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Michaels HiFi said:
I was just talking with some industry people and they shared a similar sentiment - they believe the brands currently being shilled by the two extemist-maximus shills now have a dark cloud hanging over them for being linked to the organized shilling.

They believe - in essence - overnight the brands have almost become toxic as public perception will be to anyone who buys any of the gear "oh, you fell for that shilling?" or alternatively if people admit to getting that gear "oh, are you part of the organized shills?".

I thought those were interesting view points.

It will be interesting to see how the completely manufactured "interest" in these brands - now with all the negative association with them - plays out.
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I just have a look again at the first post by SW of the Stellavox amp thread in WBF. SW said all along he won’t change Lamm but he kept promoting this unknown brand amp in the post. I felt strange initially. Now it all makes perfect sense. This site is full of shills indeed lead by him.
 
Adyc said:
I just have a look again at the first post by SW of the Stellavox amp thread in WBF. SW said all along he won’t change Lamm but he kept promoting this unknown brand amp in the post. I felt strange initially. Now it all makes perfect sense. This site is full of shills indeed lead by him.
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They way WBF tries to silence people, send death threats, and unleash their small group of WBF-terrorists to harass innocent WBF members (as has been well documented publicly by many past and present WBF members) should earn WBF a place on the Designated Audiophile Terrorist Group list. LOL

The two biggest shills from there - we'll call them Shill #1 and Shill #2 -should be put on the Audiophile Black List.

Now that I think about it, does that mean the companies who are sponsoring WBF now knowing full well how they operate and those secretly employing Shill # 1 and Shill #2 are guilty of funding audio 'terrorists'? LOL

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I took a look at WBF several months back, but could not stay interested. It was good to research a few things, but ultimately, it fell off my radar, and its browser tab disappeared. I’m certainly glad II never got mixed up in any of that mess.

I keep coming back to you guys, and buying stuff from Mike.

Of course, the forum on the MSB website is good if you use, or want to learn more about MSB.
I peek in at AudiophileStyle, Chris is cool, and sometimes interesting stuff comes up there.
I do like poking around at Twittering Machines.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
They way WBF tries to silence people, send death threats, and unleash their small group of WBF-terrorists to harass innocent WBF members (as has been well documented publicly by many past and present WBF members) should earn WBF a place on the Designated Audiophile Terrorist Group list. LOL

The two biggest shills from there - we'll call them Shill #1 and Shill #2 -should be put on the Audiophile Black List.

Now that I think about it, does that mean the companies who are sponsoring WBF now knowing full well how they operate and those secretly employing Shill # 1 and Shill #2 are guilty of funding audio 'terrorists'? LOL

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You seem very emotionally caught up in WBF. So much so its reducing the authenticity of the message. I generally read more tones down language that contains fact. When t gets to full of personal emotion and verbal attacks, I block the poster.

Per my earlier question, how many views has the Facebook post gotten? Are there really any eyeballs on the issue.

Do you have any data to support dealers are dropping the line? Can you name a store that dropped it?
 
Kingrex said:
You seem very emotionally caught up in WBF. So much so its reducing the authenticity of the message. I generally read more tones down language that contains fact. When t gets to full of personal emotion and verbal attacks, I block the poster.

Per my earlier question, how many views has the Facebook post gotten? Are there really any eyeballs on the issue.

Do you have any data to support dealers are dropping the line? Can you name a store that dropped it?
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You are welcome to ignore the message - regardless of its validity as the Mike L supporter you are - when it doesn't meet your tone requirements. You clearly missed the two "LOL's" in that post.

The stats on my FB page (where I have posted it) so far December are at 344,538 views. Don't forget the numerous threads and posts started on WBF that have been deleted, and the videos by others on YouTube discussing this.

Seeing as this is the biggest topic being discussed by virtually everyone in the industry right now globally (I've received 17 calls and texts on this topic alone this morning already) it's very clear the attention this is getting.

The feedback and details people are sharing regarding the two shills and how WBF really operates has been fascinating.
 
Michaels HiFi said:
You are welcome to ignore the message - regardless of its validity as the Mike L supporter you are - when it doesn't meet your tone requirements. You clearly missed the two "LOL's" in that post.

The stats on my FB page (where I have posted it) so far December are at 344,538 views. Don't forget the numerous threads and posts started on WBF that have been deleted, and the videos by others on YouTube discussing this.

