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    Re: MAGICO M9ís

    Well that looks pretty good - really good.

    Wonder what it sounds like?
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    Re: MAGICO M9ís

    Nice photo. Four CH Precision M1 monoblocks driving them. Magico needs to trickle their new driver technology down to their M Series and S Series pronto. Right now, only the M9 and A5 have it.

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    That has to be a million dollar setup.


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    Re: MAGICO M9ís

    Not sure about the looks, for a Magico I mean. It looks more like a B&O product imo. Personally knowing squat about magico or their design goals I'm truly no authority, but this doesn't look like an evolution of previous products to me.
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    I would prefer to hear this with four MSB M500 monos!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve59 View Post
    Not sure about the looks, for a Magico I mean. It looks more like a B&O product imo. Personally knowing squat about magico or their design goals I'm truly no authority, but this doesn't look like an evolution of previous products to me.
    Since you just stated you don't know squat about Magico or their design goals, why would you state that the M9 doesn't look like an evolution of previous products?
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    I wonder what they would sound like with four MSB M500s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Man, there's all sorts of distortion goin' on in that photograph. Also the camera is not level nor centered with respect to the subject (the optical axis of the lens is pointed to the left).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Man, there's all sorts of distortion goin' on in that photograph. Also the camera is not level nor centered with respect to the subject (the optical axis of the lens is pointed to the left).
    Are you trying to get hired by Magico to be their photographer?
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    Mike, is it all for sale?
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    Re: MAGICO M9ís

    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Mike, is it all for sale?
    If I remember the room correctly that is the Magico factory showroom.

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    Re: MAGICO M9ís

    Quote Originally Posted by Dizzie View Post
    If I remember the room correctly that is the Magico factory showroom.
    It sure is! I canít wait to hear them.


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    I listened to an S5, S7 comparison in that room. I bet whoever sets up the room gets a good workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    Are you trying to get hired by Magico to be their photographer?
    That's actually a good idea. They're local, just down the road. I should reach out to them about that. They could use some shots of their room that are at least "square", level, and lit properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    That's actually a good idea. They're local, just down the road. I should reach out to them about that. They could use some shots of their room that are at least "square", level, and lit properly.
    You could really help them PUMA!
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    I think Alon is a professional photographer. I saw his studio. Itís incredible.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    That's actually a good idea. They're local, just down the road. I should reach out to them about that. They could use some shots of their room that are at least "square", level, and lit properly.
    LOL, donít forget to bring your Phaseone (I think), technical camera

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    ALON WOLF PHOTOGRAPHY


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think Alon is a professional photographer. I saw his studio. It’s incredible.


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    That may be, but that photo of the "showroom" is certainly not up to professional standards, by any stretch...

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    agreed, not to mention the angle of the photo highlights the 'wire mess' behind the racks. Regardless, I for one think the speakers are borderline 'fugly' .............flame suit on !
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    That may be, but that photo of the "showroom" is certainly not up to professional standards, by any stretch...
    I think it was meant to be a quick and dirty iPhone shot. Iím happy to see the M9ís in the wild! Gives a great perspective.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I think it was meant to be a quick and dirty iPhone shot. Iím happy to see the M9ís in the wild! Gives a great perspective.

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    Yep, that was my thought as well.

    I've been doing a lot of professional RE and Architectural Photography for the last year or so I see "everything" with respect to "problems", including color contamination. I just "can't not see it" anymore...LOL.

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    I don’t know Mike. It sure looks a lot like a fattened up YG Sonja.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    I donít know Mike. It sure looks a lot like a fattened up YG Sonja.
    No flat surfaces that I can see on the M9.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    No flat surfaces that I can see on the M9.
    The Sonja surfaces are not flat either (only top and bottom plate), curves are more sublte, I can agree with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    agreed, not to mention the angle of the photo highlights the 'wire mess' behind the racks. Regardless, I for one think the speakers are borderline 'fugly' .............flame suit on !
    For me M2 and M3 are really attractive. But the M9 doesn't cut it looks wise. IMHO of course. (For the record, I am a Magico owner.)

