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Kt77
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Doug,
How true on all counts, yet I'll be one of those gathered up in this darken room in someone's basement reminded of glory days gone by, but in reality as I see it, at least it will bring us together as a collective whole - as we once where back in the good olde days, when there was only about 7 channels of the Television ( and you being from Michigan, knew they were channel 2 - 4 - 7 - 9 - 20 - 50 and 56 ) but at least parents and their children shared these moments together - laughing and building fond memories as a unit, whereas these days, parents and their children " hide in separate " spaces throughout the home as if they don't have time to even sit down to have a decent meal or conversation together - key word here being " Together ".
Tube users are in fact a smaller percentage of what I see as ones in the know!, and being part of the extended family here, to me........., just feels right, as if I've been lost for some many years, but finally found a place where I can relax and put my feet up and feel part of something real, there's a vibe here that's seems rewarding in itself, and I like it.
Byron ( Sippers......on ) Thank you for mentioning this wonderful place to me months ago, it feels like home.
Here's wishing all of you a very productive life and years of enjoying that Orange/Blue Glow in the Dark!.
scar
Kt77
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Thanks Mike,
I'm trying to share a little bit of insight on matters to which I find inviting to the table, as I was told by my three tube mentors - when it comes to knowing your tubes
" Knowledge is power ".
And these are the only guys I know whom own $400.000 systems and have collections of say 6.000 pairs of tubes each, so when they spoke.........., I pair attention, and guess what?, they knew what the hell they were talking about, while some would've us believe that Amperex - Mullard and Telefunken's are the only three brands worthy of pursuit to which I know is total BS, as I've heard/seen the light, and these were by stepping stones for the real ones, very few are aware of, such is the power of being open-minded enough to seek out the truth.
Regards,
scar
I'm trying to share a little bit of insight on matters to which I find inviting to the table, as I was told by my three tube mentors - when it comes to knowing your tubes
" Knowledge is power ".
And these are the only guys I know whom own $400.000 systems and have collections of say 6.000 pairs of tubes each, so when they spoke.........., I pair attention, and guess what?, they knew what the hell they were talking about, while some would've us believe that Amperex - Mullard and Telefunken's are the only three brands worthy of pursuit to which I know is total BS, as I've heard/seen the light, and these were by stepping stones for the real ones, very few are aware of, such is the power of being open-minded enough to seek out the truth.
Regards,
scar
Kt77
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Mike,
you've mail.
you've mail.
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scar, please feel free to add all & any information you have on tubes, for that is the very reason I started this thread. For someone who has very limited experience with rolling tubes, the thought is quite daunting, to say the least, with the determination of finding a tube amp but not knowing where to hit the ground running
Kt77
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Hi Kev,
I can be reached directly at
[email protected]
As there are something's that aren't meant to be shared where any/everyone can read it, as the supplies are dying up with each passing day, I fear that if I spoke to loudly........, that would in fact make them even harder for me to source.
I share provide a list that stays between us, at said time upon receiving your email.
And, I've enjoyed writing again, I guess it's about the vibe, and feeling as if I can actually speak my truth, without having to look over my shoulders as not to offend others, but I can only speak on matters as I see/believe/hear them to be - no need for lies here, only truth and growth, and a willingness to share with those of like minds.
CDLehner
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Man...is that the truth, when it comes to glass. One of the reasons, I shy away from NOS; is I don't know what the hell I'm buying! :blush:
I mean seriously; every once in a while, I wander back to Brent Jessee's...and my head starts to spin.
To look at them...I can't tell the 4-figure NOS, from the cheap crap. Correction; the expensive, NOS stuff...usually looks like sh*t, lol. And then there's the re-branding. I mean, what's to stop a guy from saying "these are 1950s Mullards; made at some famous factory. They're just branded, Acme Tubes"
No; IMO, tubes are definitely, the most mysterious and exotic...of the audio arts. Maybe that's the allure; there's nothing an audiophile loves more...than to be in the know.
