This is America, this is what and who we are, this is New York, this is San Francisco, this is Las Vegas, this is entertainment, this is movie and reality show time, this is Los Angeles, this is Hollywood, this is TV, this is America, this is our culture, our own set of values' system, this is the world we live in, here in America, these are the values we live by, and so many many more ....
 
Hey, I'm an art lover, a movie lover, a music lover, and Canada is my home, my culture, my equilibrium, my igloo, and Canada is part of America, that is who Canadians are, brothers and sisters living in North America, north of the American border, and in one big and cool continent; America, where Central and South America are also part of.
Even Alaska and Hawaii. :)

I'm all in, and Rest in Peace Philip; I love you and always will, no matter what. Because that's who you are, and because that's who I am; both we're from America, one large continent, our culture, our art, our who we are. We are good, you were good in your trade.
I immensely enjoyed your acting performances.
 
Very few actors threw themselves so unreservedly and fearlessly into roles as did Hoffman. I just ordered a Blu-ray of A Late Quartet. That and his portrayal of Truman Capote represent some of his finest work in my opinion.

Now, I have no idea what demons drove the man, but it is hard to understand with all of our information about the devastating effects heroin has on the body how any intelligent person could inject it. He must have been in a lot of emotional pain. By the way, according to early reports, no fentanyl has been discovered.
 
I think there is a difference between judging someone and either accepting their behavior or, frankly, forgiving it. Hoffman seemed to have been a good person who did a bad and self destructive act
 
Philip like anyone else was a unique individual, a theater person, @ work as in real life.

We all have our secrets, our addictions, anyone, and I mean nobody is perfect, not even the pope.
Humans is a weak species, and they love more bad news than good news, they love more war dramas than love stories.

That's us, that's how we are, that's the world we grow up in, a world of money and false values.
And Philip was just one of us.

You were good Philip in your trade, we're good in seeing it, we're all good in our imperfect world and powerful surroundings of evil.

Philip was not your typical Hollywood celebrity; he was much more him than someone else, even when he was acting.
 
Bob, you are a good friend, so please understand how I reply here. You wrote, “
“We all have our secrets, our addictions, anyone, and I mean nobody is perfect, not even the pope.”

No.

Of course we are not perfect. In fact if you look in the dictionary under “imperfect” you will find my picture next to it.

My addictions are chocolate and home theatre. My secrets don’t include illegal drugs, murder, or cheating at Jeopardy. You cannot compare “causal” secrets with committing fraud like what Bernie Madoff did.

I have done a great many thing I am not proud of, or willing to admit, but not at the level, the extreme level done by some others. To put everyone in eh same basket is wrong.

To be judgmental is wrong and harmful. To have standards is not. Children of the 1960s continue to confuse that. Everyone opinion is equal, every choice has the same value. Not true. Some choices are bad and harmful.
 
I heard this morning that another actor made statements to the effect that if Heroin was legal and properly administered, this guy would not be dead.

At what point is an addiction to Heroin OK? Look what happened to Michael Jackson as he had his addictions "Properly Administered to by a Doctor".

I wish people would stop making excuses for this guy. After watching what happens to people as they push the needle, I swore and stuck to it that I would NEVER stick a needle in my arm. I have had my share of ups and downs and Heroin was never the answer for me and should not be for others. This guy made 4 MAC withdraws that same day to buy $1200 worth of smack. Gee, maybe we should blame the MAC Machine that did not limit him to $300 per day?
 
Brian,

I guess some people think that if Heroin was legal and regulated it would be controllable. However, Alcohol is legal and regulated and we have a lot of alcoholics. The statement also shifts not just the blame but the responsibility of Hoffman’s actions to the general public.

We have the same problem with smokers. People in the 1920-1950s starting smoking thinking it was an innocent hobby and very sociable. Doctors, ball players, celebrities and even Fred Flintstone, in animated commercials, promoted it. Many, including two uncles of mine, developed lung cancer and died. There were addicted and could not stop when the big news, linking smoking to cancer came out in the early 1960s. However, we now live in a country where millions still smoke and they knew the risks when they started.

So how does making heroin legal help?

I feel sorry for Hoffman, but it is tempered with disappointment. He had the resources to seek help. And he had the intelligence never to start.
 
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