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    Shunyata Omega USB



    We replaced a Wireworld Platinum 6 USB Cable today with the Shunyata Omega USB. Sooooo much more organic, smooth and relaxed. Perfectly balanced top to bottom.

    I would like to know the materials used (any silver?). This cable is set to be THE reference USB cable. Holy crap itís good.


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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    If the Omega Ethernet cable is anything to go by, I'm sure it's as amazing as you say.

    With respect to materials used, e.g. silver, I'm sure that the materials used (e.g. for the conductors) play a role, but likely not the whole story. For example, there are other USB cables that utilize silver, but don't do what the Omega USB cable does. So, it's not as simple as using silver in a USB cable. My thought is that it is the entirety of the design: the materials, the individual conductor and overall cable geometries, construction methodology, connectors, and trick Shunyata proprietary technologies, e.g. dual TAP modules, CMode filter functionality, as well as other functionalities, e.g. capabilities that reduce or attenuate clock phase noise and detrimental noise factors e.g. high-source impedance leakage current, all play a role to allow this cable to deliver in the manner it does. This cable is designed as system of functionalities and quality attributes; its not any "one thing" that provides the performance it delivers.

    You said it before, Mike, when referring to the all-Alpha v2 Shunyata loom, that 1+1+1=10, and I'm pretty sure a similar thing is going on here.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Nice. But I'm curious how many people here use USB cables. I've never used them.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    I have my Aurender connected to my dCS Rossini with two digital cables, XLR and USB, normally I use XLR and with DSD files (>64) I use the USB connection.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    @Mike - how does it compare to their Sigma USB cable?
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    hi mike, why no informayion in the website?
    how much is it?

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    I donít believe there is a whole lot of information about it the Omega USB out yet. Iím checking on the MSRP.

    There is no doubt the Omega is a big step up over the Sigma, in every way. Now, the Alpha and Sigma are both used extensively throughout our store. In fact, they are the only USB cables we will use. No other comes close.

    The Omega USB builds on the attributes of the Alpha and Sigma. Itís as close to perfection as Iíve ever heard from any USB cable.


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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    <SNIP> Now, the Alpha and Sigma are both used extensively throughout our store. In fact, they are the only USB cables we will use. No other comes close.
    That's my experience from competitive benchmarking listening evaluations, as well. I used to use AQ Diamond, but the Alpha level completely smokes it....it's not even close, as you say.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    I can answer that. Even though I was mighty impressed with the Sigma v2 USB cable, the Omega is clearly better. I use the MSB Reference DAC with the Pro USB which utilizes a Pro ISL input. I also have the AES/EBU input with word clock connected, so I can go back and forth between inputs. I use the Sigma v2 AES/EBU digital cable for my other input.
    When I first heard the Omega USB I was shocked that there would be that big of a difference comparing with the Sigma v2. I heard more detail and information appear, when I felt none was missing. There were more noticeable micro dynamics that were visceral at low volume levels. Also, I was mesmerized by each song I played so much, that I lost track as to what I was doing. If this is what the Omega line is about, I want more.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    The Shunyata Omega Ethernet Cable (1.5 Meters) is $2,500 MSRP. I wouldnít expect a USB cable of the same length to be much more.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    That's my experience from competitive benchmarking listening evaluations, as well. I used to use AQ Diamond, but the Alpha level completely smokes it....it's not even close, as you say.
    Can you shed some light on how "competitive benchmarking listening evaluations" are conducted?
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Well I have both the Sigma Ethernet and Sigma USB cables. Which should I replace first for the biggest improvement?
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    Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by johnthomas View Post
    Well I have both the Sigma Ethernet and Sigma USB cables. Which should I replace first for the biggest improvement?

    USB


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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    The Omega USB looks impressive.

    Regarding Omega Ethernet I would only add that if you are using an Ethernet cable as an AES/EBU carrier then you might want to prioritize that one.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    I added in the Sigma USB cable and was really impressed. I can't imagine what the Omega does.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Nice. But I'm curious how many people here use USB cables. I've never used them.
    Iíve been working for years to get the USB cable out of my system because I honestly thought they didnít sound very good. USB was never designed to be a high fidelity digital audio connection.

    When I finally succeeded with the MSB Select DAC and Renderer V2 Digital Input Module (their top Digital Input Module at that time), MSB goes and designs the revolutionary new Pro USB Digital Input Module with Pro ISL optical connection to remove all electrical noise off the line.

    This brings me back to square one again with USB. If I go full circle and purchase the Pro USB/Pro ISL, hopefully the Omega USB cable will not be the bottleneck in the sound that the Wireworld Platinum 7 USB Cable was in my last go around with the Esoteric Grandioso K1.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Out of curiosity, what gear requires a USB cable? I have a hard drive directly connected to my Lumin via a USB cable, but I suspect the Shunyata USB wouldnít work for this.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Out of curiosity, what gear requires a USB cable? I have a hard drive directly connected to my Lumin via a USB cable, but I suspect the Shunyata USB wouldnít work for this.
    It is not applicable to your setup, unless you change the X1 output to USB (instead of analog), and connect it to an external USB DAC (such as K-01XD which would also play SACD discs.)
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Lee Scoggins View Post
    I added in the Sigma USB cable and was really impressed. I can't imagine what the Omega does.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    ...When I finally succeeded with the MSB Select DAC and Renderer V2 Digital Input Module (their top Digital Input Module at that time), MSB goes and designs the revolutionary new Pro USB Digital Input Module with Pro ISL optical connection to remove all electrical noise off the line.

