Active Speakers - will this time be different?

Check the trunk make sure they haven't hidden a Dayton amp in there.

And remember, "Its all subjective"
 
nicoff said:
You being a subjective audio reviewer, I am sure that you only trust your own ears. So here is some homework for you: Go to your nearest Audi dealer and tell them that you want to test drive an Audi with the B&O 3D Sound System. See how it compares to your own system or systems you have heard and feel free to report back.
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Nice deflection, but it won't work. You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system. So yeah, your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
 
mep said:
your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
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Subjectivity requires a back up??

Wow, who knew? Ok, maybe we can have a poll of those who heard the active speakers at Axpona, like those humongous Klipsch Jubilees.
 
mep said:
You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system.
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It reminds me of the headphone comparison.
A short time ago, in another space, a huge audiophile and audio equipment designer, deep connoisseur of electronics and the audio industry, who has heard and had great systems, said that when he want to listen to music, no system comes close to the headphones.
And I read it, and my thought was: "despiste all his experience, he never really heard a system playing well"... :weird:
 
mep said:
Nice deflection, but it won't work. You made the statement that the Audi car stereo sounds better than expensive home systems, but you won't tell us what expensive home systems you compared the to the Audi stereo system. So yeah, your statement about the Audi car stereo sounding better than expensive home stereos remains strictly your opinion backed up by nothing.
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My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
 
AJ Soundfield said:
Subjectivity requires a back up??

Wow, who knew? Ok, maybe we can have a poll of those who heard the active speakers at Axpona, like those humongous Klipsch Jubilees.
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If you are going to say that X sounds better than Y, that would infer you listened to both X and Y and gave your subjective opinion based on hearing both. Nicoff doesn't want to mention what expensive systems don't sound as good as an Audi car stereo.

So what question(s) will be on your poll about active speakers at Axpona?
 
Hear Here said:
My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
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FWIW, B&O offers four audio systems for Audi: Their cheaper option is the Bang & Olufsen Sound System (my old A7 had this one; it was just ok), next comes the Bang & Olufsen 3D Sound System, then the 3D Premium Sound System (my Audi SUV has this one; it is excellent), and finally their best option is the Bang & Olufsen® 3D Advanced Sound System. Only the 3D Advanced System (the top tier) uses the active speakers.
 
mep said:
If you are going to say that X sounds better than Y, that would infer you listened to both X and Y and gave your subjective opinion based on hearing both. Nicoff doesn't want to mention what expensive systems don't sound as good as an Audi car stereo.

So what question(s) will be on your poll about active speakers at Axpona?
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Nicoff actually said
Hard to believe that you can now find car systems that sound way better than home systems costing a lot more money.
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which is what you bolded in your quote.
I've personally heard many audiophile systems that sound horrible, so that completely generalized non specific statement by Nicoff would hold true...and I've never heard the Audi system, but I've heard plenty of similar car "top of the line" MCH systems that beat the pants of those horrible 2ch audiophile systems. As a matter of fact, several friends who attended Axpona stated there were some truly horrible systems there too. Transistor radio sound at sky high prices. Nicoffs generalization would hold there too. Plus his personal subjective taste is no more/less valid than yours. It needs no "back up" or validation any more than yours. Personal preference is just that.

My poll question would be "How did it sound to you"?
 
I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof because there are other places to have that discussion.
 
Hear Here said:
My Audi has a B&O sound system that is pretty good compared with most car systems, but not a patch on my home system. Surely no one would claim it could be, unless your home system is truly appalling!
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Someone did claim it to be...
 
Factory Car Audio has come a long way since my days of Adding a Blaupunkt or Alpine Head Unit, an Amp under the seats, and several MB Quart speakers the first week of buying a car. The HK system in my Santa Fe is OK and the 12 Speaker Bose system in my Buick is better than my first Sony Rack System :)
 
steve59 said:
I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof because there are other places to have that discussion.
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You don't need a DBT for comparing a car audio system to a good home system unless you are deaf.
 
mep said:
You don't need a DBT for comparing a car audio system to a good home system unless you are deaf.
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Here is an example of full-blown expectation bias. :rolleyes: Not surprising since it comes from a subjective reviewer who really drank the kool aid.
 
steve59 said:
I was going to ask of this forum is devolving into dbt for proof
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DBTs are great proof for objective claims, but not requisite for anyone who comprehends what purely subjective means.
One of course can verify specific subjective claims via DBT if desired.
Did you hear the Klipsch?
 
nicoff said:
Here is an example of full-blown expectation bias. :rolleyes: Not surprising since it comes from a subjective reviewer who really drank the kool aid.
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I would rather have expectation bias (which i don't) than delusional bias. There is no comparison between the interior of a car as a listening space vice a good system in a good room.

If your car stereo sounds better than your home stereo, it's time to donate your home system to Goodwill.
 
I don't listen to music in my car and I don't listen to news and sports in my audio room, so there is nothing to compare.
 
In a prior life I designed audio systems for corporate jet aircraft. Gulfstream, Falcon Jet, Challenger, etc. What I could do, and what high end car stereo designers can do, is exactly characterize the acoustic space and design a system to work properly within it. Everything I did was active because it was lighter, and weight was everything.

A home stereo speaker designer has no such luxury and has to design for some target that will work in some rooms and not in others. Thus the preponderance of crappy sounding expensive stereo systems.

But mobile environments, even great ones in luxury automobiles, are just really challenging in and of themselves.
 
It’s easier to make it sound good in a smaller space (car) than a larger one (home).

Although my system in the dedicated room sounds several times better, I still love the burmester in my Macan.

The same can’t be said about my Odyssey’s stock stereo. It’s practically unlistenable and I ended up changing it to Focal K2 speakers and Helix DSP system.
 
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