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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Excited to hear more about this!
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Very nice!
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Any advanced specs on the bass drivers?
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Hope it’s at AXPONA.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Yeah, here we go again. A new Magico product to test the longevity of my M3's. Obviously no upgrade option for S5Mk2 owners. Q7 was the only upgradeable speaker Magico ever did, right?
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    Interestingly, the S5 MK2 were launched in 2017. So a 7 year product cycle is not bad at all.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Or, one could not worry about it, and just "...enjoy the music", as Hans B. says.

    So much of the high-end audio market is based on MSB: Male Seeking Behavior.

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Interestingly, the S5 MK2 were launched in 2017. So a 7 year product cycle is not bad at all.
    +1 And the S5 MkII has been difficult to significantly improve upon at its price point.

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Interestingly, the S5 MK2 were launched in 2017. So a 7 year product cycle is not bad at all.
    M3 was launched in 2016 so it's been almost 8 years now yet the younger S5 beat it to an upgrade.
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    Any idea what the price point will be on these?

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyl Lives View Post
    Any idea what the price point will be on these?
    North of $50k MSRP would be my wild guess.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Actually, Torque X RPM can replace "displacement"....just sayin'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    North of $50k MSRP would be my wild guess.
    I'd bet closer to $70K. Probably undercutting Alexia V be a few k.

    Similar to how S3 is a slightly "more affordable" than the Sasha V in MSRP.

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    Nice. I purchased the S5 Mk2 about six years ago and am intrigued by the Mk3 version. I agree that the price will be between $60-$70K. I have contacted my local dealer to inquire about availability and cost.

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

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    That looks like a winner!

    Has pricing been announced?
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    That looks like a winner!

    Has pricing been announced?
    We need to get you a pair! Magico S5 mk3


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    Looks very good. Only wished they would have listed the MSRP. Do we know when Magic will announce pricing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1970 View Post
    Looks very good. Only wished they would have listed the MSRP. Do we know when Magic will announce pricing?
    $74,500/pair in S5 Softec. $83,000/pair in S5 Gloss.

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    Hi Mike,

    Thank you for the pricing. That is significantly more than I anticipated. I might be listening to my S5 MkII for many many more years....

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    $74,500/pair in S5 Softec. $83,000/pair in S5 Gloss.

    Anyone interested in a pair needs to contact me before the end of April to take advantage of our trade-in/trade-up program.


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    A $30K price increase! That seems excessive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinyl Lives View Post
    A $30K price increase! That seems excessive.
    Well it does compare in US MSRP to the Wilson Alexia V which starts at 71 K now.

    I also feel your pain on the crazy pricing of everything (not just “high-end” audio) but, If something of a particular worth exceeds your sense of value, ignore it, don't make the purchase. Value of all things is in the eye of the beholder. You vote with your wallet :-)

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    My guess was $67K. Obviously I was 10% too low.

    In general, high end audio inflation (pricing) is far exceeding the general economic inflation numbers. But as long as we, audiophiles, continue to buy the stuff they'll continue to raise prices.

    Back to the S5, it looks really good. The new S3 sounds terrific so this S5 has to be fantastic.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    ...The new S3 sounds terrific so this S5 has to be fantastic.
    I dare say S5-3 will be a S7/M2 killer. It might also be an M3 killer.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    My guess was $67K. Obviously I was 10% too low.

    In general, high end audio inflation (pricing) is far exceeding the general economic inflation numbers. But as long as we, audiophiles, continue to buy the stuff they'll continue to raise prices.

    Back to the S5, it looks really good. The new S3 sounds terrific so this S5 has to be fantastic.
    Agree with your comments. Magico is riding the wave of the success their investment in technology and R&D has yielded. No doubt Magico will continue to push the envelope in performance and price.

    I am certainly not pleased with the S5 2024 MSRP. Based on what I've heard the S3 2023 performance represents a relative "good value" proposition v. the competition (place the competitive brand/model here).

    Will the S5 2024 represent a similar advantage v. the competition? I won't know until I have a chance to hear it first hand. But as Magico pushes the price point higher, Magico encourages the consumer to consider additional brands that perhaps were not on the consumers radar.

    Speaking for myself, brands like Goebel, Zellaton, Von Schweikert, now invite comparison to the S5 2024 at the announced MSRP. I am certain there are many more I could include.

    At the $67K price estimate you made Ritmo (assuming a commensurate increase in performance for the S5 2024 v. the S3 2023) the new S5 would be the proverbial "no-brainer" for me. At $75K, not as much.

