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    MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Oh my goodness.

    Mike is letting me demo an MSB Discrete DAC. It was going on it's way back to him when he offered, so I jumped at the chance.

    It has the dual Discrete power supplies, XLR outs, spdif and optical digital inputs along with the Renderer module.

    I love my RME ADI-2 and Audio Mirror Tubador SE III dacs but this is absolutely amazing.

    I've had a few of the recent past higher end dacs but this Discrete dac is absolutely wonderful.

    Huge soundstage, very natural vocals, tremendous detail with ZERO harshness. Absolutely smooth and sweet, a bigger in my room presence that is undeniable. I'll need it to let it settle down for another day or so, but I am loving this dac like no other.

    This thing just brought up the performance of my Avantgarde to a whole new level.

    I don't know when I'll be able to afford one but I'm hooked.


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    Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Avantgarde Duo XD, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

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    Conrad Johnson GAT2, Wyred 4 Sound STP-SE Stage 2, Misho Myronov Wooden pre.

    Misho Myronov Wooden amp, First Watt SIT-3 (x 2 - one as backup), Job 250 Monos, Valvet E2se, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)

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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Oh my goodness.

    Mike is letting me demo an MSB Discrete DAC. It was going on it's way back to him when he offered, so I jumped at the chance.

    It has the dual Discrete power supplies, XLR outs, spdif and optical digital inputs along with the Renderer module.

    I love my RME ADI-2 and Audio Mirror Tubador SE III dacs but this is absolutely amazing.

    I've had a few of the recent past higher end dacs but this Discrete dac is absolutely wonderful.

    Huge soundstage, very natural vocals, tremendous detail with ZERO harshness. Absolutely smooth and sweet, a bigger in my room presence that is undeniable. I'll need it to let it settle down for another day or so, but I am loving this dac like no other.

    This thing just brought up the performance of my Avantgarde to a whole new level.

    I don't know when I'll be able to afford one but I'm hooked.


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    Congrats and welcome to the club! Membership has its privileges. Glorious lifelike sound!

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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Hi Ken,

    I can only imagine what the Select II brings to the table. I admit that I was hesitant to try it because I honestly felt they are great DACs. Damn.
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Joe / now look what you got your self into, pun intended MSB - The Discrete DAC


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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    I know, I kept saying “no thank you” many other times. I guess curiosity got the best of me, sadly. I’ll need to experiment a little more and I know for sure that I can tweak my network for better sound right now. That will close the gap some more. Will it be enough to hold me for a while? I hope so.


    Quote Originally Posted by UltraFast69 View Post
    Joe / now look what you got your self into, pun intended MSB - The Discrete DAC


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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    So Joe, you made a huge mistake. Having been a victim of Mike’s offerings, you know the MSB is very likely to stay in your system. Resistance is futile...
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Joe - time to sell a kidney
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Have it, love it(KISS) approach.
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    So Joe, you made a huge mistake. Having been a victim of Mikeís offerings, you know the MSB is very likely to stay in your system. Resistance is futile...
    Yup, Mike sent over some AudioQuest Dragon source power cords to give a listen, just to see if I liked them. That was six months ago and theyíre still here.

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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    I did.

    I've been trying different configurations and inputs and honestly think it the best dac I've heard/owned.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    So Joe, you made a huge mistake. Having been a victim of Mike’s offerings, you know the MSB is very likely to stay in your system. Resistance is futile...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oly View Post
    Joe - time to sell a kidney
    Ha!

    That wouldn't be good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    Have it, love it(KISS) approach.
    I agree, it would provide better sound, more flexibility and a cleaner system.
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Yup, Mike sent over some AudioQuest Dragon source power cords to give a listen, just to see if I liked them. That was six months ago and they’re still here.

    Ken
    Too bad he's like my drug dealer. Gives me a taste, then I'm hooked.
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Too bad he's like my drug dealer. Gives me a taste, then I'm hooked.
    Joe,

    The Discrete is a terrific DAC. You should go for it. It will cure the desire for any further source upgrades.

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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC



    The face Joe made when he realized I was right about the MSB DAC.


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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post


    The face Joe made when he realized I was right about the MSB DAC.


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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    welcome to the club! better late than never

    someone suggested I sell my MSB to retain my Ampzillas and I laughed
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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    Good move that you still have the MSB.

    I didn’t realize until now how many of you guys have MSB DACs. Nice!
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    ...I've been trying different configurations and inputs and honestly think it the best dac I've heard/owned.
    dang -- really, really wish you had not said that!! hmmmm, maybe mike will let me try it after you ...or is it staying put?

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    Re: MSB - The Discrete DAC

    I’ll be sending this one back and ordering new.

    I’m really happy with it.


    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    dang -- really, really wish you had not said that!! hmmmm, maybe mike will let me try it after you ...or is it staying put?

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    Jeff Fritz loves this DAC but loaded his up with options which doubled the price of the DAC. Mike, how would the DAC alone sound and what options if any do you believe are a must?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDSChicago View Post
    Jeff Fritz loves this DAC but loaded his up with options which doubled the price of the DAC.
    Yes. That is basically what happened in the review Joe posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I’ll be sending this one back and ordering new.