Trying to buy NOS on (fleec)eBay...is like walking through an active mine-field.
Chris - that's why you find a few trusted sources and buy from them - and only them. You might pay a pinch more than ebay, but you know what you're getting and you also get great advise.
If you want to dip your toe in the water, PM me and I can refer you to a few trusted folks.
One of my guys is the founder of www.tubemaze.info
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If you want to dip your toe in the water, PM me and I can refer you to a few trusted folks.
One of my guys is the founder of www.tubemaze.info
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Yeah, agreed Mike; but how to you establish that trust...without jumping in first, lol.
Well, just like you said; let someone guide you. :blush:
But IDK; I think I'd rather have (10) $100 sets, than (2) $500 sets. There's the law of diminishing returns to adhere to, you know. Something, 50 years-old...is going have to really blow me away
Well, just like you said; let someone guide you. :blush:
But IDK; I think I'd rather have (10) $100 sets, than (2) $500 sets. There's the law of diminishing returns to adhere to, you know. Something, 50 years-old...is going have to really blow me away
Kt77
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Man...is that the truth, when it comes to glass. One of the reasons, I shy away from NOS; is I don't know what the hell I'm buying! :blush:
I mean seriously; every once in a while, I wander back to Brent Jessee's...and my head starts to spin.
To look at them...I can't tell the 4-figure NOS, from the cheap crap. Correction; the expensive, NOS stuff...usually looks like sh*t, lol. And then there's the re-branding. I mean, what's to stop a guy from saying "these are 1950s Mullards; made at some famous factory. They're just branded, Acme Tubes"
No; IMO, tubes are definitely, the most mysterious and exotic...of the audio arts. Maybe that's the allure; there's nothing an audiophile loves more...than to be in the know.
Trying to buy NOS on (fleec)eBay...is like walking through an active mine-field.
Why CD,
Of course it's the truth dude........, but the thing is studying the internal structure of any given tubes as shown on the tube monger . com site which has an in-depth photo library on said various tubes, afterwards it's just like finding a dealers whom ears and components you like/trust - much like finding a tube vendor or dealer nearby, it's the same with eBay, some tube sellers are in fact selling crap arsed tubes, and don't seriously know what they're selling themselves - but this can lead to some relabeled tubes that just might be worth say $500/pr being obtainable for $20/pr in some cases, I've come across tubes for said price, and later found out they were worth $3.000 per pair, do you think I sold them or kept them?, they're still with me, as I see some of them as investments, much like smarter buyers back between 1968 till about 1982/89 would've held onto all those WE 300Bs!.
The thing is finding sellers whom you can trust, and know what's real or fake?, I'd much rather listen to NOS tubes then have to settle on what's placed into any given tube amp because that's what the builder/designer had lying around, with the exception being of course Shindo Labs which is the only company that I'm aware of that uses NOS as part of its gear initial design concept before hand, because he understands the character of each internal component used during their development and voiced each piece accordingly.
Afterall, all Square - Bent/Angled Square - Horseshoe/U Shaped - Foil - D " Getters " and here it's stops........., Large O " Getters " aren't all the same, and one just has to research deeper into the possibilities, much like in life, it's hit or miss in the women we decide to marry, but something's are refundable/returnable, are they not!.
Buy quality once ( tubes or your bride ) or continue to settle/suffer through it all, not knowing what you've missed. The choices of life, I'd say.
Walk lightly through that mine-field as the rewards in the long term are well worth it.
CDLehner
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Yeah...I won't shy away forever. I would say, to this point; I've dabbled in glass.
Almost always had a tube pre-amp; but it's just my experience...I didn't find, that tube-swapping the smaller tubes, had a HUGE effect.
But I've finally come to the conclusion; I have to have at least some glass in my life.
As I start to explore, IAs, power-amps...and different designs (I've owned a little 6V6-based number, and now the EL84-based Carver...and I think a Decware SET, is imminent); I'll open-up, to more "exotic" NOS options.
With a point in the right direction, of course.
