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June 25, 2014, 08:48 PM #1
Job pre2 - just took delivery
Pretty cool piece. Been looking for a minimalist preamp that still had a remote. Arrived fast considering it shipped from Switzerland. Got it In like 3 business days. Amazing. Nice build.
System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 25, 2014, 08:53 PM #2
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So how it sounds ?
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June 25, 2014, 09:13 PM #3
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well, I've only had it for a few hours, but it sounds great so far. I've been using a primaluna preamp which I love but I wanted to try this job because I've been looking for a minimalist solid stare preamp with remote for a long time and I wanted to see if it would squeeze out even more transparency from my system. The PL was already excellent. All I can say so far is that the job is at least equally transparent as the PL preamp and that the job has cleaner tighter bass. Imaging is also really good. I feel like I'm getting a more stable image with the speakers disappearing more. But some of the texture and richness the primaluna was bringing is reduced. That's to be expected from a solid state vs a tube preamp.
System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 25, 2014, 09:32 PM #4
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How do you like the Wyred's version of the ICE modules sound? I have the STP-SE and have thought about trying either one of their amps or integrated amps.
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June 25, 2014, 09:43 PM #5
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My first wyred product was their sti-1000 integrated amp. I loved it. All I can say is that I have a reputation for being a shameless box swapper but the wyred gear has stayed longer than anything else in the past 5 years. If you can get past the audiophile bias against class D, it's superb gear. IMO class D amps are the best bang for your buck in high end amplifiers. Sound competes with class AB amps I've owned that ran twice the price. And it's as good as the very best of em.
Ummm, this job preamp is starting to sound pretty special now. Might be the beer ear talking, but...wow...getting some killer sound now.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 25, 2014, 10:10 PM #6
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May have to give one of the amps a try with the STP-SE.
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June 26, 2014, 12:03 AM #7
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June 26, 2014, 03:12 AM #8
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Re: Job pre2 - just took delivery
Does it sound good at low volumes?
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June 26, 2014, 03:39 AM #9
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I - and no doubt others - would be very grateful for detailed descriptions of the sonic character of the JOB Pre2. In particular, more about the comparison between the Prima Luna Prologue (which I know) and the Job.
Do you have the impression that the quality of the interconnects will make a noticeable difference? Were you using any XLRs in your setup prior to receiving the JOB? If so, what differences - if any - have you noticed so far? Sorry for all the questions
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June 26, 2014, 07:27 AM #10
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sounds superb at low volumes. I think the PL preamp requires a bit more juice to sound it's best, not so with this pre2 IMO. Really enjoying moderate volume levels right now. Sound is crystal clear. I know it's cliche but it's not showing any edginess right now as far as I can tell. But it's for sure a smidge more up front then the PL which works fine in my system. Cymbal decay is better on the PL though.
System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 26, 2014, 07:35 AM #11
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will continue to post my impressions.
The primaluna preamp is all RCA so I was not using any XLRs. Don't put much stock in XLR being superior anyway. Have never been superior when I've used them in my systems in the past. I don't have any long IC runs though. And I really like my RCA interconnects which are made by "the chord company".
Let me get some more seat time under my belt and I will post further impressions. I will also switch the PL back in to see if I'm struck by the difference. The PL is no slouch but obviously a very different design.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 26, 2014, 07:38 AM #12
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My system
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System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 26, 2014, 07:47 AM #13
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Oh, it was silly of me to inquire about XLRs when in fact I knew that the PL is single-ended. My query is a sign of my uncertainty about purchasing the JOB pre2 when my two major sources are well wired with XLRs. Unlike you, I do notice the difference with XLRs in my system. Anyway, I'll wait for your further impressions. Thanks!
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June 26, 2014, 09:16 AM #14
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June 26, 2014, 09:19 AM #15
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jaxwired - beautiful room and great setup! I've always loved those PMC speakers.
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June 26, 2014, 10:01 AM #16
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No, I just bought it on spec. based on the credibility of the Job amp and the backing of goldmund. I felt it was a risk worth taking. It ticked all my boxes, solid state, respected manufacturer, minimalist design, modest size, remote control, factory direct, bargain price. I don't know of another preamp that fits the bill so well.
