The Ultimate MAGICO Experience for Audioshark Members - Saturday August 27, 2016

**MDP** · August 25, 2016, 01:21 PM

Have fun and be safe my friends!!

**the professor** · August 25, 2016, 01:43 PM

We will definitely have fun!

**madfloyd** · August 25, 2016, 09:44 PM

Just got back from my first visit to Napa and Sonoma. Had a great time.

2 more sleeps!

**Mike** · August 26, 2016, 10:40 AM

At the airport in SRQ, ready for SFO and Magico!!

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**a.wayne** · August 26, 2016, 10:55 AM

Who has the camera ...... we need pics !!!!!

**Mike** · August 26, 2016, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by a.wayne

Who has the camera ...... we need pics !!!!!

I have a camera. Hopefully someone with actual real photographic skills will be there!

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**Dizzie** · August 26, 2016, 11:11 AM

Have a great time everyone and welcome to California for those visiting.

**the professor** · August 26, 2016, 11:56 AM

Heading to the airport in about an hour

**veindoc** · August 26, 2016, 05:44 PM

Be ready for a balmy 68-72 with almost 8% humidity.
C u there
Nick

**Mike** · August 26, 2016, 05:49 PM

A refreshing change from FL!

**FDPDK** · August 27, 2016, 12:48 PM

It will be interesting to hear and see what it was like, sounds like it can be a really great experience
and i live so far away

But i really hope that those who are going will get an awesome experience
Flemming

**nile49** · August 27, 2016, 03:23 PM

Enroute!

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**kiwi_1282001** · August 27, 2016, 09:32 PM

Ok, trust you guys are enjoying dinner, how did the day go?

What were some of the questions the Sharks asked?

Photos?

**a.wayne** · August 27, 2016, 10:11 PM

Must have been a hell of a day ....

**Cincy2** · August 27, 2016, 10:35 PM

More eloquent people than I will provide the details. Cliff Notes: huge soundstage. Dense palpable trebles. All the tight bass a human could need. Fast attack on all percussive instruments. Spooky vocals they are so authentic. Can't wait till I get mine. I would have carried a pair on my back all the way to Florida if they would have let me. Props to Mike for setting all this up.

Eric

**veindoc** · August 27, 2016, 10:50 PM

Big thanks to Mike and our lovely hosts Alon and the Magico team. Jealous for such an optimized listening room. 24x33 with13.5 high ceiling. Speakers were about 12-13 ft. Apart. ASC did all the custom wall and ceiling panels. Floating floor with I believe a five layer 12 inch insulated walls. Had both digital and vinyl and two 15 inch dual push pull subs that were intermittently activated. For me the softer lower volume songs really spoke to me. The sense of room holographic imaging was awesome when subs were active even when I stood up. The tour of factory really revealed how high tech and high quality the parts utilized. M3 will be a great addition for a lucky few. Weight is high but foot print is very manageable. Magico is a class operation. Sincere thanks

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**Odyssey** · August 27, 2016, 11:34 PM

Ok guys, so what was used to drive the M3's? What was used in for the:

1. Electronics preamp and amps?
2. DAC?
3. Cabling?
4. Any power conditioning?
5. Music Server?

Or other such details?

**veindoc** · August 27, 2016, 11:46 PM

Originally Posted by Odyssey

Ok guys, so what was used to drive the M3's? What was used in for the:

1. Electronics preamp and amps?
2. DAC?
3. Cabling?
4. Any power conditioning?
5. Music Server?

Or other such details?

Solution amp, pre,BADA dac, Kronos TT
Tara Cables, shunyata Baetis server

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**kzhtoo** · August 28, 2016, 12:56 AM

For me, the bass is out of this world, with or without Q Sub (crossed over at 40Hz). Especially when Alon played the "fun" song with female vocal. A couple of guys asked the song's name but I couldn't recall now. The sealed bass in that spooky room is something I've never heard of somewhere else. Fast, tight, natural and spooky real. Alon mentioned you can't hear the room gain above 45Hz in their room.

Mini2 history and how it became Magico is a great story. All in all it's a world class operation with sole focus on the best quality.

Thanks Mike for arranging all this. Sorry I had to leave early.