Almost always had a tube pre-amp; but it's just my experience...I didn't find, that tube-swapping the smaller tubes, had a HUGE effect.
But I've finally come to the conclusion; I have to have at least some glass in my life.
As I start to explore, IAs, power-amps...and different designs (I've owned a little 6V6-based number, and now the EL84-based Carver...and I think a Decware SET, is imminent); I'll open-up, to more "exotic" NOS options.
With a point in the right direction, of course.
Kt77
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Yeah...I won't shy away forever. I would say, to this point; I've dabbled in glass.
Almost always had a tube pre-amp; but it's just my experience...I didn't find, that tube-swapping the smaller tubes, had a HUGE effect.
But I've finally come to the conclusion; I have to have at least some glass in my life.
As I start to explore, IAs, power-amps...and different designs (I've owned a little 6V6-based number, and now the EL84-based Carver...and I think a Decware SET, is imminent); I'll open-up, to more "exotic" NOS options.
With a point in the right direction, of course.
CD,
I'm forced to ask you one question, as you've stated you've never heard preamp/signal tubes to have a huge impact in your preamp(s), would said preamp be resolving enough to pick up the differences?, as this is the vital area where better sounding/built/quieter tubes pass everything downstream.
I enjoy knowing that if I'm going to spend upward of $500 - $700 for a pair of tubes, they've to at least give me some sort of longevity - which to my mind is Telefunken tubes claim to fame, one can purchase a used pair within 50% of its lifespan and still get another 9 - 16 years out of it depending upon average usage?, it's very rare that any of us are likely to find NOS Power Tubes in Mint/NM or unwrapped packages, and as much as I love using EL34s/KT77s and EL84s from the likes of companies like Genalex/GEC/Osram/Marconi or even ones made prior to 1962/64 at the latest from the likes of Amperex/Philips or Mullard, it's highly unlikely to come across ones that aren't used for still great sums of cash.
But, let's put this to the test shall we?, have you even heard of or have listened to EL84s from companies like NEC ( Nippon Electric Company - Tokyo Japan ) or Toshiba Japan?, or Telam/Polam/Polamp out of Poland?, Tungsram from Hungary and seriously set there and compared them to the rarer and more sought after ones by Amperex or Mullard, because if you've you'd know these are some of the best sounding ones made to date, and here I'm talking sonically within spitting distance of the more costlier versions, but if we talking long life as well as rugged, then we're talking Siemens E84Ls, period.
And I'm sold on the sound I'm listening to of late through a British made EL34 Integrated Amp, that has caused me to put aside my once beloved/cherished preferences towards amps using KT77s/EL34s - 807s - 300B/845s because to my senses it offers a more linear sound with better handing of the entire frequency spectrum top to bottom and has a more direct sound that speaks to me in regards to purity, as well as honesty.
I've provided a few clues on which brands to seek out, but know that a few of them are going to be harder to source, because those in the know!, have all but wiped them out, but try the Telam EL84s ( Warsaw, Poland ) and by all means.........., please let me know what you hear.
The quest begins here............, are you up for it?, well - happy hunting then.
CDLehner
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KT77; you know...after thinking about your question. I realize...I probably haven't given swapping, a fair shake.
Probably the 3 "best" pre-amps I've owned, are (in no particular order): Belles A21 (w/Auricaps), VTL 2.5, and a C-J ET-3.
The Belles, did take to some RCA Cleaptops I tried; they brought out, some top-end sparkle I was looking for. And conversely...some Mullards, did warm and flesh-out things with the VTL. The C-J, was really "refined"...but a little too laid-back, for my tastes; so I tried to jazz it up with some different glass...and I think that's where I fell somewhat short.
I also had a PrimaLuna ProLogue Premium pre-amp (PPPP). It was probably, the tubiest...of all the units I've tried (a pair of drivers and a rectifier, per channel). It was a little too rich, for my tastes; but I bet it would have really responded to rolling.
