2 pc music server

Randy Myers said:
The one thing that makes me wonder or makes me think is when people talk about adding hardware to resolve a digital signal issue. Inline switches that are not actually being used as switches, second PCs running different processes, etc.

Hardware cannot improve a digital signal. After the signal is processed by the player software and sent on from the server the only thing that can be achieved is to minimize the degradation of the signal. People talk about minimizing noise, etc., which I agree is important, but adding more hardware has the potential of, and most usually does, add noise. Therefore, since it cannot actually improve the signal, logic says that adding additional hardware will increase the chance of the signal being degraded.

Therefore, I am definitely in the corner of minimizing additional and in my view unnecessary hardware. This is one of the reasons I serve all my music files from drives in the single machine. The signal literal goes from software playing/process straight to the DAC. No switches, ethernet wiring, extra processing units, etc., etc.
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I agree with what you are saying but the issue is that if your streamer or player is connected to your home internet then everything starting from your router "matters."

I don't look at it as adding things to fix problems. I look at it as adding things to reduce the problems caused by switches and other devices connected to the same subnet.
 
7ryder said:
If your files aren't tagged, then Roon isn't going to find them. I use dBpoweramp to edit tags, artwork, etc. and, after editing the tags, Roon has no problem adding them to the database.
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If you feel like individually tagging files from about 2,000 (maybe more) unofficial concert recordings (each with anywhere from 5-30 files) you are more dedicated than I. At this time I try to tag untagged files as I add them, and in general people who post things like European FM live jazz are better about tagging them than in the past, but either way I have too much untagged music for Roon to be very useful for me.

Of course I use dBPoweramp, often utilizing its ability to batch tag, but that task would still be overwhelming with minimal ROI.
 
rbbert said:
If you feel like individually tagging files from about 2,000 (maybe more) unofficial concert recordings (each with anywhere from 5-30 files) you are more dedicated than I. At this time I try to tag untagged files as I add them, and in general people who post things like European FM live jazz are better about tagging them than in the past, but either way I have too much untagged music for Roon to be very useful for me.

Of course I use dBPoweramp, often utilizing its ability to batch tag, but that task would still be overwhelming with minimal ROI.
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I had the same issue, of course.

I use Tag&Rename which allows one to tag an entire show at once. You can tag "Grateful Dead" for the artist and "1973-11-11" as the album name and everything will show up except the song names, but you know them by heart anyway :roflmao:.
 
Randy Myers said:
The one thing that makes me wonder or makes me think is when people talk about adding hardware to resolve a digital signal issue. Inline switches that are not actually being used as switches, second PCs running different processes, etc.

Hardware cannot improve a digital signal. After the signal is processed by the player software and sent on from the server the only thing that can be achieved is to minimize the degradation of the signal. People talk about minimizing noise, etc., which I agree is important, but adding more hardware has the potential of, and most usually does, add noise. Therefore, since it cannot actually improve the signal, logic says that adding additional hardware will increase the chance of the signal being degraded.

Therefore, I am definitely in the corner of minimizing additional and in my view unnecessary hardware. This is one of the reasons I serve all my music files from drives in the single machine. The signal literal goes from software playing/process straight to the DAC. No switches, ethernet wiring, extra processing units, etc., etc.
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please try a reclocker between your pc and dac, probably it would change your opinion.
 
dminches said:
I agree with what you are saying but the issue is that if your streamer or player is connected to your home internet then everything starting from your router "matters."

I don't look at it as adding things to fix problems. I look at it as adding things to reduce the problems caused by switches and other devices connected to the same subnet.
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I certainly would agree with you about home network equipment... routers, switches, etc. And streaming, now you're counting on the signal going through countless devices... another reason I keep all files to be played internal on my server machine :).
 
dminches said:
I had the same issue, of course.

I use Tag&Rename which allows one to tag an entire show at once. You can tag "Grateful Dead" for the artist and "1973-11-11" as the album name and everything will show up except the song names, but you know them by heart anyway :roflmao:.
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I have done that (dBPoweramp also works for a bunch of files at once) for most of my GD, but it's not as effective for other groups and especially jazz, and classical music tags are often a mess even for official releases. As you know, though, Euphony OS lets one find almost everything as long as it is named (not necessarily tagged)
 
Randy Myers said:
Hehe... I have a reclocker... I recently removed it from my system.
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that surprises me as i had great sucess with it and also every top manufactor of musicservers and all diy freaks are putting a lot of effort into theyr usb card (reclocker). it is a very critical point.
does your pc have any kind of a dedicated usb card already? what reclocker did you try?
 
