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    LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    We have released LUMIN Firmware 12 to add the multi-room feature, which allows loosely synchronized playback of music among several LUMIN or Songcast-compatible players (e.g. Linn).

    - Any LUMIN model can be a 'Receiver'
    - LUMIN X1 / T2 / D2 / U1 / U1 MINI / M1 can all be 'Senders' (the reason other models cannot be a sender was that they do not possess enough processing power)

    An interesting technical aspect of our implementation is that a LUMIN sender model can perform MQA Core decoding ("first unfold") or DSD to PCM transcoding before sending to Linn players via Songcast protocol. This is noteworthy because Linn does not support MQA, and old Linn players did not support DSD.

    Release notes and usage instructions on our web page should be up shortly.

    A convenience switching feature is also added to LUMIN M1 for the RCA input. You may now use the LUMIN iOS app or Linn Kazoo app to switch its input to RCA. It could also be done by standby / wakeup or re-plugging in the RCA input module.

    This marks 7 years of firmware upgrade since the original LUMIN (December 2012).
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    You guys rock!!!!!! That’s awesome!!!!


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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    What does this mean? I have an X1 in my stereo, and an S1 in my HT/spare stereo. Does this mean a song playing on the X1 will also play on the S1? If so then I guess that means both units have to be on the network. I use my Ethernet connection on the X1 to attach my hard drive with all the music.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    We have released LUMIN Firmware 12 ...
    This marks 7 years of firmware upgrade since the original LUMIN (December 2012).
    When the app said Firmware 12 was available but there were no release notes on your web page, I came here. Very cool you posted what this release was about! Thanks for being so involved with the community on all the different forums. Here’s to another 7 years, and more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    What does this mean? I have an X1 in my stereo, and an S1 in my HT/spare stereo. Does this mean a song playing on the X1 will also play on the S1? If so then I guess that means both units have to be on the network.
    Yes, you can send music from X1 to S1 on the same network for simultaneous playback, if both units have the Multi-Room feature turned on.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Lumin t2 has more power than s1?
    Lumin u1 mini has more power than s1?
    Do you still sell s1?
    What is the difference in price between t2 and s1? Between u1 mini and s1?
    Is the sentence «*I don’t want to be a s1 owner for all the whisky in Ireland*» true enough to make it like an advertisement banner?

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    S1 was an earlier product.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    S1 was an earlier product.
    Thanks Peter for this briliant answer. But S1 still being sold at 11.5k€ (I thought I would buy it at one point of time). Maybe you will feel honest saying to future customers that this device has less powerful processing abilities than U1Mini sold at 2k€

    Can you please answer my question about DNS? It is a critical/urgent one

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    I have no problem saying that. Beginning from U1 I already told members here that U1 has a more powerful processor, enabling DSD128 upsampling which previous models could not. Function or processing power do not imply SQ - audiophiles intimately know this, otherwise everybody can just buy the most powerful general purpose PC and use a USB DAC and be done with it.

    I'll see what our decision makers think about configurable DNS, but generally we try our best to avoid putting in technical options.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Thank you. I am still not convinced but hopefully I am not concerned by S1

    DNS is critical. I can’t read Tidal on my Lumin for now. Because my internet provider does not allow DNS configuration. I don’t plan to change Internet provider. So this issue is urgent because I managed to configure the right DNS in ALL my devices except Lumin

    Also my suggestions on the dedicated post I made weeks earlier are still unanswered. This is a kind of disappointing. I would like you Peter to discuss my suggestions with decision makers and give me a feedback please

    Thanks

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Buy your own router instead of using the one provided by your provider and program the DNS yourself. That is what every Xfinity customer in the US has to do when they run into your issues. Much more reasonable than expecting Peter and his people to solve your ISP problems.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Thanks Jack you’re brilliant too.
    Iphone Android Marantz and many other devices allow to change DNS
    These devices are cheaper than Lumin
    When I buy Lumin I expect excellence nothing less
    I believe I am more demanding than you
    Best

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Sure, easier to keep whining than find a solution on your own to a problem that has nothing to do with Lumin. Nothing has changed since you joined this forum. Constant whining and complaining.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    I am expecting more than your answer Jack. I am expecting an answer from Lumin
    When you stop complaining you stop improving
    DNS configuration directly available on a 2k€ or 10k€ device is more logical than me wasting my time buying and installing a 200€ device on my own
    Especially when this is key issue to stream music in some countries