So...maybe I misspoke. I guess really what it is...is I haven't been very daring. :blush:
No...I haven't tried, or even heard of; most of those brands you mention. I've stuck pretty mainstream, to this point; (new production) Genelex, Mullard, Tung-Sol, JJ, RCA...some JAN, etc. You mentioned Tungsram; these are kind of, at the top of my try-list...for the Carver VTA-20S Tungsram 6BQ5 / EL84 - Upscale Audio (they offer a re-branded model, for $20 less per bottle too). Thoughts? (and I haven't ignored your recommended link; thanks
The only reason, I haven't pulled the trigger...for some new glass; is the Carver, sweet as it is...might not be a perfect match, for my Omega A8s. If I get a Decware...then I have to focus on EL-34s :bonkers:
Not to mention...I do have a PrimaLuna ProLogue Five; that might share duty, with the ARC 300.2...in my main rig. If it does...well; that unit can take just about ANYTHING! EL-34s, KT77, 6550s, 120s. Talk about going nutz!
Probably the 3 "best" pre-amps I've owned, are (in no particular order): Belles A21 (w/Auricaps), VTL 2.5, and a C-J ET-3.
The Belles, did take to some RCA Cleaptops I tried; they brought out, some top-end sparkle I was looking for. And conversely...some Mullards, did warm and flesh-out things with the VTL. The C-J, was really "refined"...but a little too laid-back, for my tastes; so I tried to jazz it up with some different glass...and I think that's where I fell somewhat short.
I also had a PrimaLuna ProLogue Premium pre-amp (PPPP). It was probably, the tubiest...of all the units I've tried (a pair of drivers and a rectifier, per channel). It was a little too rich, for my tastes; but I bet it would have really responded to rolling.
So...maybe I misspoke. I guess really what it is...is I haven't been very daring. :blush:
No...I haven't tried, or even heard of; most of those brands you mention. I've stuck pretty mainstream, to this point; (new production) Genelex, Mullard, Tung-Sol, JJ, RCA...some JAN, etc. You mentioned Tungsram; these are kind of, at the top of my try-list...for the Carver VTA-20S Tungsram 6BQ5 / EL84 - Upscale Audio (they offer a re-branded model, for $20 less per bottle too). Thoughts? (and I haven't ignored your recommended link; thanks
The only reason, I haven't pulled the trigger...for some new glass; is the Carver, sweet as it is...might not be a perfect match, for my Omega A8s. If I get a Decware...then I have to focus on EL-34s :bonkers:
Not to mention...I do have a PrimaLuna ProLogue Five; that might share duty, with the ARC 300.2...in my main rig. If it does...well; that unit can take just about ANYTHING! EL-34s, KT77, 6550s, 120s. Talk about going nutz!
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Kt77
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KT77; you know...after thinking about your question. I realize...I probably haven't given swapping, a fair shake.
Probably the 3 "best" pre-amps I've owned, are (in no particular order): Belles A21 (w/Auricaps), VTL 2.5, and a C-J ET-3.
The Belles, did take to some RCA Cleaptops I tried; they brought out, some top-end sparkle I was looking for. And conversely...some Mullards, did warm and flesh-out things with the VTL. The C-J, was really "refined"...but a little too laid-back, for my tastes; so I tried to jazz it up with some different glass...and I think that's where I fell somewhat short.
I also had a PrimaLuna ProLogue Premium pre-amp (PPPP). It was probably, the tubiest...of all the units I've tried (a pair of drivers and a rectifier, per channel). It was a little too rich, for my tastes; but I bet it would have really responded to rolling.