    It appears that many high end manufacturers believe the demand for their products is inelastic. Only time will tell if they are correct.
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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    Agree with your comments. Magico is riding the wave of the success their investment in technology and R&D has yielded. No doubt Magico will continue to push the envelope in performance and price.

    I am certainly not pleased with the S5 2024 MSRP. Based on what I've heard the S3 2023 performance represents a relative "good value" proposition v. the competition (place the competitive brand/model here).

    Will the S5 2024 represent a similar advantage v. the competition? I don't know until I have a chance to hear it first hand. But as Magico pushes the price point higher, Magico encourages the consumer to consider additional brands that perhaps were not on the consumers radar.

    Speaking for myself, brands like Goebel, Zellaton, Von Schweikert, now invite comparison to the S5 2024 at the announced MSRP. I am certain there are many more I could include.

    At the $67K price estimate you made Ritmo (assuming a commensurate increase in performance for the S5 2024 v. the S3 2023) the new S5 would be the proverbial "no-brainer" for me. At $75K, not as much.

    It appears that many high end manufacturers believe the demand for their products is inelastic. Only time will tell if they are correct.
    With Magico, I can see where the money goes. Clearly.

    They aren’t over inflated psycho acoustic nonsense speakers in cheap Chinese cabinets with tiny drivers and a bright tweeter with exorbitant pricing.


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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    With Magico, I can see where the money goes. Clearly.

    They aren’t over inflated psycho acoustic nonsense speakers in cheap Chinese cabinets with tiny drivers and a bright tweeter with exorbitant pricing.


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    Agree. Magico has improved the speaker throughout with next-gen drivers, larger cabinets for improved bass response, and tweaks to the cross-over. However, with that said a MSRP of $75K is significantly higher than the current list price of the outgoing Mk2.

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    Quote Originally Posted by john1970 View Post
    Agree. Magico has improved the speaker throughout with next-gen drivers, larger cabinets for improved bass response, and tweaks to the cross-over. However, with that said a MSRP of $75K is significantly higher than the current list price of the outgoing Mk2.
    The S5 mk2 came out 9 years ago.

    Avantgarde’s Duo Mezzo XD was $55k 9 years ago at launch, the new version is $95k today.

    If I’m not mistaken, the Wilson Alexia has also gone up by about the same amount over the same time period.

    I don’t mean to be coy, but I can really see where the money goes with a Magico product. I can’t say the same for many of their direct competitors.

    Reminds me of the Porsche forums…everyone complains about the price increases, but their products just get better and better and better and exceed their competitors.


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    While I have a great affinity for high-end audio, especially Magico speakers, forgive me if I find myself pondering the steep prices associated with such premium audio equipment.

    Just for proportion, the 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class begins at $63,350 and can climb to $73,540 based on the chosen trim and optional features. Perhaps not reaching the heights of Porsche car and prices, but still offers a blend of luxury, performance, and advanced technology in a stylish and sophisticated package.

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    At current inflation rate prices on most items will double every 8 yrs, RE , food and car prices for eg , maybe bugs instead of beef to control
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    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    While I have a great affinity for high-end audio, especially Magico speakers, forgive me if I find myself pondering the steep prices associated with such premium audio equipment.

    Just for proportion, the 2024 Mercedes-Benz E-Class begins at $63,350 and can climb to $73,540 based on the chosen trim and optional features. Perhaps not reaching the heights of Porsche car and prices, but still offers a blend of luxury, performance, and advanced technology in a stylish and sophisticated package.
    Although we, as audio folks, find ourselves chained to a boutique industry with limited economies of scale possibilities, I also find myself thinking about key component (especially speaker) price proportionality in relation to more widely understood car prices.

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    Re: Magico S5 mk3

    I think that in percentage price differential between S3 mk1 to S5Mk1, and S3 mk2 to S5 mk2 was much less then what we see with S3 m3 to S5 mk3. Correct me if I’m wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    I think that in percentage price differential between S3 mk1 to S5Mk1, and S3 mk2 to S5 mk2 was much less then what we see with S3 m3 to S5 mk3. Correct me if I’m wrong.
    So was inflation at the time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    So was inflation at the time.


