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    Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    I have been considering the possibility of upgrading some of my Shunyata stuff but I must confess I am a bit confused when I compare what is shown on the Shunyata site and what I see listed as available on TheCableCo site. I was trying to do some homework in advance before contacting one of the two dealers I would consider working with. (One local , one out of state). That way I would have an idea of what the cost might be. There seems to have been a churning of Shunyata product levels in less than four years since I acquired by bits and pieces of Shunyata product.

    My understanding has been that Shunyata's product range progressed as follows:
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Omega

    Now it appears that it is
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Reference
    Omega (QR/XC only)

    The Cable Company shows v2 versions of
    Alpha XC and NR
    Sigma XC and NR

    yet the Shunyata site shows v1 versions of
    Alpha NR
    Sigma NR

    both at lower MSRP than the v2 at Cable Co.

    There is also a Reference NR/XC v2 not on the Cable Co site.

    Am I wrong or in four years they have;
    Eliminated the Digital and HC
    gone from Original to V1 then V2
    added a Reference and Omega lines. I am confused.

    I am considering possibly some or all of the following that I am currently using.
    Denali to Everest
    Original Alpha HC to Denali to ?
    Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ?
    Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ?
    Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ?

    Power cables to amp, pre amp and turntable will remain.
    Jim

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    Analog: SME 20/3 with Esoteric E-03 Phono
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    You are correct. The XC cables are specifically designed for wall to Denali/Everest. There are three main levels there. The NR cables are three levels again and for used for each component.


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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You are correct. The XC cables are specifically designed for wall to Denali/Everest. There are three main levels there. The NR cables are three levels again and for used for each component.


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    Where do the v1 and v2 fit in?
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Hi Jim, V1 are outgoing and are replaced but the current V2’s. New and Improved with an increase in list price over the V1’s.

    For components that only output digital signals, Caelin has recommended the V14 Digital. At the Vivaldi level, I’m sure the case could be made moving up the Shunyata line would yield better results. Anything outputting analog signal will benefit from an NR (noise reduction) cable. That leaves the cable from the wall to a power distributor which the XC is recommended.

    The current line in ascending order is Venom, Delta, Alpha, Sigma, Omega.

    Best of luck!

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Where do the v1 and v2 fit in?
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Sean, Thanks for the reply. BUT on their site Shunyata has a Reference Line listed under the NR/XC.

    Surprising they have not updated their site with v2.
    Jim

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Where do the v1 and v2 fit in?
    V1 is discontinued.


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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Reference is just the overall name for alpha/sigma/omega. It’s not another cable.


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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Yes, a bit confusing. Shunyata banded together some like-kind products on their site with the recent releases. An example is their Ethernet cords which are listed in a single cable page where you then click the drop down to show the different tiers. But they still follow hierarchy I listed in my previous post. So that “Reference Line” page is how they present the top 3 tiers (Sigma, Alpha, and Delta) that sit under the new Omega.

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Sean, Thanks for the reply. BUT on their site Shunyata has a Reference Line listed under the NR/XC.

    Surprising they have not updated their site with v2.
    Sean

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Reference is just the overall name for alpha/sigma/omega. It’s not another cable.


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    Mike

    That is why their site is confusing. They have a REFERENCE NR / XC Series v2 listed at $3500 on their site. You are indicating that must be the Sigma NR v2.
    Jim

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Mike

    That is why their site is confusing. They have a REFERENCE NR / XC Series v2 listed at $3500 on their site. You are indicating that must be the Sigma NR v2.
    That’s correct. I’ve let them know it’s confusing and we should see an update.

    View Cables By Type - Shunyata Research

    Above IS confusing!


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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That’s correct. I’ve let them know it’s confusing and we should see an update.

    View Cables By Type - Shunyata Research

    Above IS confusing!


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    It appears Referance applies to multiple cables. From the web site on the Referance cable page.

    "For Alpha & Sigma cords there are options for the color theme. The standard color theme is Black Carbon Fiber with Silver Rings.
    For Delta cords there are no color theme options."

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You are correct. The XC cables are specifically designed for wall to Denali/Everest. There are three main levels there. The NR cables are three levels again and for used for each component.


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    There are five levels of NR cables:
    Venom
    Delta
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Omega

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Sean, Thanks for the reply. BUT on their site Shunyata has a Reference Line listed under the NR/XC.