So...maybe I misspoke. I guess really what it is...is I haven't been very daring. :blush:
No...I haven't tried, or even heard of; most of those brands you mention. I've stuck pretty mainstream, to this point; (new production) Genelex, Mullard, Tung-Sol, JJ, RCA...some JAN, etc. You mentioned Tungsram; these are kind of, at the top of my try-list...for the Carver VTA-20S Tungsram 6BQ5 / EL84 - Upscale Audio (they offer a re-branded model, for $20 less per bottle too). Thoughts? (and I haven't ignored your recommended link; thanks
The only reason, I haven't pulled the trigger...for some new glass; is the Carver, sweet as it is...might not be a perfect match, for my Omega A8s. If I get a Decware...then I have to focus on EL-34s :bonkers:
Not to mention...I do have a PrimaLuna ProLogue Five; that might share duty, with the ARC 300.2...in my main rig. If it does...well; that unit can take just about ANYTHING! EL-34s, KT77, 6550s, 120s. Talk about going nutz!
CD,
I wasn't trying to imply anything - but sometimes out of fear of seeking into the unknown!, we limit ourselves to the possibilities of not finding the prefect tandem of tubes for our systems, as I'm inclined to believe that the magic comes from finding different combinations of tubes which allow one another finer points to be highlighted while minimizing their weaknesses, hence synergy.
You've owned some very nice pieces of gear, yet by adding as you put it, another flavor of " glass " into the mix, might've gotten you to a point, where you'd have been very content!, it's best to explore all of your options before moving onto something new/different, when in fact you might've had a stella piece to begin with had you been more adventurous, but in the end, you've to know what type of sound you can live with long term!, so you prefer a olde school classic tube sound?, or the more modern approach where it sounds borderline solid state with a fake sense of detailing at the expense of beauty and tonality?.
The new production tubes are of course all Russian made, with the exception of the JJs, yet even these can't touch the NOS Tesla or RFT EL84s is you want a harder hitting sound from your tubes, and while the Genalex - Gold Lion ( re-issues ) in one form or another are extremely musical ( as they create a better match for more currently designed tube gear anyways, because of their greater sense of speed and bandwidth compared to NOS versions ), they're still Russian none the less.
The Tungsram EL84s in your link are actually NOS Made in Hungary tubes, as shown by the certificate as well as looking at their structure, as their tell tale sign were the marks on the the glass itself that looked as it they had been explored to overheating and caused discoloration stains on the glass, as if they were used, used tubes can be spotted cleanly by studying the slight caramel coloration or worse as seen at the very bottom of the glass itself, and generally from the color of the actual pins as they past through the glass lead outs.
Which ever direction you wish to pursue?, I'm willing to assist where I'm able?, as that's all any of us can hope for, is solid recommendation that is. Keep me posted either way, as I'm willing to live up to the challenge of what I know when it comes to tubes, and hopefully without stepping on someone's toes in trying to express my pride of knowledge on this particular matter.
Be thee well,
scar
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Oh come now; I got your drift. You were basically saying "hey CD...were your pre-amps sh*t; or are your ears" :rofl:
J/K; and even if you were...it's all good. Even though I'm your super-mod
I'm a new guy here. It's OK, to get a sense of my tastes and sensibilities. It's like movies: if a co-worker tells me, I really ought to check out a certain flick; but I know his all-time favorite movie, is Deuce Bigalow:European Gigolo. I might not, rush to the local cinema Yes...to this point, I am definitely not in the "golden, fuzzy age...of old tube glory" camp. What I like about tubes...is the weight they bring to the party. I'm sure I read it at 6moons; but I like the way it "puts more meat, on the musical bones"...lol.
Fleshes out the presentation; more 3D...and accentuating of the mids. But...I still want some tight, if not overwhelming bass; and some sparkle on top. You know...perfect balance
That's why, I think a unit...like the PPPP; was a little too ripe, for my tastes...but probably a die-hard tube-lovers dream. In my list of "best" pre-amps...I failed to mention my latest one; the ARC SP-16L. I found the C-J ET-3...to have oodles of "refinement"; but it was too laid-back for my taste. The Belles A21; good balance, and great top-end (I especially recommend RCA clear-tops, for that unit...and I know another Belles user, though he has a VT-01; who likes Siemens and RadioTechnique, for the same reason).