**veindoc** · August 28, 2016, 01:00 AM

Christine and the Queens singing cover version of Kanye song Heartless. Prodigious bass against her soprano

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**kzhtoo** · August 28, 2016, 01:02 AM

Mike, did you have a chance to ask Alon on his philosophy regarding sealed and ported designs?

**kiwi_1282001** · August 28, 2016, 01:15 AM

Originally Posted by veindoc

Christina de Queen singing cover version of Kanye song Heartless. Prodigious bass against her soprano

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Is this it Nick? Its an awesome track - I've just purchased it!

https://youtu.be/PPjazi4mQSQ

Christine And The Queens,Audio CD (October 16, 2015) Label: Atlantic, ASIN: B014YCF55E

**veindoc** · August 28, 2016, 01:17 AM

Yup

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**joeinid** · August 28, 2016, 01:27 AM

Thanks Nick, very nice.

**veindoc** · August 28, 2016, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by joeinid

Thanks Nick, very nice.

Sorry you could not join us

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**joeinid** · August 28, 2016, 01:48 AM

Thanks you so much. I know it would have been a blast.

It was a bad weekend for me to travel.

Originally Posted by veindoc

Sorry you could not join us

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**Dewster** · August 28, 2016, 03:46 AM

Mike,

Thank you for the memorable experience at Magico, also thank you Alon for his gracious hospitality letting us tour his man cave we all can only dream about. Wish you were there, Mark & Joe..

**Elberoth** · August 28, 2016, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Dewster

Mike,

Thank you for the memorable experience at Magico, also thank you Alon for his gracious hospitality letting us tour his man cave we all can only dream about. Wish you were there, David & Joe..

**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 08:31 AM

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**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 08:59 AM

The four corners of the room:

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**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 09:00 AM

A great dinner afterwards:

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**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 09:33 AM

Thank you to everyone who attended the first Ultimate Magico Experience. A great group of Audioshark members and Suncoast Audio clients. Like Magico, the entire experience was first class all the way.

We started out with a nice meet and greet and beverages in the main entry of Magico's new facility. Alon, David and Peter were gracious welcoming hosts.

Just walking in and seeing the history room with many of the Magico speakers produced since 1994 and their wall of awards and accolades and magazine reviews was very impressive.

Dave Shackleton of Magico guided the tour with Alon providing intricate technical details regarding dozens of topics and questions along the way.

Following through the R&D and manufacturing processes was an amazing experience and one that leaves you saying "Magico is no 'two guys in a garage'." This is a real company, with real SOTA R&D and almost 40 employees engaged in many facets of the organization from R&D to manufacturing, design, production, shipping, marketing/photography and sales and customer support.

In the world of hi end audio, I cannot imagine a more sophisticated, bigger in scale organization. I have toured a few and none come close to the scale, R&D and overall corporate presence of Magico.

You get a sense for the size of Magico as you walk through the various stages of production and see the various C&C machines and examine the complexity and build quality of their many loudspeakers throughout various stages of production. One look inside the new M3, with its two crossovers, intricate internal structures and you appreciate the R&D and excellence in product parts that goes into every Magico Loudspeaker.

After the tour, we took a break and then proceeded into the listening room....and that's when the fun really begins!

The system was composed of the new Magico M3's, Soulution 701 Monoblocks, Soulution 755 phono and 725 preamp. In this configuration, Alon told me we were only using the Soulution 755 as the preamp/phono combo. The Soulution 755 is an amazing phonostage which also has a few analog inputs for other sources like a DAC. It also has volume control. Definitely unique for a phonostage.

The DAC was the new Berkeley Ref 2 and analog was Kronos Pro.

The first track was redbook and was incredibly impressive showing off the delicacy and air in upper frequency detail of the new M3. It really showed off the impressive new tweeter.

As we moved through various tracks, I kept noticing absolutely perfect, seamless driver integration, completely in sync in terms of time and phase. The M3 and pro before it, represent a new stage, a new level in dynamic loudspeaker design not heard from any other manufacturer. The new M3 I am certain, will break new ground for measurable performance for a loudspeaker.

The M3's produced incredible bass, smooth, yet detailed upper frequency and palatable vocals. I joked with Alon in the car afterward and said the M3's gave male vocals some real balls.