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    It’s always hard to tell from a photo how big it actually is, would have to see it in person. I like the basic shape. And I am sure it will sound incredible. Notice that the tweeter is quite low, so if thats an indicator, it is a big one. I am sure small rooms and small wallets need not apply.
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    Its a serious build , plenty tech in the approach, but yet it’s Still a lot of money and speaker for a single point source tweeter ...

    Interesting to see how it competes with the other Top tier products like the large MBL’s for eg ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGabriel View Post
    Itís always hard to tell from a photo how big it actually is, would have to see it in person. I like the basic shape. And I am sure it will sound incredible. Notice that the tweeter is quite low, so if thats an indicator, it is a big one. I am sure small rooms and small wallets need not apply.
    Yeah, judging from the speaker's size relative to the size of the racks, the M9 looks to be between 5'9" and 6' tall.

    So, that would likely put the tweeter at or near ear level when seated. And I would agree it would need to be in quite a large (long from front to back) and fairly tall room and well away from the side & front walls, or there'd be all sorts of room mode problems from those big drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Its a serious build , plenty tech in the approach, but yet itís Still a lot of money and speaker for a single point source tweeter ...
    Single point source tweeters are good; in fact, optimal. Multiple tweeters just make driver integration and front baffle design more complex.

    From a systems engineering perspective, simpler solutions to achieve functionality are better than more complex ones. There is less possibility of interactions with other control factors (e.g,, the other drivers, front baffle, and cabinet), less susceptibility to noise factors (factors which move the speaker's response off-target and/or add variance, which the control factors then have to try to fix), and better reliability and durability.

    In engineering, the point is not to use as much tech as possible to provide the optimal functional response, it's to use as little tech as possible to achieve the functional response. This makes systems simpler, more effective and efficient, allows them to be on-target with minimal variation in a wider variety of use- or environmental cases and less subject to the impact of noise factors, and gets them closer to the concept of "ideality" as described by Altschuler's TRIZ (theory of inventive problem-solving).

    It also makes products more reliable and durable as there is less stuff to break and go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Single point source tweeters are good; in fact, optimal. Multiple tweeters just make driver integration and front baffle design more complex.

    From a systems engineering perspective, simpler solutions to achieve functionality are better than more complex ones. There is less possibility of interactions with other control factors (e.g,, the other drivers, front baffle, and cabinet), less susceptibility to noise factors (factors which move the speaker's response off-target and/or add variance, which the control factors then have to try to fix), and better reliability and durability.

    In engineering, the point is not to use as much tech as possible to provide the optimal functional response, it's to use as little tech as possible to achieve the functional response. This makes systems simpler, more effective and efficient, allows them to be on-target with minimal variation in a wider variety of use- or environmental cases and less subject to the impact of noise factors, and gets them closer to the concept of "ideality" as described by Altschuler's TRIZ (theory of inventive problem-solving).

    It also makes products more reliable and durable as there is less stuff to break and go wrong.
    As a retired software engineers, I agree with this. My philosophy is 'Simplicity succeeds, complexity fails.'

    Of course speakers that require two amplifiers each to work don't meet that standard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Yeah, judging from the speaker's size relative to the size of the racks, the M9 looks to be between 5'9" and 6' tall.

    So, that would likely put the tweeter at or near ear level when seated. And I would agree it would need to be in quite a large (long from front to back) and fairly tall room and well away from the side & front walls, or there'd be all sorts of room mode problems from those big drivers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Single point source tweeters are good; in fact, optimal. Multiple tweeters just make driver integration and front baffle design more complex.

    From a systems engineering perspective, simpler solutions to achieve functionality are better than more complex ones. There is less possibility of interactions with other control factors (e.g,, the other drivers, front baffle, and cabinet), less susceptibility to noise factors (factors which move the speaker's response off-target and/or add variance, which the control factors then have to try to fix), and better reliability and durability.