    I’m really happy with it.
    That’s terrific news, congrats Joe! From your comments, I wasn’t sure if you would pull the trigger. I’ve never for one minute regretted purchasing my MSB DAC.

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    Hi Ken,

    I wasnít planning on spending nearly this much for a dac, at least not right now. But itís easily worth it and so versatile as well. Iíll just need a little more time to save up. I just ordered some Wireworld cables and the bill is due at the end of the month. Mike has been spot on about them too. So much for being good, bills add up quickly all over, ugh.

    I honestly thought Iíd be able to demo the Discrete and send it back, done. Now as I live with it, I canít unhear it so I have to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Hi Ken,

    I wasn’t planning on spending nearly this much for a dac, at least not right now. But it’s easily worth it and so versatile as well. I’ll just need a little more time to save up. I just ordered some Wireworld cables and the bill is due at the end of the month. Mike has been spot on about them too. So much for being good, bills add up quickly all over, ugh.

    I honestly thought I’d be able to demo the Discrete and send it back, done. Now as I live with it, I can’t unhear it so I have to get one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Thatís terrific news, congrats Joe! From your comments, I wasnít sure if you would pull the trigger. Iíve never for one minute regretted purchasing my MSB DAC.

    Enjoy,
    Ken
    i'll add my congrats to Joe.

    to me the MSB approach of bit perfect allows for all digital formats to be at their best, higher rez performance optimized, and the modularity allows inevitable network streaming performance to evolve with changing interface technology. not only are you getting MSB quality, but a knowledge your investment is protected.

    i own some great turntables and enjoy them, but even with such a commitment to analog i'm still 65% to 70% a digital listener and loving it. it's a great time to have a top dac.

    enjoy!

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    Stop spending my inheritance!!
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    Thank you very much Mike.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Lavigne View Post
    i'll add my congrats to Joe.

    to me the MSB approach of bit perfect allows for all digital formats to be at their best, higher rez performance optimized, and the modularity allows inevitable network streaming performance to evolve with changing interface technology. not only are you getting MSB quality, but a knowledge your investment is protected.

    i own some great turntables and enjoy them, but even with such a commitment to analog i'm still 65% to 70% a digital listener and loving it. it's a great time to have a top dac.

    enjoy!
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    How many days did you take off from work when this arrived???
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    How many days did you take off from work when this arrived???
    Ha! Only one, cough cough. I wasn’t feeling well

    All better now, thank goodness.
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    GLWS- I mean congrats excellent choice. GLWS referred to what you lose to win this wonderful prize of supreme listening..
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    Quote Originally Posted by veindoc View Post
    GLWS- I mean congrats excellent choice. GLWS referred to what you lose to win this wonderful prize of supreme listening..
    LoL, this might be a great time to clean out some gear/cables that I’m not using to fund this addiction.
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    Hi Joe,

    This thread has really cheered me up. Thanks for starting it!

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    I’m happy to read that. Glad I could help.

    I remember you telling me how much you love your MSB, now I understand why.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi Joe,

    This thread has really cheered me up. Thanks for starting it!

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    Congratulations Joe!! MSB has been knocking it out of the park with the Select, Reference and Discrete DAC's. Have fun with the new unit.
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    Congratulations Joe with the new MSB Dac am sure it is sounding wonderfull , at least i can happily say its not even possible to get to hear it here in Denmark although i would love to hear what it sounds like.
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    Joe, what source(s) and input(s) are you using? Any ideas which upgrades you will be getting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Joe, what source(s) and input(s) are you using? Any ideas which upgrades you will be getting?
    I use my modified Sonos Port into the coax spdif and my Roon Rock server into the network port. I’m considering adding the USB port for hooking up a computer.

    I’m going to try and hook up the Discrete directly to my amp and hear how it sounds that way.
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    joe -- i see in another thread you are selling your lumin u1 mini. not sure of your upstream digital infrastructure but just thought i would mention the MSB pro ISL module + pro USB converter as an alternative to the network renderer module.

    from reading info on the MSB website, a USB feed from a streamer/server/computer/etc is converted to an MSB pro ISL signal. what is unique to MSB is that the USB conversion process employs error detection and correction. all other USB based inputs i am aware of do not utilize error correction. the MSB pro ISL is a light signal and, thereby, completely eliminates all upstream electrical noise. hence, the DAC is delivered a bit-perfect data stream free of any electrical noise that can modulate the D > A conversion.

    the MSB process here makes a USB signal functionally equivalent to fiber ethernet ... not sure why MSB does not offer a straight fiber ethernet input module (as does the lumin x1) but i suppose they have their reasons.

    the network renderer and the pro ISL cost exactly the same amount. more info here and here

    anyway, just though it was worth mentioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    joe -- i see in another thread you are selling your lumin u1 mini. not sure of your upstream digital infrastructure but just thought i would mention the MSB pro ISL module + pro USB converter as an alternative to the network renderer module.