    Surprising they have not updated their site with v2.
    Hey Jim,
    The "Reference line" of cable models are Delta, Alpha, Sigma and Omega, available in both NR or XC version. These PCs are "differentiated" from Venom as they comprise the new "Reference" line of product offerings.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post

    I am considering possibly some or all of the following that I am currently using.
    Denali to Everest
    Original Alpha HC to Denali to ?
    Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ?
    Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ?
    Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ?

    Power cables to amp, pre amp and turntable will remain.
    Hey Jim, here's some info/suggestions for your list above that should be helpful in your considerations:

    Denali to Everest – YES. Denali to Everest is a significant upgrade. Knowing you and your system, I would consider this is a "must-upgrade."

    Depending on your budget, use an Omega XC or Simga XC to power Everest from the wall receptacle.

    Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ? Alpha NRv2 or Sigma NRv2
    Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ? Venom V14D Digital, believe it or not. This cable should be for powering any differences that remain entirely in the digital domain (i.e., no conversion to analog)
    Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ? Also Venom V14D Digital.

    Hope this helps and feel free to reach out via PM if you want to discuss on the phone.

    Cheers, mate.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Yeah, we need to fix it. With all the new cables the filters and algorithms aren’t working correctly. We will wok on it.
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Hi Jim, perfect timing for an upgrade IMHO. The V2's are significantly better cables.

    Not having heard the Everest but understand what people are saying about it and it sounds like a no-brainer when you come from Denali(v1?).

    Sigma HC-> Omega XC/Sigma XC
    Alpha NR (Vivaldi DAC) -> Alpha V2 NR/Sigma V2 NR
    Alpha Digital (dCS Upsampler) -> Alpha V2 NR
    Analysis Plus (dCS clock) -> Alpha V2 NR

    I know I go with higher spec cables on digital gear, but my experience is that digital gear do benefit from higher spec cables...

    All usual disclaimers apply.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Crion View Post
    Alpha Digital (dCS Upsampler) -> Alpha V2 NR
    Analysis Plus (dCS clock) -> Alpha V2 NR

    I know I go with higher spec cables on digital gear, but my experience is that digital gear do benefit from higher spec cables...

    All usual disclaimers apply.
    For DACs yes, but the Venom V14D Digital has a more effective noise filtering capability than the Alpha V2 NR PC for devices that remain completely in the digital domain, e.g. clocks, streamers, network bridges, upsamplers, NAS, etc. While they are both designated as "NR" power cords, the specific NR filtering is different.

    The technology for the Venom V14D Digital came out of product development at Clear Image Scientific, Shunyata's sister company medical imaging.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Yeah, we need to fix it. With all the new cables the filters and algorithms aren’t working correctly. We will wok on it.
    Glad to read that. It's a dogs breakfast. I too can't wrap my head around the product lineup and how it all fits together.
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    There are five levels of NR cables:
    Venom
    Delta
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Omega
    Yes, both Mike and I are aware of the Venom and Delta lines that I hadn't noted. I has assumed since I was already at the (previous) Alpha level that going to one of those levels would not be considered an upgrade. Based on your comments in post #14 my assumption may not have been accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Yes, both Mike and I are aware of the Venom and Delta lines that I hadn't noted. I has assumed since I was already at the (previous) Alpha level that going to one of those levels would not be considered an upgrade. Based on your comments in post #14 my assumption may not have been accurate.
    Hey Jim,
    The new VTX-Ag conductors really raised the level of performance and the NR filters have been revised to sound better.

    As Crion2 mentioned, the performance and sound quality of the new Reference line is significantly higher than the "V1" line, and by at least one "level", so the new Delta NRv2 minimally outperforms above the previous Alpha V1 NR cable, etc., and the new Alpha V2 NR surpasses the performance of Sigma NR "v1".

    And, its a particularly-lovely sounding cable, too. Very detailed but also lyrical, layered and musical. And dead-on neutral.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Glad to read that. It's a dogs breakfast. I too can't wrap my head around the product lineup and how it all fits together.
    The Reference is a logically-organized and straightforward product portfolio. Here is a clear and simple way to think about the Reference line of power cords and distributors.

