Taiko Extreme

I am going to go out on a limb and say the differences are probably very subjective to each persons preferences. At the level of the N30SA and Taiko there is no good/bad or best/worst just different.

EXACTLY.


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It must be difficult, being a seller of Extreme and Aurender and being asked for your opinion on your preferences between Extreme and N30 SA. 😏
 
It must be difficult, being a seller of Extreme and Aurender and being asked for your opinion on your preferences between Extreme and N30 SA. [emoji57]

Yup. They are both great. I think if people want Roon, go Taiko. If they want a dual box plug and play with a closed architecture design, go Aurender. Can’t wait for Taiko’s new software. That allows them total control, like aurender.


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Choices are good; I kinda wish "audiophiles" (in the broad collective, not individual sense) would get away from the notion of "absolutes", or, there is only one "best". Audiophiles are "geeks", so I totally get what drives this sensibility, but, in my professional experience as a technical product developer, having choices are a good thing, because that provides a broader set of product offerings that allows customers to find the specific product offerings that comprise the best *value proposition* for them and best fulfills their specific requirements*. And, here's another key point that I've found many audiophiles often don't understand..different needs/requirements of different folks are equally VALID.

*- A requirement being an unambiguous, measurable, or validatable function, feature, or quality attribute that matters to a specific customer or set of customers.
 
Audiophiles will be audiophiles. Better be glad this is a cordial and civilized forum. Other venues this would have turned into an all out war. :exciting:


Choices are good; I kinda wish "audiophiles" (in the broad collective, not individual sense) would get away from the notion of "absolutes", or, there is only one "best". Audiophiles are "geeks", so I totally get what drives this sensibility, but, in my professional experience as a technical product developer, having choices are a good thing, because that provides a broader set of product offerings that allows customers to find the specific product offerings that comprise the best *value proposition* for them and best fulfills their specific requirements*. And, here's another key point that I've found many audiophiles often don't understand..different needs/requirements of different folks are equally VALID.

*- A requirement being an unambiguous, measurable, or validatable function, feature, or quality attribute that matters to a specific customer or set of customers.
 
Audiophiles will be audiophiles. Better be glad this is a cordial and civilized forum. Other venues this would have turned into an all out war. :exciting:

Ha! Yeah, for sure. 🤣 And...don't even get me started on....photography forums! Can you say "DPReview"? Yikes!

Mike does a great job of fostering community with "decorum and civility". 👍👏
 
Taiko is windows and aurender is linux last I know
i can see why some at first may pic an aurender
It has a display even though we don’t need it
it has a faster decay and this can lead some to think they hear more details
over a Short period of time the taiko is more musical and allows music to be more detailed as the tracks were mastered. aurender will be less details if one has analog
i have made many linux servers there great but like dsp they wore on me.
just my thoughts and I don’t own a taiko nor aurender I can’t afford them lol. but my servers are windows 🪟.
lastly taiko has plenty to change and improve like linux but the vast majority of computers is windows not linux nor apple.
i do wonder why no one builds any apple based servers but on face value they should sound like windows
 
Taiko is windows and aurender is linux last I know
i can see why some at first may pic an aurender
It has a display even though we don’t need it
it has a faster decay and this can lead some to think they hear more details
over a Short period of time the taiko is more musical and allows music to be more detailed as the tracks were mastered. aurender will be less details if one has analog
i have made many linux servers there great but like dsp they wore on me.
just my thoughts and I don’t own a taiko nor aurender I can’t afford them lol. but my servers are windows 🪟.
lastly taiko has plenty to change and improve like linux but the vast majority of computers is windows not linux nor apple.
i do wonder why no one builds any apple based servers but on face value they should sound like windows

The Taiko was definitely not more musical that the Aurrender in my A/B of the two units. The unit sounded very pedestrian and I had flown in specifically to audition the unit.
 
The Taiko was definitely not more musical that the Aurrender in my A/B of the two units. The unit sounded very pedestrian and I had flown in specifically to audition the unit.

Hi Jim,

Did you listen to TAS, Roon or both on the Taiko Extreme?

Thanks,
Ken
 
Ok then clearly it’s your choice and both are great products. tas is a jump over Roon Alone as is tas and the new usb card. this is from owners I have not heard a taiko nor aurender in a home setup.
it’s fine to like one over the other but know many feel as I do.
mike must show all and let them decide
Like class d it can be good but not in my setup for now.
in any given system there is enough variables to sway one either way.
i thank you for posting how you feel.
 
Ok then clearly it’s your choice and both are great products. tas is a jump over Roon Alone as is tas and the new usb card. this is from owners I have not heard a taiko nor aurender in a home setup.
it’s fine to like one over the other but know many feel as I do.
mike must show all and let them decide
Like class d it can be good but not in my setup for now.
in any given system there is enough variables to sway one either way.
i thank you for posting how you feel.