My 2 favorite pre-amps, because they offered the balance I was looking for; tube weight and 3D presentation...good bass, some sparkle, etc. Were the VTL 2.5...and this SP-16L. While I sort out kit, speakers, etc; I've forgone a pre-amp, for the time being. I'm just using my Oppo HA-1, as DAC and volume attenuation (and it actually does a decent job, in that regard). But past experiments, have always had me preferring a good, dedicated tube pre-amp.
I really like ARC kit. Another, very balanced...very good performer to me; was the ARC VSi-55 I tried (with winged 6550Cs). So...I'm thinking, of settling-down with ARC
KT77...do you have any experiences/thoughts, on ARC tube kit? I have my eye, on an LS-27 next.
Kt77
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Oh come now; I got your drift. You were basically saying "hey CD...were your pre-amps sh*t; or are your ears" :rofl:
J/K; and even if you were...it's all good. Even though I'm your super-mod
Yes...to this point, I am definitely not in the "golden, fuzzy age...of old tube glory" camp. What I like about tubes...is the weight they bring to the party. I'm sure I read it at 6moons; but I like the way it "puts more meat, on the musical bones"...lol.
Fleshes out the presentation; more 3D...and accentuating of the mids. But...I still want some tight, if not overwhelming bass; and some sparkle on top. You know...perfect balance
That's why, I think a unit...like the PPPP; was a little too ripe, for my tastes...but probably a die-hard tube-lovers dream. In my list of "best" pre-amps...I failed to mention my latest one; the ARC SP-16L. I found the C-J ET-3...to have oodles of "refinement"; but it was too laid-back for my taste. The Belles A21; good balance, and great top-end (I especially recommend RCA clear-tops, for that unit...and I know another Belles user, though he has a VT-01; who likes Siemens and RadioTechnique, for the same reason).
My 2 favorite pre-amps, because they offered the balance I was looking for; tube weight and 3D presentation...good bass, some sparkle, etc. Were the VTL 2.5...and this SP-16L. While I sort out kit, speakers, etc; I've forgone a pre-amp, for the time being. I'm just using my Oppo HA-1, as DAC and volume attenuation (and it actually does a decent job, in that regard). But past experiments, have always had me preferring a good, dedicated tube pre-amp.
I really like ARC kit. Another, very balanced...very good performer to me; was the ARC VSi-55 I tried (with winged 6550Cs). So...I'm thinking, of settling-down with ARC
KT77...do you have any experiences/thoughts, on ARC tube kit? I have my eye, on an LS-27 next.
Good morning CD,
Im sorry for the late response, had an early night kicking it with the wifey. But dude I'd never talk about someone else's choice unless one was to question mine first, then I jump into the defense mode, trying to explain what/why I like the type of sound I do. And in my years of travel, as I tend to pack things up and get across the country to hear many components some can only read about ( well those days are behind me ) but it gave me an understanding of where we once were in regards to quality of sound and realizability as far as Hi-Fi goes, and we took a wrong turn sonically around 1997, when our tube designs started trying to hard to become impactful - as if said designers were pursuing more of a solid state type signature at the expense of tonality and/timbre, which to my senses has always been the finer logic of tube ownership or what added that little bit of human element into the mix as I like to put it.
You've had 3 very nice preamps from what I've heard in the past, so once again, no knocks there whatsoever - I just believe with separates it's more of a task to find the prefect preamp that matches up to ones ideal power amp because of so many variables like impedance mixed/matching and so on, which is why I'm an Integrated sort of guy, by choice I might add, more of a synergistically approached concept on my part - but just as valid if one was to taking into account the arrival of a lot of super Integrated's since around 2000, so merely like simplicity for the sake of being able to invest in say one nice $1.400 - $2.500 IC or $1.600 on a single AC Cord, or in my case a nice set of $700 - $1.800 Isolation Feet, because it only needs to be done once instead of with multiple boxes.