    In engineering, the point is not to use as much tech as possible to provide the optimal functional response, it's to use as little tech as possible to achieve the functional response. This makes systems simpler, more effective and efficient, allows them to be on-target with minimal variation in a wider variety of use- or environmental cases and less subject to the impact of noise factors, and gets them closer to the concept of "ideality" as described by Altschuler's TRIZ (theory of inventive problem-solving).

    It also makes products more reliable and durable as there is less stuff to break and go wrong.
    Yes single point source is simple and easier to do and thats my point , its too simple for such a SOTA attempt , multiple tweeters lower thd and have much better dynamic expression and recovery to keep up with the larger driver area supporting the other frequencies..

    This is obvious to me when hearing the large MBL’s or other linesource type Speakers ..

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    Yes single point source is simple and easier to do and thats my point , its too simple for such a SOTA attempt , multiple tweeters lower thd and have much better dynamic expression and recovery to keep up with the larger driver area supporting the other frequencies..

    This is obvious to me when hearing the large MBL’s or other linesource type Speakers ..
    Well, the M9 isn't a line source speaker. And there are other major speaker brands that have chosen single point tweeter designs for their SOTA flagships, e.g., Wilson, YG Acoustics, Rockport, Gryphon, Tidal, etc. I don't think their approaches are 'too simple' - just maybe not what appeals to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Well, the M9 isn't a line source speaker. And there are other major speaker brands that have chosen single point tweeter designs for their SOTA flagships, e.g., Wilson, YG Acoustics, Rockport, Gryphon, Tidal, etc. I don't think their approaches are 'too simple' - just maybe not what appeals to you.
    And, not to forget TAD, Dynaudio, Harbeth, Vivid, etc., who know also know a thing or two about speakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Yes single point source is simple and easier to do and thats my point , its too simple for such a SOTA attempt , multiple tweeters lower thd and have much better dynamic expression and recovery to keep up with the larger driver area supporting the other frequencies..

    This is obvious to me when hearing the large MBLís or other linesource type Speakers ..
    Complexity for the sake of complexity is not a wise nor effective philosophy for design or functionality. For anything. Especially for manufactured products that have to be kept in statistical control in Ops. All that increased complexity does is increase variance and occurence of failure modes, decrease reliability and durability, drive up COPQ, and decrease profit.

    The simpler, the more a design can approach Altschuler's Principle of Ideality, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Well, the M9 isn't a line source speaker. And there are other major speaker brands that have chosen single point tweeter designs for their SOTA flagships, e.g., Wilson, YG Acoustics, Rockport, Gryphon, Tidal, etc. I don't think their approaches are 'too simple' - just maybe not what appeals to you.
    Puma said simple i carried the theme , simple is relative to the more complex linesource multi tweeter setups ..

    Simple is good , but not too simple ...!

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    I’m happy to see the M9’s in the wild!
    I don't think the Manufacturers private listening room qualifies as "in the wild"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Iím happy to see the M9ís in the wild!
    I don't think the Manufacturers private listening room qualifies as "in the wild"

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    I don't think the Manufacturers private listening room qualifies as "in the wild"
    Well before, all weíve been getting is static pics, nothing showing them to scale next to racks and gear.


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    Well before, all we’ve been getting is static pics, nothing showing them to scale next to racks and gear.


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    Last time I checked, any stills photograph is a "static" pic. But, I fully agree, Mike, that photographs that convey their scale and dimensions are important as part of the advertising portfolio of images. Some professional-quality lifestyle photographs would go a long way here...

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    Another duplicate post....sorry, gang. The website gremlins are acting up again.

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    Some professional-quality lifestyle photographs would go a long way here...
    That would depend upon whose lifestyle. Certainly not mine.

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    considering one direction sarasota?
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    considering one direction sarasota?
    I wish! Iíll buy my seriously interested customers a first class ticket to the factory to audition them.

    Of course, Magico could do what MBL did and give me a pair.

    M9 road show!!!


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    credit is cheap currently if you change mind
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    credit is cheap currently if you change mind
    I know, I know. Just imagine how good the M9 demo will be at the factory followed by a factory tour.


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