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    Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio





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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Very cool. Please let us know what your initial impressions are, Mike.

    BTW, I'm getting one in for review in TAS after the Aurender N20 review.

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Very cool. Please let us know what your initial impressions are, Mike.

    BTW, I'm getting one in for review in TAS after the Aurender N20 review.
    Will do. We are letting it run in over the holidays before sitting down for a good listen. Really like the remote and the clean look. The size works too. We are actually going to use it with the MSB 205 monos that are arriving soon. All in the Shunyata room in the store.


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    This was the Lumin piece I was looking for during the summer when I decided to purchase the Grimm mu1. I would have purchased this piece.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Do the analog inputs stay in the analog domain or is there a conversion to digital? I am interested in hearing how this stacks up to the Esoteric N-05XD. I could eliminate a lot of boxes with one of these solutions. Hmmmmmm…
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    Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by MPW View Post
    Do the analog inputs stay in the analog domain or is there a conversion to digital? I am interested in hearing how this stacks up to the Esoteric N-05XD. I could eliminate a lot of boxes with one of these solutions. Hmmmmmm…
    It stays in the analog domain as far as I know. Peter?


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Go back to enjoying your Christmas Eve frivolities Mike. No need to bother with this stuff tonight!
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by MPW View Post
    Do the analog inputs stay in the analog domain or is there a conversion to digital?
    Analog inputs are converted to digital, because we believe the benefits of Leedh Processing Volume over a traditional analog volume control at this price point outweighs the impact from digital conversion.

    The success of Leedh Processing Volume in many customer systems proved this: usual means to do reasonably priced analog volume control can cause great damage to SQ. In one customer feedback he found the Leedh Processing Volume to be better than his $10K preamp.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Analog inputs are converted to digital.
    Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio


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    Appears like Lumin is moving away from the brushed finish to a bead blasted finish all the way around?

    I also noticed that my newest X1 came triple boxed and the power umbilical has a plastic sheath. Little progressive changes.

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    I’m curious about the future X1 replacement. It better be even better audio performance and not just streaming functionality.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Edited post #8 to add explanation.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Edited post #8 to add explanation.
    Thanks. Makes sense.


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    When i tried the Leedh processing from the X1 over the pre-amp section in my Accuphase E-470 i was amazed what that brought so now i am only using the Amp section of the Accuphase and no way i will use the pre-amp in it again.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Will do. We are letting it run in over the holidays before sitting down for a good listen. Really like the remote and the clean look. The size works too. We are actually going to use it with the MSB 205 monos that are arriving soon. All in the Shunyata room in the store.

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    Thank, Mike. I'll post my initial observations once it arrives. My plan is to finish the Aurender N20 review this holiday period, preferably by the weekend; then get it shipped back to the distributor.

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Thank, Mike. I'll post my initial observations once it arrives. My plan is to finish the Aurender N20 review this holiday period, preferably by the weekend; then get it shipped back to the distributor.
    The N20 is superb!


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Analog inputs are converted to digital, because we believe the benefits of Leedh Processing Volume over a traditional analog volume control at this price point outweighs the impact from digital conversion.

    The success of Leedh Processing Volume in many customer systems proved this: usual means to do reasonably priced analog volume control can cause great damage to SQ. In one customer feedback he found the Leedh Processing Volume to be better than his $10K preamp.
    Thanks for the information Peter. I’m a bit surprised about the analog to digital conversion but I will let my ears make the sound judgement. Look forward to listening to the P1.
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    I’m curious about the future X1 replacement. It better be even better audio performance and not just streaming functionality.
    Bud - Realizing that this is a Lumin thread, I would suggest you give the Esoteric N-01XD a listen. Yes, it’s more $ than the X1 but in my system, as good as the X1 is, the N-01XD exceeded the musical presentation and features of the Lumin (and I’ve been a consistent customer and supporter of Lumin products).
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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The N20 is superb!


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    Yes, it sure is. Listening to it right now, as a matter of fact. With the Constellation Inspiration integrated and the Holo May DAC.

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    Yes, it sure is. Listening to it right now, as a matter of fact. With the Constellation Inspiration integrated and the Holo May DAC.
    I was Aurender dealer #4 in the nation and I’ve been waving the flag ever since. Like Lumin and Esoteric and MSB, they do a fabulous job with digital.


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I was Aurender dealer #4 in the nation and I’ve been waving the flag ever since. Like Lumin and Esoteric and MSB, they do a fabulous job with digital.
    Agreed 100%!

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Lumin P1 review by highfidelity.pl
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    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
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    Great review, Peter. Congratulations! It seems from the review that the volume control is a convenience for external input sources but the reviewer still prefers a good external preamp. But he loves Leedh, as do I in my X1. I’m wondering if it’s beneficial to use a combination of Leedh and a good preamp’s volume control, or just using solely one or the other. Peter, do many use the combination?

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    Normally I suggest using either one but not both. Occasionally I come across users doing this. If the use of the preamp volume control is preferred, in some cases lowering the Lumin volume by a little amount may help with getting the preamp to work in its best volume control range, or help with a too much gain issue.

    With some particular DAC, lowering the volume by 3dB (i.e. Lumin volume 94) may help with the harshness with some particular recordings due to a DAC issue known as intersample overs (clipping).
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    Hey Mike, how does it sound?


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    Hey Mike, how does it sound?


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    Not sure yet. I’ll give it a listen this week. I’ve been off this past week.


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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Great review, Peter! Congratulations. Now why did I buy that fancy MasterSound tube preamp when I can just use my X1 with Leedh processing direct into my power amp and achieve stellar results?

    I sure wish there was an option to upgrade my X1 to provide the same connectivity features as the P1. Any chance of that happening, Peter?

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    You'll need to keep the tube pre if tube sound signature is what you desire.

    The various inputs require a new hardware design, so it's impossible to provide that as an add-on I'm afraid.
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    I thought so but can’t hurt to ask, right?

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    I'm supposed to be getting the P1 in for review at TAS some time here, in the near future.

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    I'm supposed to be getting the P1 in for review at TAS some time here in the near future.

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    Re: Lumin P1 arrives at Suncoast Audio

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    I'm supposed to be getting the P1 in for review at TAS some time here in the near future.
    We really like the P1. I’ll report more later. But it’s a “win” in my books. I hope the Lumin app gets a refresh soon.


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