    This brings me back to square one again with USB. If I go full circle and purchase the Pro USB/Pro ISL, hopefully the Omega USB cable will not be the bottleneck in the sound that the Wireworld Platinum 7 USB Cable was in my last go around with the Esoteric Grandioso K1.
    my understanding of the MSB pro-ISL / pro-USB input is that it provides for both 100% electrical isolation AND data integrity where the USB signal is subjected to error detection and correction. so, this makes the pro-ISL / pro-USB interface functionally equivalent to optical fiber ethernet input.

    in this case, i cannot see how the choice of USB cable connected to the input side of the pro-USB dongle matters in the least.

    of course, the (subjective) proof of this would be blind A/B testing of a consumer grade USB cable and an audiophile USB cable.

    more info on the MSB pro-ISL / pro-USB input at this link

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    my understanding of the MSB pro-ISL / pro-USB input is that it provides for both 100% electrical isolation AND data integrity where the USB signal is subjected to error detection and correction. so, this makes the pro-ISL / pro-USB interface functionally equivalent to optical fiber ethernet input.

    in this case, i cannot see how the choice of USB cable connected to the input side of the pro-USB dongle matters in the least.

    of course, the (subjective) proof of this would be blind A/B testing of a consumer grade USB cable and an audiophile USB cable.

    more info on the MSB pro-ISL / pro-USB input at this link

    as always, YMMV
    This is a very fair point. If the only difference between USB cables is the quantity and type of noise they let through, then you would be correct. However, I suspect there are other differences that impact the sound quality such as impedance or conductivity of the conductors of the USB cable.

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    This is a very fair point. If the only difference between USB cables is the quantity and type of noise they let through, then you would be correct. However, I suspect there are other differences that impact the sound quality such as impedance of the USB cable.
    an interesting consideration as well. my only question would then be: are any such differences which are electrical in nature material enough impact the error-corrected digital signal being converted to light?

    i suspect not, but can't say that know this for a fact. i suppose it is possible that these differences are large enough to actually alter the digital signal (0s and 1s) after the pro-USB dongle error checks/corrects the incoming signal but before it is converted to light.

    fwiw: i don't get why MSB does not offer an ethernet renderer module that accepts an SFP input transceiver. in this case, users could then use either a copper or fiber SFP transceiver as desired -- one size fits all.
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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Probably a question only His Mikeness can answer from experience: With the new Omegas on Shunyatas Website (USB, S/PDIF) which one is the one to go when planning to upgrade to a N20/N30 this year (currently N100H)? AES is not an Option with my DAC...
    I remember our friend jdandy used an Sigma S/PDIF for his N10 (and a Sigma USB for the N100H). The specs from the N20 read as if the upgraded clocking are specific to the AES & S/PDIF. Then again you probably wouldnít have gone for an Omega USB in the store if S/PDIF would be superior to the USB option I guess...

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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by MusicLover View Post
    Probably a question only His Mikeness can answer from experience: With the new Omegas on Shunyatas Website (USB, S/PDIF) which one is the one to go when planning to upgrade to a N20/N30 this year (currently N100H)? AES is not an Option with my DAC...
    I remember our friend jdandy used an Sigma S/PDIF for his N10 (and a Sigma USB for the N100H). The specs from the N20 read as if the upgraded clocking are specific to the AES & S/PDIF. Then again you probably wouldnít have gone for an Omega USB in the store if S/PDIF would be superior to the USB option I guess...
    Yes, definitely USB. Itís less restrictive to formats too. A lot depends on the DAC as well. But todayís DACís are really optimized for USB.


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    Re: Shunyata Omega USB

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Iíve been working for years to get the USB cable out of my system because I honestly thought they didnít sound very good. USB was never designed to be a high fidelity digital audio connection.

    When I finally succeeded with the MSB Select DAC and Renderer V2 Digital Input Module (their top Digital Input Module at that time), MSB goes and designs the revolutionary new Pro USB Digital Input Module with Pro ISL optical connection to remove all electrical noise off the line.

    This brings me back to square one again with USB. If I go full circle and purchase the Pro USB/Pro ISL, hopefully the Omega USB cable will not be the bottleneck in the sound that the Wireworld Platinum 7 USB Cable was in my last go around with the Esoteric Grandioso K1.

    Ken
    I have also avoided the USB connection for the last couple of years thinking it was inferior to AES/XLR, but recently I tried an old Phasure Lush USB cable (not USB specification compliant) that I had laying around and it sounded great. Can only imagine this has to do with my DAC, the Rossini becomes the "master" clock when using USB. (when using the AES connection, the Aurender uses a better clock, which it is not used with the USB output.)

    So in the end a lot of variables, but through USB the sound is more detailed and open, with AES the sound is a bit smoother, music flows better. It is a nice option to have.
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