Many thanks for the feedback. May I ask what was the full system including cables etc?
Magico M6
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Many thanks for the feedback. May I ask what was the full system including cables etc?
To me this is the holy grail for speakers. So the M6s sound completely boxless?
The system was the Esoteric Grandioso K1 Player/DAC and G1 Master Clock; Grandioso C1 Preamp; and Grandioso M1 Monoblock Amps. The cables were Cardas Clear Beyond.
Ken
Completely boxless. The Magnepan 30.7 were optimally set up in another room and I went over for awhile and listened to them on Pass Labs X-600.8’s. The M6’s sounded more like planar speakers in terms of speed, soundstage and boxlessness than the planars! Except that the M6’s had tremendous weight in the bass and images that were placed with pinpoint accuracy. The M6’s beat the 30.7’s significantly in every single category. They are on a different planet.
Ken
Was this at Overture in DE? If so , I guess that since they are no longer a Spectral dealer that their reference in solid state electronics is now the Esoteric Grandioso line.
Yes. Both sets of speakers were in optimally sized rooms and paired with synergistic components to sound their very best. Your method of comparison would result in compromised performance for one set or both sets of speakers.
The 30.7’s were well set up with the proper components in the dealer’s “Magnepan Room”, which has historically brought out the best sound for this brand. They sounded excellent. But the M6’s were head and shoulders above them in every way in my opinion. They are on an entirely different level as well they should be with the price difference.
Ken
Ken, What were the differences between the two rooms and how the speakers were set up in their respective rooms? There must be a brand of electronics that would work well with both speakers, perhaps Spectral/MIT, but there are no dealers who carry both Spectral and the M6 as far as I know. I do wonder what the M6s would sound like with the Pass amps.
Correct and correct. They were so busy with all their other listening rooms that they actually let me run the Grandioso/M6 demo for the entire event. It was a lot of fun.
Ken
So the Pass X600's are synergistic with Magnepans, but not optimal. And consequently, the quality of sources - both different, apparently - doesn't really matter. :weird: Did it occur to anyone that perhaps each system was put together based on both sonic merit AND comparable price to the speakers demo'd? And that other than that, they can only be compared as systems, not just speakers? You also say the 30.7's sound "excellent", Mike says they are "stinkers" :hey: but I bet he's kidding.
Hi Peter,
The main difference was the size of the two rooms and the bass traps and tube traps. I had previously heard the 30.7’s in their big room (approx. 30’ x 20’) and they sounded terrible, even though they had removed a substantial number of the tube and bass traps. The room was just too large and the 30.7’s sounded lifeless with no bass. In their smaller Magnepan room (approx. 22’ x 15’) that had only modest treatments, bass response was ideal and the 30.7’s came to life. Speaker placement was nearer to the sidewalls to get increased bass response.
The M6’s had no issues filling the big room with plentiful bass with the full compliment of tube and bass traps in place. Sound quality was ideal. Speaker placement was pretty standard. They were previously running the M6’s on the Pass X-600.8’s. They said the M6’s sounded better on the Grandioso gear.
Ken
Who said the Magnepan 30.7’s setup was not optimal? I said the room setup in the Magnepan Room was optimal and they sounded excellent. I have listened to the Magnepan 30.7’s in two different rooms on the ARC Ref 160M’s and the Pass X-600.8’s. In my opinion, the sonic performance of the 30.7’s is not in the same ballpark as the M6’s. And I’ve always been a big Magnepan fan and have owned them too. I suggest you listen for yourself if you doubt my conclusions.
Ken
Fascinating way to tell one speaker from another: just set them up in different systems and rooms, with what is subjectively synergistic and optimal components, sources apparently do not matter, and evidently if the X600's are optimal on the Magnepans, the better Pass amps would not be - or do we have "optimal" and then "more optimal"?
Thank you Ken, and thanks for your report. Sounds like you had a fun day and heard a tremendous system. It is fascinating how room size and acoustic treatment can so affect sonics for different speaker typologies. I agree with you that the best way to form opinions is to do your own evaluations. I was not aware that any dealers actually have the M6. I thought potential customers were simply encouraged to visit the Magico factory and hear the speaker in that setting.
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I would assume the M6s sound great with any adequate amplification. Depends on personal preferences what gets the nod.
Heard them in Munich with Soulution. Digital was phenomenal, vinyl was mind bogglingly good.
After that session I was basically done with the show. No use to roam any further, as anything else sounded inadequate.
Heard them in Munich with Soulution. Digital was phenomenal, vinyl was mind bogglingly good.
After that session I was basically done with the show. No use to roam any further, as anything else sounded inadequate.
Ummm, translated means, which was better?