    DENALI 6000/S v2

    Good Value & Great Sound
    Power: Venom V10 XC
    Components: Venom NRV10 or V12

    Reasonable Price & Outstanding Performance
    Power: Delta XC
    Components: Delta NR
    Upgrade: Alpha NR on amps

    Best Price to Performance (near reference level)
    Power: Alpha XC
    Components: Alpha NR
    Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

    EVEREST 8000

    Best Price to Performance (1/2 SOTA Price)
    Power: Sigma XC
    Components Alpha NR
    Upgrade: Sigma NR on amps

    State of the ART
    Power: Omega XC
    Components: Sigma NR
    Upgrade: Omega QR on amps

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    For DACs yes, but the Venom V14D Digital has a more effective noise filtering capability than the Alpha V2 NR PC for devices that remain completely in the digital domain, e.g. clocks, streamers, network bridges, upsamplers, NAS, etc. While they are both designated as "NR" power cords, the specific NR filtering is different.

    The technology for the Venom V14D Digital came out of product development at Clear Image Scientific, Shunyata's sister company medical imaging.
    I have a single Venom V14D and this is now in place on the device that I use to play 4K discs (an Xbox One S). It does a nice job there and seems like the ideal use case for a power cord like this.

    As far as my other devices that are fully digital, how much does the power supply that powers such devices matter in terms of the power cord selection? Is it the noise from a switching mode power supply of the kind usually found on such digital devices that the V14D primarily goes after?

    I just recently upgraded the power supply on my Uptone EtherRegen switch to a Farad Super3, a super-capacitor linear supply. This brought a significant improvement - maybe just as much as the EtherRegen itself. I have two other Super3s and the Venom V12 NR brought nice improvements to both of them. How much does that matter when deciding which cord is the better choice to use with the Super3 powering my EtherRegen?

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    I think I know where this is going. What I believe has been said earlier was that V14D is the most cost effective and most bang for the buck cable on a SMPS powered digital component.

    When you scale up your digital only system with reference linear PSU's or building out Vivaldi stacks you can immediately notice that digital is getting considerably better. So is the V14D the end all cable for all digital components?

    This is similar to scaling up for an analog component in a revealing digital setup. I understand the V14D circuitry is perfectly tweaked for SMPS and digital noise. But as we scale up our systems with better LPSU's or demanding the best from a component, would that exclude going above the V14D, IMHO that is not the case. Cost effectiveness or value is up to the listener. But I think just going efter the V14D circuitry as the complete answer is too black and white. The reference cables have virtues that many more components enjoy.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Hi Caelin.
    I had thought of acquiring a V14 Digital to power my Melco Server and compare it to the Sigma V1 that I currently use, but I see that it is only made with the USA connector, there is no Schuko option. I am curious about the reason for this.
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Hi Nonesup, if you want a true upgrade on your digital Melco server from a Sigma V1 NR I think you are better served by an Alpha V2 NR.

    A V14D would be a sideways upgrade at best.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    I get it, but I was intrigued by Caelin's statement that if the device is fully digital, it is best to use a Venom 14D. The Venom price is not very high, so I decided to do the check by myself, but I saw that there is no Schuko plug
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Even though I have been a Shunyata fan for years and own many, I too find this constant progression very confusing and impossible to follow. I will enjoy what I've have and wait until I believe there is a compelling reason to move on. Thus, the $20-50K (or more!) I won't spend will remain in my account rather than Caelin's!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    Even though I have been a Shunyata fan for years and own many, I too find this constant progression very confusing and impossible to follow. I will enjoy what I've have and wait until I believe there is a compelling reason to move on. Thus, the $20-50K (or more!) I won't spend will remain in my account rather than Caelin's!
    The progression from earlier Alpha and Sigma cords for analog components could not be more straightforward - with the only caveat being that Alpha is a step up from previous Sigmas this time around. From reports I’ve read, you keeping that money in your account will only be hindering your ability to take a massive step forward.

    The digital side is a bit more confusing just because of the V14D. But we have our ears to allow us to decide. With a budget as large as you mention, you could easily arrange auditions.

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    Let's see, first there were Analog and Digital Alpha and Sigma cables. Then the NR series appears and we are told that the new filters work for both analog and digital components. Now it is said that no, that in digital components better a Venom V14 D that has specialized filters .............. a little confusing all this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    Let's see, first there were Analog and Digital Alpha and Sigma cables. Then the NR series appears and we are told that the new filters work for both analog and digital components. Now it is said that no, that in digital components better a Venom V14 D that has specialized filters .............. a little confusing all this.
    Yes, that needs to be cleared up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyb123 View Post
    The progression from earlier Alpha and Sigma cords for analog components could not be more straightforward - with the only caveat being that Alpha is a step up from previous Sigmas this time around. From reports I’ve read, you keeping that money in your account will only be hindering your ability to take a massive step forward.