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Well since the compatibility issues between Tidal and certain ISP's is not the problem for Lumin or any other streamer company to solve you may be waiting for quite a while. Replacing the ISP's provided router with one of our own is what I and many others have had to do if we wanted Tidal to work and never even considered that it was the streamer manufacturers problem. As the result I got faster speeds and better coverage as a bonus from a higher quality device. If you are paying a monthly lease fee to your ISP for your router/gateway chances are very good that you can buy the exact same model if you choose from Amazon that won't have the DNS settings hard coded in and without the lease fee it will pay for itself in a short period of time. So your choices at this point are pretty simple.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Well since the compatibility issues between Tidal and certain ISP's is not the problem for Lumin or any other streamer company to solve you may be waiting for quite a while. Replacing the ISP's provided router with one of our own is what I and many others have had to do if we wanted Tidal to work and never even considered that it was the streamer manufacturers problem. As the result I got faster speeds and better coverage as a bonus from a higher quality device. If you are paying a monthly lease fee to your ISP for your router/gateway chances are very good that you can buy the exact same model if you choose from Amazon that won't have the DNS settings hard coded in and without the lease fee it will pay for itself in a short period of time. So your choices at this point are pretty simple.
    whats your problem man??
    do you think I need your advice ?
    you are happy with your device and you are happy with your settings ? Great. Create a thread. Say you are happy!
    but let me speak freely and let me complain if I want to complain
    Again DNS configuration is available in iPhone iPad android and marrantz and others. For me it is not normal that a device like Lumin don’t allow it
    and I ask Lumin for an answer and Peter says he will discuss it with his seniors
    so now there is no need for a discussion between you and me Jack. You understand ?
    come on !!

    edit : for Lumin admins, sorry that this discussion takes place in this thread which is dedicated to Multi room. There is a thread for DNS I created. So Peter, we can develop this discussion in this thread if needed

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    IMHO there is merit to keeping things - including and maybe especially software - as simple as possible. It simplifies testing (including new releases), improves reliability, helps contain costs, and, in the long run, promotes greater user satisfaction. This is the well known KISS principle. Desirable features in wide use are one thing, but bells and whistles to satisfy outlier 'requirements' should be avoided, especially when alternative solutions make more sense.

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Sorry it does not make more sense to buy a new router especially when you spend a lot of money for a product like Lumin - I am of course aware of this alternative
    Maybe let Lumin software designers speak
    I am not expert. I need explanation. And the question is quite simple.
    Why DNS configuration is implemented in every device I use including phones, pc, network usb DAC and even TV and not available yet in a device as advanced and configurable as a Lumin ? I don’t think it is so hard to implement
    And DNS is not the last thing I complain about - I have a list of suggestions in a dedicated thread : hardware remote control, airplay display of song information, lock screen notification and app appearance improvements

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Why dont you just go out and find a product that can do what you want it to do...skbe !
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    Peter -

    You guys at Lumin are terrific. No software product is perfect but you go out of your way to listen to your customers and users to consistently improve the capabilities and stability of your app - well done!

    In my immediate family, we have purchased three Lumins (1 S1 and 2 X1s). All three have been fantastic performers.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Quote Originally Posted by skbe View Post
    I am not expert. I need explanation. And the question is quite simple.
    Why DNS configuration is implemented in every device I use including phones, pc, network usb DAC and even TV and not available yet in a device as advanced and configurable as a Lumin ?
    The Lumin is a music file player, not a networking device. Use the right tool for the job.
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Basic question here...What is the process to update the firmware on my U1 and U1 mini? "Check for Firmware Updates" is "Yes" and I'd like to get to 12 from 11.5b.

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    [QUOTE "Check for Firmware Updates" is "Yes" and I'd like to get to 12 from 11.5b.[/QUOTE]

    Put "NO" and put "YES" again
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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Worked like a charm. Thank you!

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    I agree. Lumin service is stellar. I'm still cranking my D1 with an S Booster power supply and couldn't be happier. I wanted to try MQA and this was a great way to get it into my system and compare to my other DACs. 99% of my listening is streamed through Tidal and the DAC is a quintessential component which can really enhance listening pleasure, IMHO.

    Jack, can you recommend a replacement router for my Xfinity router? I'm tired of renting mine!

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    Re: LUMIN Firmware 12 - Multi-room

    Rob

    You can buy the same exact models they rent on Amazon if you are using their phone service if not then one of the tri-band models that have the antenna's on all four corners. I have used TP Link successfully for years for routers but the Netgear and Asus models are more popular. But they have the same Arris models you are renting.
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