Seeing as this is the biggest topic being discussed by virtually everyone in the industry right now globally (I've received 17 calls and texts on this topic alone this morning already) it's very clear the attention this is getting.

The feedback and details people are sharing regarding the two shills and how WBF really operates has been fascinating.
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Are you going to pick up the Taiko line. Any press is good press!!!!!
 
Michaels HiFi said:
Ummmmm...you do realize I'm not a dealer, right?
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Your the Greek Audiogeek? Do you get equipment at discounted prices? Maybe you have some bias. Did you ask for a Taiko and they told you no.

I have been told the Taiko backlog issues are almost completely cleared. And the less than stellar subcontractor doing some of the case work replaced. Do you hold a grudge forever. Or will you revisit the brand and do an expose showing they are back on track and moving forward.
 
Kingrex said:
Your the Greek Audiogeek? Do you get equipment at discounted prices? Maybe you have some bias. Did you ask for a Taiko and they told you no.

I have been told the Taiko backlog issues are almost completely cleared. And the less than stellar subcontractor doing some of the case work replaced. Do you hold a grudge forever. Or will you revisit the brand and do an expose showing they are back on track and moving forward.
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When was the last time you beat your wife? Why did you do it repeatedly?

It's such a simplistic way of thinking - that talking about company issues is somehow a "grudge". The thinking in two paradigms such as that is a limiting way to go through life.

Anyone who honestly read the beginning posts understand what this is about. For others, they can make themselves feel better by believing it's somehow a "grudge". I'm still not sure why you think I'm a dealer. I believe that shows a lack of even a most basic understanding of what's being discussed here.

Thank you for confirming the nature of additional issues at Taiko by saying people who paid $60K were receiving "shoddy" quality gear. I certainly know of a few people who received their gear after two years with issues right out of the box.

We understand you're desperately trying to help keep up the charade that Mike L and SW are not professional shills. But it's much too late for that. Their reputation has been cast in stone. ML's has been for awhile, and WBF has been helping cover for him.

You say you want discounted and free gear? Ask your buddy Mike L. He'll be able to hook you up with that and teach you how to sell your soul for discounts/free gear/other perks and then dupe people into thinking you are just a normal consumer.

ML and SW are at least getting something out of their shady actions - what are you getting out of this by defending them?

Literally virtually everyone in the industry is talking about this - globally - and how Mike L operates. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's also interesting to hear what people really think of SW and WBF. Let's just say their appears to be no love lost.

This is like watching an alcoholic: often times the whole world knows the drunk has a problem and the drunk still refuses to admit everyone is on to them. It's easier for them to simply live a lie.

Thanks again for posting on this thread to help keep the truth about ML and SW and how shady WBF is at the tip of the topics. And good job reminding everyone of the issues with Taiko. Well done. :)
 
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Michaels HiFi said:
When was the last time you beat your wife? Why did you do it repeatedly?

It's such a simplistic way of thinking - that talking about company issues is somehow a "grudge". The thinking in two paradigms such as that is a limiting way to go through life.

Anyone who honestly read the beginning posts understand what this is about. For others, they can make themselves feel better by believing it's somehow a "grudge". I'm still not sure why you think I'm a dealer. I believe that shows a lack of even a most basic understanding of what's being discussed here.

Thank you for confirming the nature of additional issues at Taiko by saying people who paid $60K were receiving "shoddy" quality gear. I certainly know of a few people who received their gear after two years with issues right out of the box.

We understand you're desperately trying to help keep up the charade that Mike L and SW are not professional shills. But it's much too late for that. Their reputation has been cast in stone. ML's has been for awhile, and WBF has been helping cover for him.

You say you want discounted and free gear? Ask your buddy Mike L. He'll be able to hook you up with that and teach you how to sell your soul for discounts/free gear/other perks and then dupe people into thinking you are just a normal consumer.

ML and SW are at least getting something out of their shady actions - what are you getting out of this by defending them?

Literally virtually everyone in the industry is talking about this - globally - and how Mike L operates. You can't put the genie back in the bottle. It's also interesting to hear what people really think of SW and WBF. Let's just say their appears to be no lobe lost.