    The digital side is a bit more confusing just because of the V14D. But we have our ears to allow us to decide. With a budget as large as you mention, you could easily arrange auditions.
    And no doubt, as soon as I spend the big$ to move up, the next generation will be announced, promising another massive step forward. My current system already provides massive musical enjoyment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    Let's see, first there were Analog and Digital Alpha and Sigma cables. Then the NR series appears and we are told that the new filters work for both analog and digital components. Now it is said that no, that in digital components better a Venom V14 D that has specialized filters .............. a little confusing all this.
    It's actually straightforward. The NR series of power cords are for all components, both analog and digital. They are designed to prevent noise from the internal power supplies of components from coming back out to be distributed throughout the power distribution chain to other components.

    The Venom V14D Digital is also an NR power cord that has been designed for a specific class of devices where the input and output resides entirely in the "digital domain", that is, where no D-A conversion performed. These are devices e.g. streamers, network bridges, routers, switches, NAS, clocks, upsamplers. It's no more "confusing" than recommending the use of clean linear power supplies for these devices rather than SMPS.

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    Yes, it is confusing (for being educated) both Shunyata's argument and his. When the first series was suppressed by the new NR series, nothing was said that the new cables were only for digital devices that also had a analogue part, this new filter was simply said to make a specifically digital filter unnecessary. You cannot say one thing and its opposite and pretend to be right in both, by the way this is written by someone who is a happy owner of Shunyata products and who thinks little by little to change their V1 for V2. Kind regards Puma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MtnHam View Post
    And no doubt, as soon as I spend the big$ to move up, the next generation will be announced, promising another massive step forward. My current system already provides massive musical enjoyment.
    Odd though that you would boast of such a large amount of dollars you won’t spend on these products given that your plan was actually to stay put. I thought it was only confusion about their lineup that was holding you back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    I have been considering the possibility of upgrading some of my Shunyata stuff but I must confess I am a bit confused when I compare what is shown on the Shunyata site and what I see listed as available on TheCableCo site. I was trying to do some homework in advance before contacting one of the two dealers I would consider working with. (One local , one out of state). That way I would have an idea of what the cost might be. There seems to have been a churning of Shunyata product levels in less than four years since I acquired by bits and pieces of Shunyata product.

    My understanding has been that Shunyata's product range progressed as follows:
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Omega

    Now it appears that it is
    Alpha
    Sigma
    Reference
    Omega (QR/XC only)

    The Cable Company shows v2 versions of
    Alpha XC and NR
    Sigma XC and NR

    yet the Shunyata site shows v1 versions of
    Alpha NR
    Sigma NR

    both at lower MSRP than the v2 at Cable Co.

    There is also a Reference NR/XC v2 not on the Cable Co site.

    Am I wrong or in four years they have;
    Eliminated the Digital and HC
    gone from Original to V1 then V2
    added a Reference and Omega lines. I am confused.

    I am considering possibly some or all of the following that I am currently using.
    Denali to Everest
    Original Alpha HC to Denali to ?
    Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ?
    Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ?
    Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ?

    Power cables to amp, pre amp and turntable will remain.
    Thank you, Jim for pointing this out. As I said earlier, it is a mess and we are currently working on the catalog engine and filtering to clean it up. Second the content on the site could be explained in much more clear manner. So, will be working on that also but it may take some time.

    So let me see if can help clear up the types of power cords that we offer and what applications they can used for.
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    One issue that is not helping is that we just released a new generation of power cords. This what is referred to as "v2" cables. The prior generation is the "v1" power cables which consisted of the DELTA NR, ALPHA NR and SIGMA NR. All of the "v1" cable pages are going to be moved to an "archived products" section so that the current catalog is less confusing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    It's actually straightforward. The NR series of power cords are for all components, both analog and digital. They are designed to prevent noise from the internal power supplies of components from coming back out to be distributed throughout the power distribution chain to other components.

