2019 Aston Martin Vantage

[Elberoth]

Oh come on. The oil change at the dealership for my 2017 Cayenne e-Hybrid was (7)quarts X Mobil 1 @ 9.10 = $63.70. The filter @ $27.28. The labor $145. Total $235.98. They do have to remove the under-try which drives the labor cost up a bit.

I was talking transmission oil, not engine oil. Feel free to check at your Porsche stealer

 

[a.wayne]

All problematic engines are those specific to Porsche:

- flat six in the 911 / Boxter / Cayman
- V8 in Panamera / Cayenne / Macan

Audi sourced engines ... just work. Which is not surprising, with the number of cars in the field (VAG has deployed them in across all their brands, from VW, Audi to Skoda), VAG had the time and car numbers needed to perfect them.

I had Audi A4 B6, S5 B8 and Q5. I did over 100.000 miles in my (modded!) 2002 Audi A4 1.8T B6 and another 100.000 in 2010 Audi Q5 2.0 TDI (chipped!) and had almost zero problems with each car (I had coilpacks recalled on my A4 and a swinarm replaced on my Q5). My 2010 S5 has only 30.000 miles and of course - zero problems.

Many of my friends running Audis share my experience.

I also had 2001 Merc C-Class and 2004 Merc E-Class. I my wife did over 120.000 with each and those were a nightmare. Many electrical problems and they rusted like a FIAT from the 80s! Never ever a Merc again.

All cars I've bought were brand new.

It's different here , no such issues with Porsche ( more experience with these, models type ,etc, than you audio shows ) flat 6 , many with VAG product , mostly non mechanical issues, all electric and broken plastic bits , this has been my experience and yes no more merc here for me so we agree on that ...

Regards..

 

[a.wayne]

here is the reality of it from a car business perspective.

based on decades of painful experience, I won't allow my Used Car department to sell an Audi or VW out of warranty. we don't have long enough extension cords and when you do fix them they don't stay fixed (can't make customers happy).

average repair order (non oil change) in my Honda dealership is about $170. it's over $600 at the VW dealership up the street. and the customer expectations are totally different (Honda customers expect perfect)...…but got to hand it to VW their customers are somehow loyal. and the cars are relatively fun to drive.

Yep , dont get caught out of warranty ....

 

[a.wayne]

I will tell you thing I can't stand about some of these places. I can't stand that you have to first speak to "service representative", wait in their coffee room until he/she is finished with others, then have to sit while he/she makes small talk, writes down all the stuff on the sheets to finally hand over the keys. One of the things I loved about my Shelby was I drove the thing to Ford, just handed over the keys and was gone.

I had so many nightmares with the "free service" with my M3 with BMW I said never again. Rodney was my service guy. Before I could drop the car off I had to see Rodney. My left rear light never worked. I would tell him over and over again with each service FIX THE LIGHT. It never got fixed. At the big service at 36K, I waited for Rodney, told him about the rear light for which once again apologized. I picked the car up, drove about 3 miles just before getting on the TPKE and every dummy light in the car came on. I drove it back to the dealer and Rodney was out to lunch and was told very "nicely" by the receptionist you have to WAIT for Rodney. I exploded and the service manager finally came out. Well three weeks later, after they fixed what they broke, I picked up the car and guess what, the real light still didn't work. That was it for me.

BMW is the worse car company in dah world when it comes to warranty and customer service , shhhesh ....

 

[a.wayne]

Another funny thing about Porsche: nowadays, they are mostly built with VW parts. Cayenne has at least 80% of VW parts. When you take the car apart, you will notice VAG/VW/Audi logos everywhere, from electronic modules to simple connectors. Some parts are even Seat branded (which is a budget VAG brand, like a Skoda, only made in Spain).

Anyway, Porsche has their own part # for everything. So if you go to Porsche dealership to buy say a broken parking sensor, they will give you the Porsche part #, not the real VW part #, which is printed on the actual part. When you know the VW part # for the part you need, you can go to the VW dealership and get it from VW for like ... 60% of the cost. And if that part happen to be used in Skoda or Seat, you can get it from there for like 30% of Porsche cost, lol.

Porsche is 911 , Cayman , boxster everything else is VAG dressed up .........

 

[Elberoth]

It's different here , no such issues with Porsche ( more experience with these, models type ,etc, than you audio shows ) flat 6 , many with VAG product , mostly non mechanical issues, all electric and broken plastic bits , this has been my experience and yes no more merc here for me so we agree on that ...

Regards..

Not true. Engine problems on 996/997 models are very common everywhere, including the US. If you haven't heard about the catastrophic engine failure caused by IMS bearing failure, you must have been living under a rock.