This is like watching an alcoholic: often times the whole world knows the drunk has a problem and the drunk still refuses to admit everyone is on to them. It's easier for them to simply live a lie.

Thanks again for posting on this thread to help keep the truth about ML and SW and how shady WBF is at the tip of the topics. And good job reminding everyone of the issues with Taiko. Well done. :)
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Honestly, your going to be what the industry is talking about. Everyone loves a meltdown.

Your deflecting from my questionon on what brands have given you discounts. Why? And who was it. Any servers that compete with Taiko?

I take what your saying to be, a company that has a tough patch shall never have its name restored. You personally will always hold a grudge and slander such business. Even if its old news, apologized for and the issues corrected. I'm sorry, but that is a type of personality character I view as toxic and bad for the industry as a whole. Be a human. You jumped on a hate rant that has 0 to do with you. You lost your focus and can't get off. Bummer for those, like myself, that go online and are mislead by Greek lies. Is that where the Greeks Bearing Gifts came from? I say lies as the basis of your rant is founded on outdated information and does not pertain to the present.

Last, what does Mike L have to do with anything?????? He has not owned Taiko for years. He was very honest and shared why he moved on. He just completed a very extended home demo of Stellavox and gave his honest assessment. What more could anyone want from a fellow forum member. If you were to model your speak and character more like his, you would appear more professional, less unhinged emotionally and therby more trustworthy in your opinions. You lost me. I have heard from a few others via PM that you lost them too.
 
Kingrex said:
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Honestly, your going to be what the industry is talking about. Everyone loves a meltdown.

Your deflecting from my questionon on what brands have given you discounts. Why? And who was it. Any servers that compete with Taiko?

I take what your saying to be, a company that has a tough patch shall never have its name restored. You personally will always hold a grudge and slander such business. Even if its old news, apologized for and the issues corrected. I'm sorry, but that is a type of personality character I view as toxic and bad for the industry as a whole. Be a human. You jumped on a hate rant that has 0 to do with you. You lost your focus and can't get off. Bummer for those, like myself, that go online and are mislead and Greek lies. As in, they are based on outdated information and do not pertain to the present.

Last, what does Mike L have to do with anything?????? He has not owned Taiko for years. He was very honest and shared why he moved on. He just completed a very extended home demo of Stellavox and gave his honest assessment. What more could anyone want from a fellow forum member. If you were to model your speak and character more like his, you would appear more professional, less unhinged emotionally and therby more trustworthy in your opinions. You lost me. I have heard from a few others via PM that you lost them too.
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Yeah.....um....sure.....

Interesting you haven't once mentioned the customer who first went public with his Taiko nightmare that started all this. I guess that's an inconvenient truth for you that his nightmare was a reality.

People are choosing sides - the scandal-plagued, dishonest, shady manipulators and those just wanting transparency. It's clear for all to see which side you've chosen. You, Mike L and SW all deserve each other.

Yeah - I'm so on the take as I literally say in my videos for people to NOT buy something simply because I like it, to ignore shills, any YouTuber and shady audio forums, and for them to go listen for THEMSELVES and make up their own mind. I even go so far as to say the gear I like and use won't work in most people's system. I guess I'm using reverse psychology on them? LOL

Edited to add: Not that you care as you are too busy trying to cover for your buds the king of shills Mike L and SW (I bet they are coordinating your posts with you rather than posting themselves), however I previously posted videos and posts on my Facebook a while back to be clear and transparent about my channel, my gear and about any potential monetization. I was being transparent before anyone asked for it.

All the while ML and SW were shilling in the dark trying to dupe people and having you cover for them.

Let's see them do the same - and be HONEST about it.
 
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Michaels HiFi said:
Yeah.....um....sure.....

Interesting you haven't once mentioned the customer who first went public with his Taiko nightmare that started all this. I guess that's an inconvenient truth for you that his nightmare was a reality.

People are choosing sides - the scandal-plagued, dishonest, shady manipulators and those just wanting transparency. It's clear for all to see which side you've chosen. You, Mike L and SW all deserve each other.