    The Venom V14D Digital is also an NR power cord that has been designed for a specific class of devices where the input and output resides entirely in the "digital domain", that is, where no D-A conversion performed. These are devices e.g. streamers, network bridges, routers, switches, NAS, clocks, upsamplers. It's no more "confusing" than recommending the use of clean linear power supplies for these devices rather than SMPS.
    I think that makes perfect sense for medical products where their performance is hindered maybe exclusively by noise. I think many of us have been finding though that our digital products (that perform no D/A conversion) may be just as much or more demanding of superb DTCD performance as our analog products. The idea of using a Venom series cable with such components seems dated to back when we hadn’t yet come to realize that. I think that’s what makes this not so straightforward.

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    The current power cord lineup can be quite confusing simply because there are so many models and some of them have very specific applications. We have several series of cables and also several "types" of cables. For instance we have NR cables that measurably reduce power line noise. And we have a type of power cable we call XC that is designed specifically for power distributors and then we even have a cable that is designed specifically to address computers and accessories that produce a specific type of power line distortion.


    So let me start with a top down look at the cables.

    The power cables can be categorized into 3 major LINES.

    - VENOM LINE
    - REFERENCE LINE
    - OMEGA LINE

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    VENOM LINE [US135 - US$498]
    Venom power cables have several models within this line. Venom Line emphasizes high value, reasonable prices and exceptional performance for the price.

    VENOM V14
    This is our lowest priced power cable. It is unique in that it includes terminations for the mini-connector type products such as some TVs, DVDs and power bricks. These connectors are technically called C5, C7 and C7-polarized.

    VENOM V14 Digital
    This cable is designed specially for computer related devices such as computers, monitors, disk arrays, ethernet switches and any other device that works entirely in the digital domain. That means it is designed for devices that do not accept nor output an analog signal.

    VENOM HC v2
    This is a high current cable which is excellent for power distributors and amplifiers. Its very reasonable price belies its excellent performance. It quite often exceeds the performance of some very pricey competitors. Its forbearer was the Venom-3 which was voted one of the top 30 Audio Bargains in all of audio in TAS.

    Venom V12 NR and VENOM V10 NR
    These two cables are lowest priced cables that include our NR (noise reduction) technology.

    VENOM V10 VX
    This cable is designed specifically for power distributors.

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    REFERENCE LINE [US998 - US$3500]
    Reference power cables ALL use our proprietary VTX-Ag type wire. This wire has a center core of pure silver and surrounding conductor or OFE copper. This hybrid design delivers the sonic advantages of silver with advantages of copper without the negatives of either. All Reference line cables also use our CopperCONN connectors that use pure copper contacts.

    DELTA NR / DELTA XC
    The Delta is the least expensive in the Reference Line at US$998 but still includes the VTX-Ag conductors along with the CopperCONN connectors.

    ALPHA NR / ALPHA XC
    The Alpha is probably the best price to performance value if you are looking for a Reference level power cable.

    SIGMA NR / ALPHA XC
    And the Sigma represents the top of the line in the Reference Line.

    NOTE: the Delta XC, Alpha XC and Sigma XC are all designed specifically for use with our power distributors. Then do not have NR - noise filters built in. Rather they are optimized for DTCD performance since they are feeding a power distributor and all the current for entire system flows through that single power cord.

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    OMEGA LINE [US7000 - US$9000]
    The Omega was designed to explore the limits of what can be accomplished with power cord technology. It is both a design platform and product that represents the ultimate in performance.

    OMEGA QR
    The Omega QR includes our patented QR/BB technology that is used in our top power conditioners along with NR to reduce power line noise. The Omega QR is legitimately a power conditioner within a cable. The Omega QR is ideally used with high power mono-block amplifiers.

    OMEGA XC
    The Omega XC is the ultimate cable to use with our top power conditioners like the Triton v3, Typhon QR and the new Everest 8000.
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    Caelin
    Thank you for taking the time and especially since this was on a weekend to summarize your current product line. On numerous occasions I have commented to your dealers and others how impressed I am by you and your team. Your (you and your team) willingness to answer questions and offer advice via these forums, via PM or e-mail is not the norm with many manufacturers.