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    Mike, I meant the price difference between the S3 and S5 in each generation.
    It appears to me that the price gap percentage between the current generation S3 and S5 is higher than in previous generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    Mike, I meant the price difference between the S3 and S5 in each generation.
    It appears to me that the price gap percentage between the current generation S3 and S5 is higher than in previous generations.
    Not to defend these crazy prices, but did you see the size of this thing? The new S5 is substantially bigger than the prior generations, which were similar in size and construction to each other. It's a different speaker altogether (like the new S3).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry303 View Post
    Not to defend these crazy prices, but did you see the size of this thing? The new S5 is substantially bigger than the prior generations, which were similar in size and construction to each other. It's a different speaker altogether (like the new S3).
    I get that completely; ~4 feet tall and 262 lbs is a lot of speaker. As a Magico A5 user, I have no doubt the performance jump from the S5 mk2 to the S5 2024 will be equal to or beyond that of the S3 2023 to its predecessor.

    My contention is, speaking from my perspective, there is a downside to Magico moving the price point further upmarket. Instead of booking an S5 2024 order immediately to replace the A5 in my system, I will most certainly shop every alternative I can audition. And there are numerous exceptional speakers in the $75K-$85K MSRP price point.

    For example, I auditioned the Goebel Divin Marquis recently and was very impressed. At the time I thought its $90K MSRP disqualified it from consideration. With the Magico release of the S5 2024, the Goebel is now in play and, IMO, it is the one of the benchmarks I will use for comparison.

    Maybe (hopefully?) the S5 2024 will meet or exceed the performance of the competition. But the competition is now being drawn from a larger, deeper pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry303 View Post
    Not to defend these crazy prices, but did you see the size of this thing? The new S5 is substantially bigger than the prior generations, which were similar in size and construction to each other. It's a different speaker altogether (like the new S3).
    The same can be said for the S3 2023; however, the price increase in percentage was not nearly as significant as that of the S5 2024 (despite new S5 being taller and larger, it is only 17 kg heavier than the S3 2023).

    For less than half the price difference between the S3 2023 and the S5 2024, one could purchase the new S-Sub, which can pressurize a larger room and effectively address many of the acoustic issues commonly experienced in most rooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxk116 View Post
    I get that completely; ~4 feet tall and 262 lbs is a lot of speaker. As a Magico A5 user, I have no doubt the performance jump from the S5 mk2 to the S5 2024 will be equal to or beyond that of the S3 2023 to its predecessor.

    My contention is, speaking from my perspective, there is a downside to Magico moving the price point further upmarket. Instead of booking an S5 2024 order immediately to replace the A5 in my system, I will most certainly shop every alternative I can audition. And there are numerous exceptional speakers in the $75K-$85K MSRP price point.

    For example, I auditioned the Goebel Divin Marquis recently and was very impressed. At the time I thought its $90K MSRP disqualified it from consideration. With the Magico release of the S5 2024, the Goebel is now in play and, IMO, it is the one of the benchmarks I will use for comparison.

    Maybe (hopefully?) the S5 2024 will meet or exceed the performance of the competition. But the competition is now being drawn from a larger, deeper pool.
    I am a bit more cohesive in my preferences, so speakers like Goebel or any other line-source tweeter with conventional mids/bass are not something that I am interested in.

    I never considered Magico a bargain product (although the value is evident to me). For those who value the Magico proposition (all around, not just cost), finding a replacement at any price will be hard. In fact, I would argue that in the high-end, the more expensive the speakers, the worse the engineering, and usually the sound, gets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    The same can be said for the S3 2023; however, the price increase in percentage was not nearly as significant as that of the S5 2024 (despite new S5 being taller and larger, it is only 17 kg heavier than the S3 2023).

    For less than half the price difference between the S3 2023 and the S5 2024, one could purchase the new S-Sub, which can pressurize a larger room and effectively address many of the acoustic issues commonly experienced in most rooms.
    S3 plus subs will not do what the S5 will do (they will do other things). The most significant advantage to a bigger speaker like the S5 is the extra-moving surface at the power region, typically 100hz-400hz. A sub will not help there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry303 View Post
    I am a bit more cohesive in my preferences, so speakers like Goebel or any other line-source tweeter with conventional mids/bass are not something that I am interested in.

    I never considered Magico a bargain product (although the value is evident to me). For those who value the Magico proposition (all around, not just cost), finding a replacement at any price will be hard. In fact, I would argue that in the high-end, the more expensive the speakers, the worse the engineering, and usually the sound, gets.
    @Henry303 Have you had the opportunity to hear any of the Goebel speakers in person?