And I feel you about the part about - tubes putting more meat on the bones if you will, it's more about adding a certain something more purposeful at the upper and midrange areas that tend to move us all, or should I say those us us whom can appreciate tubes for what they are/bring!, in each one of your cases with preamps was merely misunderstanding their overall character - and then addressing means to enhance them from the other end, as in the right selection of tubes, and isolation devices and that all important mixture of cables and power cord(s) which would alter their sound enough to voice it in a matter that best suits your preferences or mindset of what sound appeals to your senses, and not that of a friend/peer whom just might hear differently, and would then try to tell you what is is they'd rather hear, and sidetrack you - no............, ones system is much like ones way of life, we each live it, but some live it better, while some tend to become complacent, and merely settle.
That's why those that know me, know I see my selection of components as
" Mi-Fi "
And that'll never chance regardless if one understand what I've built foundation wise in regards to a wholistic approach or not?, it's what I hear in my home that matters most to me. But I'm getting swayed from the topic at hand.........., so allow me to catch my breathe, and finish up as briefly as I can ( hard task in itself )but I've been listening to many ARC kits as you've put it since 1980, as we have one primary shop here that has carried them and Maggie's as his bread and butter lines since then here in Michigan - the shop is called Audio Dimensions and the owners name is Harry Francis, so in retrospect - I know what type of sound you like, and know that you'd love said LS - 27, I mean what's not to like?, it limits you to one choice of tubes, which are the Russian super 6H30P, which are very linear to my sensibilities and aren't rose tinted in the least, but when it comes to ARC kit........., it's about the cable selection just as much as anything else, and over the years Harry has stayed true to one cabling line..........., Kimber and with great reason, it's sells extremely well with his/these products - and even though so may feel differently?, I believe it's because these cables are extremely neutral in the sense that they form a certain synergy between said products like ARC/Maggie's that should be heard to be understood, just maybe he's onto something?, I'd say he is..............., going by his customer base, he's still around, while about 14 different audio salons I once frequent have all closed their doors, so for him to still be around after 34 years, tells me, he's doing something right, and has a very strong and loyal clientele.
But please don't rule out a CAT SL-1 ( whichever model these days? ) or First Sound Presence Audio MK III LS - 1 Deluxe ( again, whichever model you can swing ) based Preamps, as these remain to this very day, some of the best fidelity I've encounter bar none - but then again, I love going against the grain.
Read between the lines:
6moons audio reviews: FirstSound Presence Deluxe MkIII
Be well,
scar
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Nice post! Let me comment, on a few points...
First of all...as you get to know me, and my posting style; you'll see, I'm not above busting some nutz. It's always in good fun...and if you see a smiley, wink, tongue-out, etc; you'll know, I'm just fcuking around (IOW...I know you weren't really giving me crap, about my choices)
Second...I am complete agreement with you; in regards to two things you've said here. A...I also, am a big believer; in impedance mismatch...getting in the way, of the best SQ. It confounds me, how sometimes...even pieces of kit, from the same manufacture; are mismatched together. B...your argument, for IAs makes total sense; and I go back and forth...seps and IAs, all the time. Also...I agree; there are some terrific IAs these days!
Great! Time to start saving pennies, lol. Yes, I agree; being limited...just to the 6H30P, is something to take into consideration. But word is...it is a super-tube, so...
If I got myself into a situation...where I couldn't tube-roll much, with like an LS-27 in the Main rig; I'd just make sure...to keep a tube-roller's delight of an IA, somewhere in the house. Got to get that glass fix somehow
And I've had good results with Kimber as well. I like Kimber...Analysis Plus, Zen Acoustics, and The Chord Co.
I love it!
Uhh; TMI...and don't make me have to warn you again. :notreally:
For the record...no man, should ever apologize to another man; for gettin' some
First of all...as you get to know me, and my posting style; you'll see, I'm not above busting some nutz. It's always in good fun...and if you see a smiley, wink, tongue-out, etc; you'll know, I'm just fcuking around (IOW...I know you weren't really giving me crap, about my choices)
Second...I am complete agreement with you; in regards to two things you've said here. A...I also, am a big believer; in impedance mismatch...getting in the way, of the best SQ. It confounds me, how sometimes...even pieces of kit, from the same manufacture; are mismatched together. B...your argument, for IAs makes total sense; and I go back and forth...seps and IAs, all the time. Also...I agree; there are some terrific IAs these days!