    I think I now have a good understanding of your current offerings but I would appreciate if you or one of your team could answer a couple of questions.
    1) I currently using 3 of your power cords circa late 2016. One each Alpha HC, Alpha Digital and Alpha NR. Are these considered v1 or one generation prior?
    2) Assuming I pull the trigger on a upgrade from Denali to Everest with the appropriate XC power cord are either my current Alpha Digital or Alpha NR worth retaining for connection to my dCS DAC, Upsampler or clock? I understand that the DAC would benefit from one of the latest generation NR offerings but i'm not sure about the clock or the Upsampler which only sees a ethernet signal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by still-one View Post
    Caelin
    Thank you for taking the time and especially since this was on a weekend to summarize your current product line. On numerous occasions I have commented to your dealers and others how impressed I am by you and your team. Your (you and your team) willingness to answer questions and offer advice via these forums, via PM or e-mail is not the norm with many manufacturers.
    Thank you Jim, I appreciate that you and others recognize that we really try to be available to our customers and dealers. We take pride in the fact that there is a real person answering the phones and that we have a great customer service person in Richard to help you with your product questions.

    1) I currently using 3 of your power cords circa late 2016. One each Alpha HC, Alpha Digital and Alpha NR. Are these considered v1 or one generation prior?
    The Alpha NR would be from the, just now superseded, v1 generation of NR power cables.

    The Alpha Digital and Alpha HC are from the generation prior to the NR generation. That generation had 3 versions: Alpha Digital, Alpha Analog and Alpha HC. The filters in those were made to target the specific type of noise generated by the different types of audio equipment. "Digital" was made for DACs, transports and other devices of that type. "Analog" was for preamps, phone pre, amplifiers and other equipment that had NO digital circuitry in it. And the "HC" version was made specifically for amplifiers but also worked quite well on pre-amplifiers.

    The NR v1 cables improved upon the prior gen in that we figured out how to make built-in NR filters that worked universally well on digital, analog or high-current type components. Therefore, there was no longer any need to worry about which type cable to match with a specific type of component. And JFYI, the new v2 NR cables have a newer generation filter that has improved sonics over the v1 gen. The technical noise reduction specifications are the same as the v1 generation but we have refined some of the elements in the filter that sound better than those used in the prior gen.

    2) Assuming I pull the trigger on a upgrade from Denali to Everest with the appropriate XC power cord are either my current Alpha Digital or Alpha NR worth retaining for connection to my dCS DAC, Upsampler or clock?
    All of the cables you currently own are excellent and are still competitive with anything on the market. That being said, the v2 generation is NOT a minor upgrade. In fact, we probably should have given them new names because they are fundamentally superior. The heart and soul of a power cable really is its conductors; the quality of the metals, the geometry and the dielectrics really define the performance potential of the cable. The VTX-Ag is a fundamental advancement in conductor technology. And then you couple that with the improvements in the NR circuitry - the result is a generation of cables that are truly a major leap in performance even when compared to our prior cables.

    Some people have reported this elsewhere - that a Delta v2 will outperform an Alpha v1 from the prior gen. To put this in perspective, the Alpha v1 sold for ~$1500 and the Delta v2 sells for $998. So although the price of each model has risen from the prior gen, the performance to price ratio has actually gone up substantially. More performance for less money. And this across the model line. An Alpha v2 NR will outperform a Sigma v1 NR with the older Sigma valued at $3K with the new Alpha v2 at $2k. We are very happy with the performance we have been able to extract from the new generation and are proud that we can improve performance while reducing the equivalent price.

    RE EVEREST:
    Everest represents our ultimate power conditioner and it deserves a world-class power cable for you to realize its full potential. That doesn't mean you can't use an existing cable or a prior gen cable and get exceptional performance - you will. However, you will not really know what the Everest is capable of unless you partner it will one of our v2 cables. I recommend the Sigma v2 XC for the Everest and if you can afford the rather substantial cost, the Omega XC really does deliver the ultimate in performance.