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    a 30K price increase give the dealer another 15K without doing anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Henry303 View Post
    S3 plus subs will not do what the S5 will do (they will do other things). The most significant advantage to a bigger speaker like the S5 is the extra-moving surface at the power region, typically 100hz-400hz. A sub will not help there.
    Henry, what you're saying might indeed be true regarding the 150-400Hz range (of course, it greatly depends on the room), but have you had the chance to listen to the latest S3 with the new S-Sub? At last year's Munich High End show, I had the opportunity to hear Magico demonstrate both in a large room, and the results were exceptional.

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    Why did Magico switch to foam surrounds in the latest versions (S3 2023 and S5 2024) of the S-series speakers?

    Dear Everyone:

    As a Magico S5 Mk2 owner I am considering upgrading to the newer version. However, after reading last night I discovered that on the newer speakers that Magico switched to using a foam surrounds on the midrange and woofers. My Mk2 version have rubber surrounds.

    From what I have read on-line modern foam surrounds are made from polyether and they generally last 15-20 years while in contrast rubber surrounds can readily last 30-40 years.

    I have read commentary that Magico's foam surrounds will last several decades.

    A few questions I have:

    1) Does anyone have technical specifications on the type of foam that Magico uses in their surrounds?

    2) How does Magico know that the foam surrounds will last several decades? Have they exposed the surrounds to humid environments, UV lights, and ozone and determined that that surrounds did not fail after exposure that would be typical after a 20 lifetime?

    3) Maybe I am being a bit conservative here, but using a less durable material on a $75000 MSRP speakers seems perplexing to me. Do other manufacturers use foam surrounds at this price point?

    If I buy this speaker I am planning on keeping it for several decades. There is no guarantee that if the surrounds fail after 15-20 years that one will be able to source new surrounds; Magico might not even be in business 20 years from now to source new drivers. Hence my concerns and questions.

    Lastly, I am not being critical of Magico's decision, but trying to understand what materials were used and what tests were performed on the newer foam surrounds to guarantee their longevity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exupgh12 View Post
    Henry, what you're saying might indeed be true regarding the 150-400Hz range (of course, it greatly depends on the room), but have you had the chance to listen to the latest S3 with the new S-Sub? At last year's Munich High End show, I had the opportunity to hear Magico demonstrate both in a large room, and the results were exceptional.
    I have no doubt that a good sub can do wonders. I am just saying that S3 + Sub doesn't equal an S5. Depending on the room, a good sub can benefit any full-range loudspeaker (S5 included), but not in the power region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john1970 View Post
    Why did Magico switch to foam surrounds in the latest versions (S3 2023 and S5 2024) of the S-series speakers?

    Dear Everyone:

    As a Magico S5 Mk2 owner I am considering upgrading to the newer version. However, after reading last night I discovered that on the newer speakers that Magico switched to using a foam surrounds on the midrange and woofers. My Mk2 version have rubber surrounds.

    From what I have read on-line modern foam surrounds are made from polyether and they generally last 15-20 years while in contrast rubber surrounds can readily last 30-40 years.

    I have read commentary that Magico's foam surrounds will last several decades.

    A few questions I have:

    1) Does anyone have technical specifications on the type of foam that Magico uses in their surrounds?

    2) How does Magico know that the foam surrounds will last several decades? Have they exposed the surrounds to humid environments, UV lights, and ozone and determined that that surrounds did not fail after exposure that would be typical after a 20 lifetime?

    3) Maybe I am being a bit conservative here, but using a less durable material on a $75000 MSRP speakers seems perplexing to me. Do other manufacturers use foam surrounds at this price point?

    If I buy this speaker I am planning on keeping it for several decades. There is no guarantee that if the surrounds fail after 15-20 years that one will be able to source new surrounds; Magico might not even be in business 20 years from now to source new drivers. Hence my concerns and questions.

    Lastly, I am not being critical of Magico's decision, but trying to understand what materials were used and what tests were performed on the newer foam surrounds to guarantee their longevity.
    I don’t believe its a concern as Magico knows by the time you upgrade to a Mk4 the surrounds will still be perfect.


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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
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    I don’t believe its a concern as Magico knows by the time you upgrade to a Mk4 the surrounds will still be perfect.


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    Given the (almost) $30K price increase from the S5 Mk2 to the S5 Mk3, I would NOT consider an upgrade to the Mk4 if and when it comes out. I plan to retire in the next six years so this purchase would have to last a good 25 years for the ROI to make sense. Otherwise, I will just keep the Mk2 which are no slouch of a loudspeaker by any means.

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