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    MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Is that the N51? Really nice looking gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    Is that the N51? Really nice looking gear.
    Yes it is. Agreed!


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Does it equal the Diablo 300 in sound? That seems to be the real sweet price point for Integrateds of that caliber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowfax View Post
    Does it equal the Diablo 300 in sound? That seems to be the real sweet price point for Integrateds of that caliber.
    Oh man, totally different. Diablo 300 is a BEAST. A sledge hammer Integrated with massive size soundstage, deep freaking bass and a dark rich tone.

    The MBL is buttery smooth on top. It sounds “right” and controlled. Polite. Balanced top to bottom.
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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
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    That sounds great Mike. The combination appears to have wonderful spatiality and a smooth non-fatiguing tone - the type of sound you could just listen to all day. Whats the list price of the system as shown?
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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_1282001 View Post
    That sounds great Mike. The combination appears to have wonderful spatiality and a smooth non-fatiguing tone - the type of sound you could just listen to all day. Whats the list price of the system as shown?
    Thanks. $54,400 including speakers, stands, integrated amp and CD/DAC Player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Oh man, totally different. Diablo 300 is a BEAST. A sledge hammer Integrated with massive size soundstage, deep freaking bass and a dark rich tone.

    The MBL is buttery smooth on top. It sounds “right” and controlled. Polite. Balanced top to bottom.
    I own the before gen the c51, and compared to gryphon extensively, and i agree 100% with you mike.
    I have an inquiry though: what if you have to compare mids on both ?
    I know the n51 is a different beast, but i suppose they have the same genes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sakso136 View Post
    I own the before gen the c51, and compared to gryphon extensively, and i agree 100% with you mike.
    I have an inquiry though: what if you have to compare mids on both ?
    I know the n51 is a different beast, but i suppose they have the same genes.
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    That’s a great question. They are equally good in the mids. I would say the N51 has more body, but the 300 has more definition and microdetail.
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    Removed the horns. They were causing a reflection off the MBL’s. Improved things by quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    That’s a great question. They are equally good in the mids. I would say the N51 has more body, but the 300 has more definition and microdetail.
    Again we agree.
    More body and liquidity to mbl.
    But so slow compared to gryphon!
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    Mike, that's awesome man. I can't remember the last time I heard the MBL's. It's been AGES, lol. Heard so many great things bout them. I do love their electronics.
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    So Mike, how did the MBLs compare to the AGs in your home setting?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    So Mike, how did the MBLs compare to the AGs in your home setting?


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    Still listening. I want to live with them for a couple of days or weeks. Very airy, 3D presentation. The key was would they work in such a crappy room as mine. The answer is yes.


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    most systems will work in smaller rooms if set up properly. That just seems to be the key. I know someone who uses some large ML's in a smaller bedroom. They take up the whole room, but sound great
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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Still listening. I want to live with them for a couple of days or weeks. Very airy, 3D presentation. The key was would they work in such a crappy room as mine. The answer is yes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    The great thing about the MBL 120’s is they will work in almost any room with minimal adjustments and sound outstanding. Refreshing!

    Ken
    Agreed. If they work in my crappy room, they will work in any room. I’m always surprised at how versatile the MBL’s are (when I assume they wouldn’t be). They do need side walls and a back wall (wall behind the speaker) though to work their best. They need at least 32 inches from the middle of the speaker to the side wall and at least 32 inches from the back wall. Back wall and side wall distances should be different (3 feet and 4 feet for example). Since they rely on reflection, absorption is also not recommended. Diffusion is ok. Silk plants work best.


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    How do MBL 120s compare to AG Duos or Mezzos, or to Magico M3s for that matter?

    Do the sound big or small, or equal? What’s your impression?


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    @ Mike, I may have missed this but what prompted you to explore this potential change?

    Would the 101s have been too much for that room?

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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kuoppis View Post
    How do MBL 120s compare to AG Duos or Mezzos, or to Magico M3s for that matter?

    Do the sound big or small, or equal? What’s your impression?


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    Completely different. The AG’s are a big impressive dynamic “live sound” presentation that I could live happily ever after with. The M2/M3’s out planar the planars in their seamless presentation and pin point Imaging. The MBL’s cast a massive soundstage wall to wall front to back. Their lack of a cabinet also presents vocals and piano and the like in such a natural form without colorations or resonances. The sound is focused but not quite as focused as a Magico or AG. But one thing I find puzzling is why I’m getting a much more focused center image in my home than in the store. My thinking is that the back wall Vicoustics diffusion in the store is causing the slightly less than focused image.


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Completely different. The AG’s are a big impressive dynamic “live sound” presentation that I could live happily ever after with. The M2/M3’s out planar the planars in their seamless presentation and pin point Imaging. The MBL’s cast a massive soundstage wall to wall front to back. Their lack of a cabinet also presents vocals and piano and the like in such a natural form without colorations or resonances. The sound is focused but not quite as focused as a Magico or AG. But one thing I find puzzling is why I’m getting a much more focused center image in my home than in the store. My thinking is that the back wall Vicoustics diffusion in the store is causing the slightly less than focused image.


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    Might also be that the angled roof is resonating back.

    Will have to spend more time with MBLs the next time I go to a show. Have always liked their omnidirectional soundstage.


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    Re: MBL goes into the big system. Could this mean a change?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Diffusion is ok. Silk plants work best.
    So THAT'S why their room at RMAF looked like a jungle!

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