Not at home now so I can't take a pic. Rear panel is very simple. Has a fuse, a switch for voltage, IEC mains connector, 3 sets of RCA inputs, 1 set of RCA outputs. That's it. And as far as I can tell, there is no power button. It's always on.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 26, 2014, 10:16 AM #172chl : Vincent Sp331MkII, W4S STP-SE Stage 2, Kef 201/2, KEF 140, Vapor Breeze, Lumin, Bryston CD, BHA-1, Quicksilver Headamp, HD650, HD800s, HD820's, Dan Clark 1.1, Focal Stellia, OPPO 203, 105. ( Boxed up: Pass Xa-30.5, VPI Classic, Dynavector DV-20XL, Manley Chinook, Cadenza Bronze)
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June 26, 2014, 10:17 AM #18
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To CPP ... if you have the time to scroll back through the other - imposing - thread devoted to the JOB 225 amp someone did post technical specs of the preamp forwarded to him from JOB. I took a shot at it, but ran out of time and patience )-:
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June 26, 2014, 10:03 PM #19
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Some more job pre2 impressions. I've been doing a bunch of a/b testing comparing my primaluna prologue premium preamp to the job pre2. First off, I've owned many preamps and among the ones I've owned, these are both stars. Although they are both priced for the budget conscience audiophile, they compete with the preamps I've owned that sell for more than double this price range. So no need to spend more. There is no question that the job pre2 wins in the area of presence and transparency. The human voice is superbly reproduced with every tiny nuance communicated. All those minute audible cues that really good recordings contain are crisply and cleanly audible. The clarity is superb and addictive. Love it! However, the primaluna sounds a bit more 3 dimensional. The job pre2 sounds just a smidge flatter to me. The primaluna has a harmonic richness that is seductive. The bass is also noticeably richer and lusher on the primaluna. Which is nice on some bass light material but can be an unwanted addition on bass heavy material. I suspect that the bass is more accurate with the job pre2. Here's what I can say for sure the job pre2 is a superb first class solid state preamp. It provides jaw dropping transparency (if the rest of your gear is up to it) without hardness to the sound. It's very very good. For the asking price it's ridiculously good.
System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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June 27, 2014, 02:14 AM #20
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Hello jax. Thanks for the review!
Just wondering if you are using the Job Pre2 to the Job225 or a different amp?
Also which one do you like better PL or Job pre2 in your set up?
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June 27, 2014, 07:53 AM #21
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No, I am not using the job 225 amp. I'm tempted to get one but I worry that I need more power than it offers. I am currently using a wyred4sound st1000 mkii amp.
As for which one I like better, I have not yet decided. I really have a soft spot for the primaluna so it's not an easy decision. I am leaning toward the job pre2 right now. I typically do not keep equipment that is not currently being used in my system but I might make an exception and just hang on to both preamps for awhile. The job pre2 is definitely staying in the system for the forseeable future. As usual it really comes down to synergy, my system doesn't really require the rounder fatter sound of the primaluna to sound good. If you have particularly edgy ultra revealing speakers the primaluna is going to work better for sure. Or if you have speakers that lack the right balance in the bass department the primaluna can really make a big difference.System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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July 3, 2014, 01:33 AM #22
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Hey Jax. Any update on the sound as you burn in?
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July 3, 2014, 07:52 AM #23
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Yes, BASS! The pre2 seemed a bit bass light on day one. Now with some time on it, that is definitely not the case. Bass is full and deep.
System 1: Matrix Element M -> Sugden A21se -> Klipsch Cornwall 3.
System 2: Matrix Element X -> Exposure 3510 -> Heco Direkt.
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July 5, 2014, 01:43 AM #24
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Nice! Did Soundstage improve at all in terms of 3D width and depth?
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July 5, 2014, 02:36 PM #25
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The big question for me with any pre or integrated is 'how does the volume control work'.
Lots of pre's have SO MUCH GAIN that by the time you get the knob to nine o'clock it's ridiculously loud.
So how is the Job? Is there some useable action on the volume pot or does it get really loud right away?
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July 6, 2014, 11:27 PM #27
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Jaxwired, looks like you're out of a Job (pre), selling it after only a week??
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July 7, 2014, 05:07 PM #28
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Job Pre2 Technical Data
TECHNICAL DATA Job Pre2
POWER SUPPLY
Nominal line voltage: 117 V
1x Power transformer
Input voltage range +/- 10%
Fuse 1 A, slow-blow
Separated ground and earth signal
Connection between earth and ground to cancel all ground loops.