I have pulled it in and out of the system a few times. I have what I consider one of the best USB re-clockers, a Wyred 4 Sound Recovery. I also picked up an iFi iPower linear power supply for it. It definitely made a big difference with previous DACs, but with the T+A it seems to be much closer. Probably why I go back and forth with it :D.
 
Guys I don’t think It’s cool to trash makers items including a taiko
the point of the thread is about making things work but it’s morphed into who has a bigger one
when someone says they don’t need a linear psu or re clocker of sorts that’s a big red light
I know we each have what we like but some consider a far lessor sound then I do
let me ask you this in a simple way
1- do you upsample on the fly with hq player
2- if you do what hq settings are you using ?
3- can you describe how the reclocker was good and bad ?
4- what other reviews clockers have you tried
5- what dac do you use ?
Lets keep things civil ok simple questions simple answers please
 
I just re-read the entire thread. I did not see a single post trashing anything. One user saying he tried a product and was not thrilled is certainly not trashing the product, even if it is something I believe is a dream product for me :).

This has been a rather civil thread thus far; people giving opinions and describing things they have tried is certainly not uncivil.
 
Randy Myers said:
I really am not a fan of his. I have watched several of his videos and find them not only boring but also riffed with inaccuracies and over bloated ego opinions. I do not consider his opinions very valuable and certainly do not consider him any kind of an authority. Much of what he says is fairly obvious, but also much feels like advertisements.
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What feels for me like advertisements is the marketing of that T+A dac 8 DSD all the time.
 
Alkyogre said:
What feels for me like advertisements is the marketing of that T+A dac 8 DSD all the time.
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There you go... taking a civil thread and turning it.

Marketing T+A makes no sense and is simply a silly statement; I have no affiliation with the company, and oh, by the way, the T+A I own is discontinued... Talking about a product you own is far from marketing it. Every single person in every single thread on every single forum do precisely that. Having a link in your signature to a product and talking about the product you are pushing is indeed marketing. By the way, your boy Hans Beekhuyzen is very much about advertising. He makes money by doing "reviews" of products in his videos.

Your post also sounds very defensive... even showing guilt I would say.

The bottom line, however, is I could give a rat's ass if you or anyone else are marketing a product. However, Audio Shark is very clear in its rules stating that anyone selling or marketing a product must state very clearly that they represent that product. Mike is very gracious to allow folks that are in competition with him to post in his forum. Other audio forums are not so gracious. But I take it very personal when someone takes advantage of Mike's generosity.
 
If he has had that dac this long it’s not how good it is. It’s he likes it and does not look for new ones. Nothing wrong in that. my feelings is don’t compare to others cause of this.
I have gone through many dacs and servers
I’m only trying to get closer to analog. to me analog is correct be it tape or vinyl
and better digital gets is closer
And based on what Randy has it’s not for me.
 
Randy Myers said:
There you go... taking a civil thread and turning it.

Marketing T+A makes no sense and is simply a silly statement; I have no affiliation with the company, and oh, by the way, the T+A I own is discontinued... Talking about a product you own is far from marketing it. Every single person in every single thread on every single forum do precisely that. Having a link in your signature to a product and talking about the product you are pushing is indeed marketing. By the way, your boy Hans Beekhuyzen is very much about advertising. He makes money by doing "reviews" of products in his videos.

Your post also sounds very defensive... even showing guilt I would say.

The bottom line, however, is I could give a rat's ass if you or anyone else are marketing a product. However, Audio Shark is very clear in its rules stating that anyone selling or marketing a product must state very clearly that they represent that product. Mike is very gracious to allow folks that are in competition with him to post in his forum. Other audio forums are not so gracious. But I take it very personal when someone takes advantage of Mike's generosity.
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about that link in my signature: it is not the intention to do marketing here. Due to a VAT issue I cannot ship items abroad, so there will be no competition at all. This shipment issue is the reason I did not translate my site in English.

Back to that pc. There are multiple great ways to stream audio from your network, which I mentioned above. A fast consumer pc with a lot of memory is good for gaming, but not for audio.
 
u-sound said:
randy and his years long love to the dac8 deserves an award from t&a :)
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I really like my T+A, but that certainly does not mean they are the best for everybody, but it is not just me. Pretty much everyone who has tried the T+A DACs absolutely love them (not just the DAC 8 DSD). There are a few on AS also :). They are really great DACs, that simple. They are especially good at DSD. I believe DSD is the most analog sounding digital format.
 
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