    I understand that the DAC would benefit from one of the latest generation NR offerings but i'm not sure about the clock or the Upsampler which only sees a ethernet signal.
    Although you can spend more money on one of our more expensive NR power cords, I recommend the Venom V14 Digital (US$250) for these type of devices. There are several people that have done the comparisons and they usually agree with my perspective on this. The Venom V14 Digital has a different NR filter than the Venom NR V12/V10 which are suited to audio components. The V14 Digital filter has a greater ability to reduce "impulse noise" which is typical from SMPSs that are commonly used in computers, monitors and ethernet switches. If you have upgraded your component's power supply with a linear power supply then using one of our more expensive NR power cords "may" give you better performance. But in my opinion, the V14 Digital is more than capable of giving you a big leap in performance. Save your power cable budget for the pre-amplifier, amplifier or DAC.

    from the Venom V14 Brochure
    VENOM V14 DIGITAL

    The Venom V14 Digital is a highly specialized power cord that has an internal multi-stage noise-filtration circuit that was designed specifically for computer-based music systems. This powerful filter removes noise and interference from both the power line as well as from noise generated by the components themselves. Ideal applications include all computer peripherals and video processors including; computers, music-servers, NAS arrays, routers, switches, monitors, clocks, up-samplers, digital transports, wall warts, and power bricks.
    For high-current amps, pre-amps, DAC’s, and other analog electronics — customers should consider the Venom NR-12 or Venom NR-10 power cords for best performance.
    The Venom V14 Digital is only available with US-style AC plugs and is 1.75 meters in length. It is available with a variety of component connectors including: standard C-13 and mini-power connectors (C7, C7P, C5).
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    If you have upgraded your component's power supply with a linear power supply then using one of our more expensive NR power cords "may" give you better performance. But in my opinion, the V14 Digital is more than capable of giving you a big leap in performance. Save your power cable budget for the pre-amplifier, amplifier or DAC.
    Will do - thank you for addressing that case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Some people have reported this elsewhere - that a Delta v2 will outperform an Alpha v1 from the prior gen. To put this in perspective, the Alpha v1 sold for ~$1500 and the Delta v2 sells for $998. So although the price of each model has risen from the prior gen, the performance to price ratio has actually gone up substantially. More performance for less money. And this across the model line. An Alpha v2 NR will outperform a Sigma v1 NR with the older Sigma valued at $3K with the new Alpha v2 at $2k. We are very happy with the performance we have been able to extract from the new generation and are proud that we can improve performance while reducing the equivalent price.
    My Denali v1 is powered by an Alpha HC from the wall. I had been thinking to replace it with an Alpha XC, but it sounds like I should give consideration to the Delta XC. My Denali v1 is only providing power to source components.

    My amp is powered from a 2nd dedicated circuit using an Alpha HC. The plan there had been Alpha NR v2. But for the price of the Alpha NR v2, I could get both a Delta NR v2 and Delta XC and still have improved upon both my Alpha HCs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyb123 View Post
    My Denali v1 is powered by an Alpha HC from the wall. I had been thinking to replace it with an Alpha XC, but it sounds like I should give consideration to the Delta XC. My Denali v1 is only providing power to source components.
    The Delta v2 is an incredible cable. I don't personally like big fat cables, so I use the Delta v2 in my personal home audio system. The Delta is VERY flexible and easy to work with. And it has the VTX-Ag conductors and the CopperCONN connectors. So the sonics are very similar to the more expensive Reference cables.

    Delta v2 XC is a good match for the Denali D6000/T, Delta D6 or Alpha A12 power conditioners. If you had a Denali 6000 v2 then I would suggest an Alpha v2 XC if the budget permitted.

    My amp is powered from a 2nd dedicated circuit using an Alpha HC. The plan there had been Alpha NR v2. But for the price of the Alpha NR v2, I could get both a Delta NR v2 and Delta XC and still have improved upon both my Alpha HCs.
    Yes, that's a good plan and the improvement will be quite profound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    I don't personally like big fat cables, so I use the Delta v2 in my personal home audio system.
    I wouldn’t have expected that the guy who designs big fat cables doesn’t like big fat cables. 😀

    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Yes, that's a good plan and the improvement will be quite profound.
    Thanks again for weighing in - tremendously helpful. While much of the focus lately has been on ascending to new heights with the Everest, nice to know that getting great sound down here in the valley doesn’t cost as much as it used to. Thank you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyb123 View Post
    I wouldn’t have expected that the guy who designs big fat cables doesn’t like big fat cables.
    That’s why I work very hard to make sure they are exceeding flexible for their size.
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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Well then, taking information from several of Caelin's posts, the recommendations could be as follows:


    Fully analog devices: NR cables


    Digital devices with an analog section, such as DACs: NR Cables


    Fully digital devices with a Linear PSU: NR Cables


    Fully digital devices with a Switched PSU: Venom V14 Digital.