Great! Time to start saving pennies, lol. Yes, I agree; being limited...just to the 6H30P, is something to take into consideration. But word is...it is a super-tube, so...
If I got myself into a situation...where I couldn't tube-roll much, with like an LS-27 in the Main rig; I'd just make sure...to keep a tube-roller's delight of an IA, somewhere in the house. Got to get that glass fix somehow
And I've had good results with Kimber as well. I like Kimber...Analysis Plus, Zen Acoustics, and The Chord Co.
I love it!
Uhh; TMI...and don't make me have to warn you again. :notreally:
For the record...no man, should ever apologize to another man; for gettin' some
Kt77
New member
Nice post! Let me comment, on a few points...
First of all...as you get to know me, and my posting style; you'll see, I'm not above busting some nutz. It's always in good fun...and if you see a smiley, wink, tongue-out, etc; you'll know, I'm just fcuking around (IOW...I know you weren't really giving me crap, about my choices)
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CD,
As is my way, I tend to go back through any bodies various post to get a feel for them, as I'm old school enough to stick to my guns, some people I like/respect, and some I try to avoid all together, but as I'm doing this from an iPad until I can get another MacBook, I'm unable to insert the icons for humor myself - but I can say this right off the bat - Super Mod, and all......, you've a great vibe about yourself, and that's why I see you as someone whom I'd share bread with.
Second...I am complete agreement with you; in regards to two things you've said here. A...I also, am a big believer; in impedance mismatch...getting in the way, of the best SQ. It confounds me, how sometimes...even pieces of kit, from the same manufacture; are mismatched together. B...your argument, for IAs makes total sense; and I go back and forth...seps and IAs, all the time. Also...I agree; there are some terrific IAs these days!
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In the end it should always be about SQ, as well as simplicity, and in said sense IAs, just float my boat in knowing they're optimized to function collectively - you'll never see/hear me say otherwise, though some may differ?, it's about freedom of choice, is it not?.
Great! Time to start saving pennies, lol. Yes, I agree; being limited...just to the 6H30P, is something to take into consideration. But word is...it is a super-tube, so...
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Super - Tube, indeed, and Russian tubes have always had several qualities in their favor, they're rugged, and are more often then not very linear and quiet to boot, so saving those pennies buy you a certain trait which allows you to enough something as it was intended to be heard, for its purity.
If I got myself into a situation...where I couldn't tube-roll much, with like an LS-27 in the Main rig; I'd just make sure...to keep a tube-roller's delight of an IA, somewhere in the house. Got to get that glass fix somehow
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If glass isn't somewhere in ones system!, then nor is musicality, but I'd be wrong?..........., but I tend to believe otherwise - it has to have tubes/glass, otherwise why invest more then $1.000 on ones system?. And I don't want the solid state guys taking this tte wrong way, but have you seriously taken the time to know the differences between natural or artificially reproduced music?, hard rockers, need not apply.
And I've had good results with Kimber as well. I like Kimber...Analysis Plus, Zen Acoustics, and The Chord Co.
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I've owned/loved Kimber since 1998/2001 - Chord Company since my Ex-LinnNaim days 1982/2012 - Acoustic Zen from 2002/13, never had the chance to even audition AP, and am riding out Cable Research Labs until the Creator calls me home, so in essence it's about what once again ties one sound/system together that counts, as the system is made or broken here, cables do count, as does everything else placed into/around ones system, but I'm adventurous enough to hear what each/every sort of little tweak brings, and can hear what each does or doesn't?, it's about trusting in ones ears and emotions to guide then onto the correct path for " them ", others be darned.
I love it!
Uhh; TMI...and don't make me have to warn you again. :notreally:
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I meant like in actually having time to sit down and enjoy some deep conversation.
For the record...no man, should ever apologize to another man; for gettin' some
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Amen.