I fully agree that others may prefer the Taiko over the Aurender.

Just to be clear and to add some background. For some time I followed that 9000+ thread on another forum where the Taiko's SQ was highly praised by many posters, and hold opinions I respect. Since neither of my local dealers carries Taiko it would be very difficult to audition one in my set-up, something that I normally do before purchasing a product. Therefore I decided to fly down and give the Taiko a listen.

Remember there were no components common to the ones used for the audition and those in my set-up. Based on that the Taiko could sound very different in my room.

I selected music that I was very familiar with and played track after track. Based on the comments I had read I was expecting great digital and that is not what I was hearing. After close to two hours I asked if we could try the Aurender. I have never been a big proponent of Aurender gear. I have A/B'd a older unit in my set-up but neither the SQ nor the GUI grabbed my attention. If anything I had/have a anti-Aurender bias going in to this comparison. I also much prefer the Roon GUI to that of Aurender.

From "my" perspective it didn't take more than a track or two to appreciate the improvement in SQ. (The other individual who was there can chime in he so desires.) The Aurender was much more listenable. This not what I had expected when I flew down. I must say I was disappointed. (I am guessing Mike was too since he probably lost a sale.)
 
I fully agree that others may prefer the Taiko over the Aurender.

Just to be clear and to add some background. For some time I followed that 9000+ thread on another forum where the Taiko's SQ was highly praised by many posters, and hold opinions I respect. Since neither of my local dealers carries Taiko it would be very difficult to audition one in my set-up, something that I normally do before purchasing a product. Therefore I decided to fly down and give the Taiko a listen.

Remember there were no components common to the ones used for the audition and those in my set-up. Based on that the Taiko could sound very different in my room.

I selected music that I was very familiar with and played track after track. Based on the comments I had read I was expecting great digital and that is not what I was hearing. After close to two hours I asked if we could try the Aurender. I have never been a big proponent of Aurender gear. I have A/B'd a older unit in my set-up but neither the SQ nor the GUI grabbed my attention. If anything I had/have a anti-Aurender bias going in to this comparison. I also much prefer the Roon GUI to that of Aurender.

From "my" perspective it didn't take more than a track or two to appreciate the improvement in SQ. (The other individual who was there can chime in he so desires.) The Aurender was much more listenable. This not what I had expected when I flew down. I must say I was disappointed. (I am guessing Mike was too since he probably lost a sale.)

We’ll have to have you back when the new Taiko software comes out. Really excited about that. Could be a game changer.


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Well, although it seems that XDMS is going to improve the SQ, the testimonials of many Extreme owners, is that even with TAS the sound was already stellar, it is really strange, because from the still-one post what is deduced is not that the Aurender sounded better, it's just that Taiko just wasn't good. This is a bit puzzling to me.
 
Was the Aurender not a consideration after this listening session?

I fully agree that others may prefer the Taiko over the Aurender.

Just to be clear and to add some background. For some time I followed that 9000+ thread on another forum where the Taiko's SQ was highly praised by many posters, and hold opinions I respect. Since neither of my local dealers carries Taiko it would be very difficult to audition one in my set-up, something that I normally do before purchasing a product. Therefore I decided to fly down and give the Taiko a listen.

Remember there were no components common to the ones used for the audition and those in my set-up. Based on that the Taiko could sound very different in my room.

I selected music that I was very familiar with and played track after track. Based on the comments I had read I was expecting great digital and that is not what I was hearing. After close to two hours I asked if we could try the Aurender. I have never been a big proponent of Aurender gear. I have A/B'd a older unit in my set-up but neither the SQ nor the GUI grabbed my attention. If anything I had/have a anti-Aurender bias going in to this comparison. I also much prefer the Roon GUI to that of Aurender.

From "my" perspective it didn't take more than a track or two to appreciate the improvement in SQ. (The other individual who was there can chime in he so desires.) The Aurender was much more listenable. This not what I had expected when I flew down. I must say I was disappointed. (I am guessing Mike was too since he probably lost a sale.)
 
Well, although it seems that XDMS is going to improve the SQ, the testimonials of many Extreme owners, is that even with TAS the sound was already stellar, it is really strange, because from the still-one post what is deduced is not that the Aurender sounded better, it's just that Taiko just wasn't good. This is a bit puzzling to me.

Hi Francisco,

I respectfully disagree. What is deduced is Jim was not impressed with the sound quality of the Taiko Extreme AND the Aurender N30SA sounded appreciably better to him.

Ken
 
One more question lol. as things all were the same
What driver was used on the taiko ?
Asio or wasampi
sorry if this was already posted
 
One more question lol. as things all were the same
What driver was used on the taiko ?
Asio or wasampi
sorry if this was already posted

Whatever driver is for the MSB Select II.


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