    This now does have more logical IMO. I never thought that a fully digital device like a Taiko Extreme, with a very robust power supply and that according to its designer has, punctually large current demands, would be better with a V14D than with a Sigma NR and in several statements, it was never mentioned the PSU type, it was just talking about fully digital devices.
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    A Nice effort by Shunyata of cleaning up their web-site with current information. Great job Shunyata Team.
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    Yeah, but the link from the Venom HC v2 Custom "quick view" page to the "visit the Venom HC custom page" is broken.
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    Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma
    On order: YG Acoustics Rack 1.4

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Although you can spend more money on one of our more expensive NR power cords, I recommend the Venom V14 Digital (US$250) for these type of devices. There are several people that have done the comparisons and they usually agree with my perspective on this. The Venom V14 Digital has a different NR filter than the Venom NR V12/V10 which are suited to audio components. The V14 Digital filter has a greater ability to reduce "impulse noise" which is typical from SMPSs that are commonly used in computers, monitors and ethernet switches. If you have upgraded your component's power supply with a linear power supply then using one of our more expensive NR power cords "may" give you better performance. But in my opinion, the V14 Digital is more than capable of giving you a big leap in performance. Save your power cable budget for the pre-amplifier, amplifier or DAC.
    I was finally able to compare a NR V12 to a V14 Digital on my Chord Hugo M-Scaler (HMS). The HMS is powered by a Farad Super3, which gets a zone to itself on my Denali V1. The winner was the V14 Digital as it could be clearly heard that its different filter was more effective at reducing noise. I have to admit that I was taken aback by the improvement as I’m just not accustomed to finding that a power cord at this price point can make such a difference. So you can add me to the list of those who agree with you on this. Thanks again for sharing your thoughts here with us.

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    Re: Confused with Current Shunyata PC Offerings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Hey Jim, here's some info/suggestions for your list above that should be helpful in your considerations:

    Denali to Everest – YES. Denali to Everest is a significant upgrade. Knowing you and your system, I would consider this is a "must-upgrade."

    Depending on your budget, use an Omega XC or Simga XC to power Everest from the wall receptacle.

    Original Alpha NR Vivaldi DAC to ? Alpha NRv2 or Sigma NRv2
    Original Alpha Digital to dCS Upsampler to ? Venom V14D Digital, believe it or not. This cable should be for powering any differences that remain entirely in the digital domain (i.e., no conversion to analog)
    Current Analysis Plus to dCS clock to ? Also Venom V14D Digital.

    Hope this helps and feel free to reach out via PM if you want to discuss on the phone.

    Cheers, mate.
    I own 3 Denali’s with Sigma Sigma NR power cords. In my main reference 2 channel system, the Everest + Omega XC proved to be no less than a major upgrade. If you have the cash, it is worth the upgrade, IMO in a highly resolving system.
    OTOH, the Denali 6000 v2 is a super product and I use it in my home theater system in my main home in addition to the Triton v3 + Typhon NR. Of course a money back guarantee is a must since every system is different. Just my 2 cents.
    STEREO: Aurender N10, Ayre QX-5, Ayre KX-R TWENTY, Ayre MX-R TWENTY, PS Audio DirectStream & PS Audio DMP, Sonus Faber Stradivari speakers, Wireworld Platinum Eclipse 8 speaker cables, Shunyata Research Sigma and WireWorld Platinum Eclipse 8 interconnects, Shunyata Research Sigma v1, Omega XC, & Synergistic Research Galileo power cords, Shunyata Everest power distributor, Dedicated 20amp AC lines with Oyaide Duplexes.

    A/V SYSTEM: Sony A9G 77” OLED (main), Sony A9F 65” OLED, Sony A8G 65”OLED , Anthem MCA525, Anthem AVM 60, Lexicon DD-8 for Atmos, Sonus Faber Amati Futura L+R, ProAc Response CC, AT surrounds, Triad Atmos ceiling speakers x4 , JL112E, Oppo 203 & 103, TiVo Bolt, Apple 4KTV, Shunyata Research Denali 6000/S v2 & Shunyata Research Triton v3. Auralex room tx, black-out curtains, Audioquest speaker & HDMI cables, Shunyata Research Sigma & Venom V10NR power cords. Dedicated 20 amp AC lines.

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