Yeah - I'm so on the take as I literally say in my videos for people to NOT buy something simply because I like it, to ignore shills, any YouTuber and shady audio forums, and for them to go listen for THEMSELVES and make up their own mind. I even go so far as to say the gear I like and use won't work in most people's system. I guess I'm using reverse psychology on them? LOL

Edited to add: Not that you care as you are too busy trying to cover for your buds the king of shills Mike L and SW (I bet they are coordinating your posts with you rather than posting themselves), however I previously posted videos and posts on my Facebook a while back to be clear and transparent about my channel, my gear and about any potential monetization. I was being transparent before anyone asked for it.

All the while ML and SW were shilling in the dark trying to dupe people and having you cover for them.

Let's see them do the same - and be HONEST about it.
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In saying there were issues the company had to overcome,
I am acknowledging the OP on WBF had a crap hard road to toil. It must have sucked. And he was right to call out the problems. But I also recognize most business have growing pains. I don't know what if anything was made right for the OP. Or how much the company that sold him the server had to do with it. But I am capable of acknowledging Taiko is doing what they can to meet delivery goals and quality control. Something that alludes your character.

I have never watched your show. I heard of you. I didn't realize who you were at first. I never imagined someone with a show would have a acrid online presence. Othere had to PM me to let me know..

I know nothing about building a social media presence. I hope your only doing what you need to do to get subscribers and earn a paycheck. It would suck to walk around with such darkness in ones heart.
 
Kingrex said:
In saying there were issues the company had to overcome,
I am acknowledging the OP on WBF had a crap hard road to toil. It must have sucked. And he was right to call out the problems. But I also recognize most business have growing pains. I don't know what if anything was made right for the OP. Or how much the company that sold him the server had to do with it. But I am capable of acknowledging Taiko is doing what they can to meet delivery goals and quality control. Something that alludes your character.

I have never watched your show. I heard of you. I didn't realize who you were at first. I never imagined someone with a show would have a acrid online presence. Othere had to PM me to let me know..

I know nothing about building a social media presence. I hope your only doing what you need to do to get subscribers and earn a paycheck. It would suck to walk around with such darkness in ones heart.
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Thanks Rex. Have a great night. Hope the weather's not too cold out there in Seattle.
 
Kingrex said:
In saying there were issues the company had to overcome,
I am acknowledging the OP on WBF had a crap hard road to toil. It must have sucked. And he was right to call out the problems. But I also recognize most business have growing pains. I don't know what if anything was made right for the OP. Or how much the company that sold him the server had to do with it. But I am capable of acknowledging Taiko is doing what they can to meet delivery goals and quality control. Something that alludes your character.

I have never watched your show. I heard of you. I didn't realize who you were at first. I never imagined someone with a show would have a acrid online presence. Othere had to PM me to let me know..

I know nothing about building a social media presence. I hope your only doing what you need to do to get subscribers and earn a paycheck. It would suck to walk around with such darkness in ones heart.
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Rex, both here and elsewhere where you are active on forums, I always appreciate your constructive and interesting contributions. I also appreciate the questions you pose and balanced comments you provide, all very reasonable and rational.

I seek shelter in this hobby which is meant to be fun and come to these forums to escape the manufactured and extraneous drama of the world. And yet occasionally and unfortunately we find a minority of people trying to carry the manufactured drama into these forums as well. There is a book titled, "Let Them", which essentially suggests ignoring those that cannot help themselves, and generally, lack any sense of self awareness. I think is applicable here as well.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience.
 
Bamalam said:
Rex, both here and elsewhere where you are active on forums, I always appreciate your constructive and interesting contributions. I also appreciate the questions you pose and balanced comments you provide, all very reasonable and rational.

I seek shelter in this hobby which is meant to be fun and come to these forums to escape the manufactured and extraneous drama of the world. And yet occasionally and unfortunately we find a minority of people trying to carry the manufactured drama into these forums as well. There is a book titled, "Let Them", which essentially suggests ignoring those that cannot help themselves, and generally, lack any sense of self awareness. I think is applicable here as well.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience.
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Thanks, that means a lot. I myself and very emotional and get caught up in the drama too much myself. I let my feeling come through in my writing all to often. I try every day to keep it clean. But I fall off the wagon at times.
Sometimes the drama gets too close to home. I was bummed when Bob lost his whole room thread on WBF. We got on the phone and talked about it. Bob is a good guy. I made a short post that was not inflammatory. It was removed.

I will look up your book. Some friend and I were just talking about what were reading. My latest is Seeds by Thor Hanson.
 
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