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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Al M. View Post
    You may exaggerate in the opposite direction.
    Glad you got it.
    However, the message remains.
    Btw, I believe audiophiles when they say vinyl is the limits of their systems and thus preferred.
    As an oft attendee (not lately!) of live classical/orchestral (10 min drive) and having heard many a vinyl system, my skepticism have been allayed.

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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Another thing, and perhaps part of the endurance of a vinyl "myth", is that there seems to linger an idea that the digital process somehow loses information.

    Even though I am a digital only guy myself (at least when it comes to my own system; I enjoy vinyl elsewhere), and thus perhaps a bit more open and less prejudiced regarding the matter, it took me quite a long time before I was able to sufficiently understand digital theory. Only after quite intense immersion in the subject, including asking technical questions on forums, it finally clicked and I "got" it.

    For someone more biased it might be even harder to grasp the notion that digital indeed fully captures the audio signal. An impediment was of course also that until recent years the audible implementation lagged too far behind the theory and the math, which always had been sound.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    When you convert Analog to Digital and back to Analog, something is lost since decisions and trade offs have to be made regarding bit and sample rates, among other reasons. Also, there wouldnít be varying degrees of ADCís and DACís, a $99 unit on each end would suffice, but we know there are better quality ADCís and DACís. When you stay in the analog domain throughout the chain, the sound is more pure IMO. That being said, modern digital recordings throw a monkey wrench in things, as does the constant improvement in ADCís, DACís, higher bit and sampling rates and also, storage capabilities and formats.

    That being said, letís get back to the topic at hand.

    Here is a turntable Iím jonesing for...




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    Re: Why no turntable?

    i think if you spend much time playing 'big' music in a 'big' system it is easy to very consistently hear vinyl easily sort out detail and maintain cohesion on peaks.......compared to the relative slight congestion of digital. this is particularly true of the little flairs and nuance when the sound stage is very active. and these details have more definition and energy with vinyl. they have tonal shading missing with digital. there is air and weight with vinyl. the vinyl media has information headroom that the better vinyl playback systems can reveal.

    i listen 65%-70% digital in my system; mostly classical and high rez, lots of full orchestral at realistic SPL's. i really enjoy it. that said, it has it's relative limitations. and these things that are easy to hear when you push the media to it's limits, exist at all levels of digital and all types of music. they are just not as simple to pick out unless you get the music under stress. but our senses can tell these differences 'all the time' with any music even though our minds might not fully connect about it.

    i'm a format junkie and have invested in the very top level of digital. i've pushed it as far as you can go. it's fantastic. it absolutely 'good enough' and needs nothing to be fully satisfying. but it is what it is. listen to an hour of digital in my system, then let loose with an hour of vinyl on my 3 tt's and it's another level. and none of my 3 tt set-ups individually are as expensive as my digital set-up.

    i'm not spouting facts; i'm just saying it's how things sound to me in my system with the commitments i've made to musical truth.

    and i did not even mention tape.

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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    When you convert Analog to Digital and back to Analog, something is lost since decisions and trade offs have to be made regarding bit and sample rates, among other reasons. Also, there wouldnít be varying degrees of ADCís and DACís, a $99 unit on each end would suffice, but we know there are better quality ADCís and DACís. When you stay in the analog domain throughout the chain, the sound is more pure IMO. That being said, modern digital recordings throw a monkey wrench in things, as does the constant improvement in ADCís, DACís, higher bit and sampling rates and also, storage capabilities and formats.

    That being said, letís get back to the topic at hand.

    Here is a turntable Iím jonesing for...




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    22 Kg platter, 27 Kg base, 80 Kg total. That turntable is substantial .


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    When you convert Analog to Digital and back to Analog, something is lost since decisions and trade offs have to be made regarding bit and sample rates, among other reasons. Also, there wouldnít be varying degrees of ADCís and DACís, a $99 unit on each end would suffice, but we know there are better quality ADCís and DACís. When you stay in the analog domain throughout the chain, the sound is more pure IMO. That being said, modern digital recordings throw a monkey wrench in things, as does the constant improvement in ADCís, DACís, higher bit and sampling rates and also, storage capabilities and formats.

    That being said, letís get back to the topic at hand.

    Here is a turntable Iím jonesing for...




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    Why do so many turntable pictures have two arms? Is one cartridge needed for one type of music, and the other for another type of music?
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    Why do so many turntable pictures have two arms? Is one cartridge needed for one type of music, and the other for another type of music?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Why do so many turntable pictures have two arms? Is one cartridge needed for one type of music, and the other for another type of music?
    Often, Stereo and mono carts or variety. Some carts are amazing for classical, jazz, rock, whatever. But for me, itís stereo and mono carts.


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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Thanks Mike. Mono never occurred to me.
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    Re: Why no turntable?

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Thanks Mike. Mono never occurred to me.
    Bud, when you hear a mono record with a proper mono cartridge, the difference is profound. The soundstage literally doubles in width. My old jazz records like the mono cart!


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