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    Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Hi there music lovers and specialists,

    I would like to have your advice to choose the right Lumin. I have been doing a lot of research these days. First I thought I need a T2 but basically, I think I need a Lumin D2 or a Lumin U1 mini. But here is the whole story.

    My system is modest compared to what you might have but I think it's a decent system:
    - Bowers & Wilkins CM8 powered by a Marantz PM6004 amp;
    - A Marantz ND8006 (which I use as a DAC only because I really don't appreciate Heos);
    - Headphones Sony Z1R powered by a Sony TA-ZH1ES headphone DAC-amp (please note that I will always use this Sony DAC for my headphones).

    So now of course I need a Lumin to stream my music.
    - 1st scenario I get a Lumin D2 and I use it as a DAC for my CM8 speakers instead of my Marantz ND8006. I will use its coaxial out to run my Sony headphone as a DAC-amp for my Sony headphones.
    - 2nd scenario I get a Lumin U1 mini and I use it as a transporter to run my Marantz ND8006 and Sony headphone DAC-amp (most likely via USB for these 2 DACs).

    So what's your advice here? A Lumin D2 or a Lumin U1 mini?

    Some miscellaneous questions here to help you advise me the right device:
    - In the Lumin U1 mini, is it possible to use the 2 USB outputs at the same time? Is there any interference when using 2 USB outputs? Is it preferable to use one USB output and one other output than USB eg. optical or coaxial?
    - What is the most recent device? U1 mini or D2? Are the 2 devices well updated and well supported by Lumin?
    - Is the Lumin D2 too small? What about the avoidance of electrical interferences in this device? D2 has the same size than U1 mini but it has also a DAC in it.
    - Are the 2 devices equally quick to read HiRes music, connect and play Airplay music, connect and play NAS music?
    - When the Lumin U1 mini is used to decode MQA music, is the signal that it will send to the Marantz ND8006 already in HiRes-like format and will the Marantz ND8006 handle it as a HiRes-like format (Marantz ND8006 does HiRes of course but not MQA)?

    A big thank you for your help.
    Best,
    skbe

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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Lumin D2.


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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Thank you very much Mike. But I would really appreciate some detailed answers to my questions if by chance you have the time to do so. The input of Peter would also be greatly appreciated. Best

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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by skbe View Post
    Hi there music lovers and specialists,

    I would like to have your advice to choose the right Lumin. I have been doing a lot of research these days. First I thought I need a T2 but basically, I think I need a Lumin D2 or a Lumin U1 mini. But here is the whole story.

    My system is modest compared to what you might have but I think it's a decent system:
    - Bowers & Wilkins CM8 powered by a Marantz PM6004 amp;
    - A Marantz ND8006 (which I use as a DAC only because I really don't appreciate Heos);
    - Headphones Sony Z1R powered by a Sony TA-ZH1ES headphone DAC-amp (please note that I will always use this Sony DAC for my headphones).

    So now of course I need a Lumin to stream my music.
    - 1st scenario I get a Lumin D2 and I use it as a DAC for my CM8 speakers instead of my Marantz ND8006. I will use its coaxial out to run my Sony headphone as a DAC-amp for my Sony headphones.
    - 2nd scenario I get a Lumin U1 mini and I use it as a transporter to run my Marantz ND8006 and Sony headphone DAC-amp (most likely via USB for these 2 DACs).

    So what's your advice here? A Lumin D2 or a Lumin U1 mini?

    LUMIN D2

    Some miscellaneous questions here to help you advise me the right device:
    - In the Lumin U1 mini, is it possible to use the 2 USB outputs at the same time? Is there any interference when using 2 USB outputs? Is it preferable to use one USB output and one other output than USB eg. optical or coaxial?

    Yes you can.

    - What is the most recent device? U1 mini or D2? Are the 2 devices well updated and well supported by Lumin?

    Both came out about the same time.

    - Is the Lumin D2 too small? What about the avoidance of electrical interferences in this device? D2 has the same size than U1 mini but it has also a DAC in it.

    Hey man, at this price point, trade offís have to be made. The PSU is internal. Donít worry about electrical interferences. Just donít stack it on another power supply or power conditioner.

    - Are the 2 devices equally quick to read HiRes music, connect and play Airplay music, connect and play NAS music?

    Yes. Same speed. Fast.

    - When the Lumin U1 mini is used to decode MQA music, is the signal that it will send to the Marantz ND8006 already in HiRes-like format and will the Marantz ND8006 handle it as a HiRes-like format (Marantz ND8006 does HiRes of course but not MQA)?

    It will be 2/3 of full unfold MQA. In this scenario.

    A big thank you for your help.
    Best,
    skbe
    See my answers above. Are there no Lumin dealers in France?


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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Yes indeed there are dealers in France

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    - When the Lumin U1 mini is used to decode MQA music, is the signal that it will send to the Marantz ND8006 already in HiRes-like format and will the Marantz ND8006 handle it as a HiRes-like format (Marantz ND8006 does HiRes of course but not MQA)?

    It will be 2/3 of full unfold MQA. In this scenario.
    Mike thanks again. Can you please be more precise about this.
    What 2/3 of full unfold means?
    We are in scenario 2 ie Lumin U1 mini as a transporter and Marantz ND8006 as a DAC. You say that full MQA decoding is better in D2 than U1 doing it and sending it already decoded and prepared to Marantz ND8006?

    Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skbe View Post
    Mike thanks again. Can you please be more precise about this.
    What 2/3 of full unfold means?
    We are in scenario 2 ie Lumin U1 mini as a transporter and Marantz ND8006 as a DAC. You say that full MQA decoding is better in D2 than U1 doing it and sending it already decoded and prepared to Marantz ND8006?

    Thanks!
    You need to research MQA. Tidal does first unfold. Computer/Lumin does second unfold. Your Marantz will not do the third and final unfold. The Lumin D2 will.


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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    You need to research MQA. Tidal does first unfold. Computer/Lumin does second unfold. Your Marantz will not do the third and final unfold. The Lumin D2 will.


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    Thanks. I think you answered the question undirectly. U1 mini does not do full unfold (ie the last third unfold in your example) of MQA ready to be read by the Marantz. You confirm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by skbe View Post
    Thanks. I think you answered the question undirectly. U1 mini does not do full unfold (ie the last third unfold in your example) of MQA ready to be read by the Marantz. You confirm?
    Confirmed.


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    Re: Need help to choose the right Lumin

    Question to all. What is the importance of this 3rd unfold?
    Does it really matter?

 

 
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