Just read the forums. Mean seal leaks, shaft bearing failures, cylinder liner cracks, cylinder scoring, cylinder head cracks, connecting rod bolts failures, oil system inadequacy, engine block casting porosity etc. I could go on and on.

V8s used in Cayenne and Panamera are no better with snapped camshaft adjuster bolts, cylinder scoring and the ongoing transfer box saga.

I have a friend who is a Porsche indy and most of his work are 996/997 engine rebuilds. On the cars that have 40-80k miles and never or rarely have been raced.

 

[KeithR]

Not true. Engine problems on 996/997 models are very common everywhere, including the US. If you haven't heard about the catastrophic engine failure caused by IMS bearing failure, you must have been living under a rock.

You're exaggerating quite a bit. Rear main seal leak was a known issue and recalls were made on my 987 at the time. IMS and bore scoring aren't common at all and the former was only on first year cars iirc and was fixed going forward. Never buy a first year model has always been true of most cars, particularly sports cars. And if you are buying a Porsche (or any sports car) without PPI, that's the buyers' fault not the seller.

That said, I had an Audi S5 for 5 years without a single mechanical issue. Worst maintenance item was ATF w/ filter which costs like 3x normal cost as they have to drop the pan - but still only like $400. I replaced cabin and air filter myself (10 minutes each), did oil change and brake fluids at a reputable place down the street. Never saw an Audi stealer.

I really don't understand paying up for dealership oil changes. I could see doing a 60k service, but before that not much is going on these days with car maintenance.

 

[Elberoth]

KeithR - I wish I was exaggerating. But believe me - I'm a petrolhead. I know at least 20, if not 30, Porsche owners who had multiple Porsche cars in the past, from regular 911s to GT3RS and 9ff 900hp specials. Those problems are real. I know people who work on those cars for a living. This is the first hand info, not same 'urban legend'. And no, not all the problems have been rectified.

 

[a.wayne]

Not true. Engine problems on 996/997 models are very common everywhere, including the US. If you haven't heard about the catastrophic engine failure caused by IMS bearing failure, you must have been living under a rock.

Just read the forums. Mean seal leaks, shaft bearing failures, cylinder liner cracks, cylinder scoring, cylinder head cracks, connecting rod bolts failures, oil system inadequacy, engine block casting porosity etc. I could go on and on.

V8s used in Cayenne and Panamera are no better with snapped camshaft adjuster bolts, cylinder scoring and the ongoing transfer box saga.

I have a friend who is a Porsche indy and most of his work are 996/997 engine rebuilds. On the cars that have 40-80k miles and never or rarely have been raced.

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/company/porsche-jdpower-market-research-2016-customer-satisfaction-top-placed s-12764.html


Ohhh No say it isn't so ...

https://www.google.com/amp/bgr.com/2017/12/22/tesla-vs-porsche-customer-satisfaction-rankings/amp/

Adam are you now with CNN

 

[nicoff]

As a former owner of a 911 (996 model) I can attest that this model was not very reliable. I suffered the rear main seal issue at least twice plus a damaged transmission in addition to that.
That said, my 997 and 991 models were very reliable.

 

[Mike Lavigne]

I've been in the retail automobile business for 43 years. I've appraised cars my whole life every day. I personally purchased a 2016 Porsche 911/991 CS2 PDK and owned it for a couple years. it was the best put together and most perfect automobile I have yet experienced. very technically advanced yet a dream to use and 100% of all the many systems operated perfectly. fit and finish other makes only dream about. you just need to get inside one and look around and realize how perfect a car can be. other 'uber' cars many times are crude in comparison. transmission and brakes were rock solid and never a whimper in any respect. my wife was very comfortable and liked being in the car.

not the sexiest of the supercars, but the best in my book.

there is talking the talk, and walking the walk.

 

[Elberoth]

As a former owner of a 911 (996 model) I can attest that this model was not very reliable. I suffered the rear main seal issue at least twice plus a damaged transmission in addition to that.
That said, my 997 and 991 models were very reliable.

It all depends on the model/engine. In general, 997.2 tend to be more reliable than 997.1.

991 that Mike mentioned is a completely different story.

 

[a.wayne]

Uhhh , Huh ...

The 996 had issues , un porsche like issues, wiessach took a wacking over them, when first exposed to the engine and GT3RSR porsche hierachy did not take to my “ohhh Subaru “ comment

Anyway these 996 issues was sometime ago and mainly resolved , rear seal leaks are not unusual, many marques have / had these issue over the years, mostly due to supplier issues not design woes ( Think Takata ) Original 996 issues were dealt with and today cars serviced over their service life are good used cars.


Regards