As we moved to Vinyl on the Kronos Pro, the speakers responded in spades being fed from such a world class source. When Alon played 'A Case of You' from Diana Krall's Live in Paris, a song I've heard hundreds of times in many systems, I have NEVER heard it sound this good. From the closely mic'd note in the beginning sailing through with smoothness and flying colors and not the normal bite and ring you heard with almost every other loudspeaker, to the weightiness of the lower piano notes, to the fabulous female vocal, it was the most impressive I have ever heard this song.

Like the M Pro before it, the Magico M3 represents a new mile stone in Loudspeaker design. It's the right size for almost any room, big or small, with "best" in world class loudspeaker performance regardless of price.

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**joeinid** · August 28, 2016, 09:44 AM

Well done Magico. Thank you so much for hosting fellow Audioshark members. Looks like a great time was had by all. You have given all of us a new perspective on your wonderful speakers.

**Narayan** · August 28, 2016, 09:46 AM

Thanks for your impressions Mike, are the M series speakers on the same level sonically as the Q7 MKII?

**arthurs** · August 28, 2016, 10:52 AM

Looks like an amazing day! What are those corner treatments?

**FDPDK** · August 28, 2016, 11:01 AM

What a day you guys must have had, and really nice of Magico to do such a thing.

**The Sandman** · August 28, 2016, 11:01 AM

Which subs are those, and were they active?

**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Narayan

Thanks for your impressions Mike, are the M series speakers on the same level sonically as the Q7 MKII?

Better.

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**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by arthurs

Looks like an amazing day! What are those corner treatments?

ASC?

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**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 11:19 AM

Originally Posted by The Sandman

Which subs are those, and were they active?

Q-Sub 15's. We heard the M3's without, then with, then without.

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**kzhtoo** · August 28, 2016, 11:26 AM

Someone else might have a better picture but here it is.

**Dth31** · August 28, 2016, 12:26 PM

Thanks for sharing with those of us who couldn't attend. Much appreciated!

**Bjorn** · August 28, 2016, 12:46 PM

Originally Posted by arthurs

Looks like an amazing day! What are those corner treatments?

RPG Modex Edge bass traps. Looks like they have placed them in front of some absorbers (or could be Modex Plate), which isn't the best thing to do. But all their treatment seems to be RPG products.

**nile49** · August 28, 2016, 12:48 PM

Micro-S7's
Prototype Q1's
And spirited conversation!

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**a.wayne** · August 28, 2016, 02:50 PM

Take the Room Mike, you already have everything else ..

**Narayan** · August 28, 2016, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by Mike

Q-Sub 15's. We heard the M3's without, then with, then without.

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What was your impression on the bass quality from the Q-subs? Did they improve the sound in a meaningful way? I´m curious to know whether they are much better than other top competing subs. Thanks in advance.

**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Narayan

What was your impression on the bass quality from the Q-subs? Did they improve the sound in a meaningful way? I´m curious to know whether they are much better than other top competing subs. Thanks in advance.

Yes and I'm pretty sure I sold a pair during the demo to one of my customers who was in attendance. Enough said!

It was more than bass, it was an entire expansion of the soundstage width by at least 50%.

The technology in the Q-subs is truly SOTA. A totally inert cabinet flat to 10-15 hz with 10 different peq selections

They truly can eq a room 100hz and below.

**veindoc** · August 28, 2016, 03:24 PM

Originally Posted by Narayan

What was your impression on the bass quality from the Q-subs? Did they improve the sound in a meaningful way? I´m curious to know whether they are much better than other top competing subs. Thanks in advance.

More than palpable improvement. Holographic soundstage seemed fuller. Alon only recommend adding a subs to 3 way or higher full range speakers. They come 12,15 and 18 inch duel design drivers front and back array. Hugh aluminum cabinet. Improvement seemed greater to my ears with digital front end. Vinyl effects not as profound.

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**Narayan** · August 28, 2016, 03:25 PM

Mike you should be an endocrinologist, you sure know how to get the hormones flowing

I never thought I´d lust after a pair of subwoofers.

**Mike** · August 28, 2016, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by Narayan

Mike you should be an endocrinologist, you sure know how to get the hormones flowing

I never thought I´d lust after a pair of subwoofers.

Haha! Hey wait, is that why I have a knack for pissing off my wife for no apparent reason?

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