    from reading info on the MSB website, a USB feed from a streamer/server/computer/etc is converted to an MSB pro ISL signal. what is unique to MSB is that the USB conversion process employs error detection and correction. all other USB based inputs i am aware of do not utilize error correction. the MSB pro ISL is a light signal and, thereby, completely eliminates all upstream electrical noise. hence, the DAC is delivered a bit-perfect data stream free of any electrical noise that can modulate the D > A conversion.

    the MSB process here makes a USB signal functionally equivalent to fiber ethernet ... not sure why MSB does not offer a straight fiber ethernet input module (as does the lumin x1) but i suppose they have their reasons.

    the network renderer and the pro ISL cost exactly the same amount. more info here and here

    anyway, just though it was worth mentioning.
    The reasons MSB’s Pro ISL Module is designed this way is for electromagnetic isolation and the ability to run an optical cable longer distances. The negative with the Pro USB Module compared to the Renderer V2 is that you cannot control the DAC’s analog volume adjustment through Roon via the IPad. You have to use the MSB remote.

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    Than you so much for the recommendation. I was thinking about that option too.

    Before I pull the trigger, I want to find out if I can get both XLR and RCA modules so that depending on amp(s) I can have the appropriate output without the need for adapters.

    I was actually thinking about getting both the USB/ISL modules so I’ll be ready for anything. I know only one rca/xlr module at a time but I think both Network and ISL modules can fit in at the same time.


    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    joe -- i see in another thread you are selling your lumin u1 mini. not sure of your upstream digital infrastructure but just thought i would mention the MSB pro ISL module + pro USB converter as an alternative to the network renderer module.

    from reading info on the MSB website, a USB feed from a streamer/server/computer/etc is converted to an MSB pro ISL signal. what is unique to MSB is that the USB conversion process employs error detection and correction. all other USB based inputs i am aware of do not utilize error correction. the MSB pro ISL is a light signal and, thereby, completely eliminates all upstream electrical noise. hence, the DAC is delivered a bit-perfect data stream free of any electrical noise that can modulate the D > A conversion.

    the MSB process here makes a USB signal functionally equivalent to fiber ethernet ... not sure why MSB does not offer a straight fiber ethernet input module (as does the lumin x1) but i suppose they have their reasons.

    the network renderer and the pro ISL cost exactly the same amount. more info here and here

    anyway, just though it was worth mentioning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Than you so much for the recommendation. I was thinking about that option too.

    Before I pull the trigger, I want to find out if I can get both XLR and RCA modules so that depending on amp(s) I can have the appropriate output without the need for adapters.

    I was actually thinking about getting both the USB/ISL modules so I’ll be ready for anything. I know only one rca/xlr module at a time but I think both Network and ISL modules can fit in at the same time.
    seems we are doing research along the same lines... i have been thinking hard on maybe going all-in on digital rather than maybe adding an analog source -- in that scenario MSB is certainly very high on the list, so i have been doing a similar investigation of all their input / output modules.

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    Please keep the information coming. I think itís time for me to jump back into the dac pool again. Some of the streaming music I enjoy almost needs a computer so thatís where the usb/isl comes in. I was also told that Audivana (?) and a computer is one of the best/better combinations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Please keep the information coming. I think itís time for me to jump back into the dac pool again. Some of the streaming music I enjoy almost needs a computer so thatís where the usb/isl comes in. I was also told that Audivana (?) and a computer is one of the best/better combinations.
    have not tried audirvana in several years but i remember liking roon much better at the time. it was much more developed / built-out -- both have free trials so you can decide what's best for your use case and preferences.

    in terms of hardware upstream from my DAC, i went with this solution. combine this with the MSB proISL and i don't think it is possible to get a cleaner signal to the DAC ...or a more cost effective way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Than you so much for the recommendation. I was thinking about that option too.

    Before I pull the trigger, I want to find out if I can get both XLR and RCA modules so that depending on amp(s) I can have the appropriate output without the need for adapters.

    I was actually thinking about getting both the USB/ISL modules so Iíll be ready for anything. I know only one rca/xlr module at a time but I think both Network and ISL modules can fit in at the same time.
    just get an Innuos and use ethernet the entire way with the renderer. easy peasy. MSB is fully balanced at least on the Premier on up so I'd get XLR output and use adapters as needed (then you get full potential of the dac if you have a balanced preamp)

    i've demo'd all the iterations of MSB and the "extras" - here is my continuum of improvements

    1) dual mono p/s
    2) clock
    3) powerbase

    the "value point" is just getting the first

    good luck!
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    Is the Discrete also a fully balanced component or no?

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    Just awesome Joe. Ya know once Mike gets ya, he turns into 'The Pusher', and keeps feeding ya those little bites of audio . that reminds me I need to play Steppenwolf 'The Pusher'
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    Ha!

    We’ve been talking about it for a long time. Once my demo dac was on its way, I realized I was in trouble. After a few days of letting it settling in, then going back to my DACs, I pretty much knew I was done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Ha!

    We’ve been talking about it for a long time. Once my demo dac was on its way, I realized I was in trouble. After a few days of letting it settling in, then going back to my DACs, I pretty much knew I was done.
    You will be selling that RME before long once the MSB has taken over the SS side of the DACS.
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