Rated Power Consumption:
IEC 60065: 6.5 W
Max Power Consumption:
IEC 60065: 10 W
INPUT
Input impedance: 50KΩ
Nominal imput level: 2.25 V RMS
Maximum input level: 3.6 V RMS
OUTPUT
Maximum output level: 3.6 V RMS
Output impedance: 75 Ohms
PERFORMANCE
Frequency response:
These values for any level to maximum output level:
+/- 0.1 dB, 10 - 20kHz
+/- 3 dB, 10 - 200kHz
Group delay:
Propagation delay < 1 ms stable with frequency from DC to 100kHz
Distortion:
With 1 V RMS output level, 80 KHz measurement bandwidth, 600 Ohms termination impedance.
THD unbalanced in to unbalanced out < 0.005% (-90dB) flat with frequency.
IMD unbalanced in to unbalanced out < 0.002% (-80dB)
Circuit speed:
Slew rate of amplification stages: > 20 V/us
Rise time: < 700 ns
Crosstalk:
Separation: > 80 dB between channels. (20 Hz - 20 kHz)
Noise:
Signal-to noise ratio on line input: . 80 dB (0.01 Hz - 10 Mhz)
Weighted ASA A: > 100 dB
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July 7, 2014, 05:08 PM #29
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No problem
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I got mine in just 2 days - all the way from Geneva to Canada. Sent July 2 received July 4! Sounds great. My Mimesis 7 ( I have 2 of them)(1990) has more of a natural sound but very similar in that the Job Pre 2 still very much Goldmund in it's sound. Mine came without any side bolts to cover. I have let Job know about the oversight. All in all great sound for $1700 bucks.
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July 10, 2014, 05:40 PM #32
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Welcome the the forum afb284!
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Ive so far read 5 reviews on the Job Pre2 on this forum but it seems like the 3 reviewers that matched it with the Job 225 Amp didnt have a single complaint and love the sound vs the other 2 reviewers who didnt run it with job 225 said it lacked something compared to their other gear... strange but true.
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July 16, 2014, 01:17 AM #36
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Not to mention even on JOBs website they described as "specifically made to compliment Job 225.
Tough decision for me really since i am really looking for a preamp to go with the Chord Hugo DAC to JOB 225 out to Evolution Acoustics MicroOnes.
I am looking at the Primaluna Prologue Premium Preamp with KT120's or the JOB Pre2. Wish i had a listen to both.. must make decision in 2 weeks!!
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July 16, 2014, 01:20 PM #37
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I am using it with the Job and can only say that it sounds amazing (metrum octave dac). Any specific characteristics that you'd like to get more information on? I don't have much experience with other preamps though...
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July 16, 2014, 02:22 PM #38
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Six Moons mentioned your comments in the Pre2 preview .. !
6moons audio reviews: Job Pre2
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July 18, 2014, 12:03 AM #39
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Hah. Cant wait for a full review!
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July 18, 2014, 12:22 AM #40
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Hows the sound after some break in newbie79? Nice dac btw. Always wanted to try a NOS dac.
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July 18, 2014, 12:22 AM #41
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First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
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What struck me after the breakin is that the bass kept getting better and more detailed. Besides that obvious improvement, it got better all around...
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Hey newbie79, do you find the soundstage flat at all with the Job PRE2?
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July 21, 2014, 08:26 AM #45
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I don't find the soundstage flat at all. What also struck me is the vertical soundstage, it seems taller than my previous amp (note: integrated used as pre)... I am enjoying the amp a lot, just ordered new rca's, hope that will improve the sound even more ;-)
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Metrum Hex (with onboard streamer), Job 225, Pre2 and PMC Fact 8's a match made in heaven. After more than 500 hours burning in and 150 hours of listening this is the best match for my onboard HEX streamer. Creating an unbelievable realistic musical experience. Accuracy, soundstage and ambience .... just perfect.
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July 22, 2014, 10:59 AM #48
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Noticed Page 3 preview now up for your reading pleasure ..
6moons audio reviews: Job Pre2
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July 22, 2014, 02:53 PM #49
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Job Pre2 review.
6moons audio reviews: Job Pre2
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Interesting comment about those cheap looking binding posts on the 225 amp, being used on the Telos model! So much for upgrading the binding posts. A good "lesson" in not rushing to upgrade certain things.
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