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    EtherRegen network switch

    Anyone using one of these with your Lumin? How much SQ improvements (if any) did you hear?
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Yes, I am using one.
    Along with the AfterDark clock and power supply. With all, it seems to be quite an improvement. Biggest surprise was running the fiber to the Lumin, big sound quality upgrade.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    Yes, I am using one.
    Along with the AfterDark clock and power supply. With all, it seems to be quite an improvement. Biggest surprise was running the fiber to the Lumin, big sound quality upgrade.

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    Ozzy,
    Would you think there would be noticeable improvement with the T2?
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    If you decide to get one, please note two things:
    1. The recommended connection is router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI)
    2. Please use unshielded CAT-6 cable

    A number of Lumin users reported they are using it. As for SQ, I don't have any comment as I've never heard it. We do not endorse third party accessories anyway.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    Yes, I am using one.
    Along with the AfterDark clock and power supply. With all, it seems to be quite an improvement. Biggest surprise was running the fiber to the Lumin, big sound quality upgrade.

    ozzy
    Funny how that works.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    If you decide to get one, please note two things:
    1. The recommended connection is router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI)
    2. Please use unshielded CAT-6 cable

    A number of Lumin users reported they are using it. As for SQ, I don't have any comment as I've never heard it. We do not endorse third party accessories anyway.
    Thanks for the advise Peter. I am using a Shunyata Sigma Ethernet cable, which I think is a Cat6, but I think is shielded? Hopefully someone on here can guide me.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    Thanks for the advise Peter. I am using a Shunyata Sigma Ethernet cable, which I think is a Cat6, but I think is shielded? Hopefully someone on here can guide me.
    Don't worry about it. I've used Shunyata Venom, Alpha, Sigma and Omega Ethernet cables with my EtherREGEN, and they're all superb within their respective price classes, and outperform all the other Ethernet cables I tested them against (including AQ, WW, Belden, Supra, etc.)

    Peter's comment about using unshielded Ethernet is, based, I think, on the fact that shielded Ethernet cables where the shields are connected at both ends can carry high-source leakage impedance current generated by SMPS down the shield. This leakage current can cause increased threshold jitter and phase noise, and the impact of this is audible. Moreover, Ethernet cables are also particularly susceptible to "common mode" noise*, and the CMode filter on Shunyata Alpha level and above Ethernet cables ameliorate this noise factor.

    You don't need to worry about these factors with Shunyata Ethernet cables.

    * – Common-mode noise: Differential (Normal) Mode Noise and Common Mode Noise-Causes and Measures

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    I think I will stay with the hard-drive directly connected to my X1. Sounds great, and much less complicated, and much less expensive, than a network connection. The only function of the network for me is to control the X1. That works fine with basic Ethernet hardware.

    However, it just occurred to me that this might be a streaming discussion, and I have never tried that.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    Don't worry about it. I've used Shunyata Venom, Alpha, Sigma and Omega Ethernet cables with my EtherREGEN, and they're all superb within their respective price classes, and outperform all the other Ethernet cables I tested them against (including AQ, WW, Belden, Supra, etc.)

    Peter's comment about using unshielded Ethernet is, based, I think, on the fact that shielded Ethernet cables where the shields are connected at both ends can carry high-source leakage impedance current generated by SMPS down the shield. This leakage current can cause increased threshold jitter and phase noise, and the impact of this is audible. Moreover, Ethernet cables are also particularly susceptible to "common mode" noise*, and the CMode filter on Shunyata Alpha level and above Ethernet cables ameliorate this noise factor.

    You don't need to worry about these factors with Shunyata Ethernet cables.

    * – Common-mode noise: Differential (Normal) Mode Noise and Common Mode Noise-Causes and Measures
    Thank you Puma Cat. I do primarily steaming and use a mesh network as my router is upstairs. I assume the EtherRegen will give improvements in this scenario as well.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    Thank you Puma Cat. I do primarily steaming and use a mesh network as my router is upstairs. I assume the EtherRegen will give improvements in this scenario as well.
    Ohhh, yes, it wiil.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    I think I will stay with the hard-drive directly connected to my X1. Sounds great, and much less complicated, and much less expensive, than a network connection. The only function of the network for me is to control the X1. That works fine with basic Ethernet hardware.

    However, it just occurred to me that this might be a streaming discussion, and I have never tried that.
    If you ever decide to move to NAS to store and play your local music it might also apply
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Puma Cat View Post
    ...Peter's comment about using unshielded Ethernet is, based, I think, on the fact that shielded Ethernet cables where the shields are connected at both ends can carry high-source leakage impedance current generated by SMPS down the shield.
    Doesn't Uptone Audio also recommend unshielded Ethernet cable into the EtherRegen (A-side)? It's in my manual, although there are also the qualifiers you describe.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Doesn't Uptone Audio also recommend unshielded Ethernet cable into the EtherRegen (A-side)? It's in my manual, although there are also the qualifiers you describe.
    They do, but it's for the same reasons I cited above, to prevent the passage of high-source impedance leakage current. However, a shielded Ethernet cable that is not connected at one end is effectively the same as an unshielded cable because it can't pass current. AQ Ethernet cables are shielded, but connected at only one end for this reason, for example.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    I never heard the T2 but I think i t would be an improvement.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    BlueFox,

    I also have a 8TB hard drive connected directed to the Lumin. The Uptone, and etc. is used with the streaming function from Qoboz.

    ozzy

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    BlueFox,

    I also have a 8TB hard drive connected directed to the Lumin. The Uptone, and etc. is used with the streaming function from Quboz.

    ozzy

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    Doesn't Uptone Audio also recommend unshielded Ethernet cable into the EtherRegen (A-side)? It's in my manual, although there are also the qualifiers you describe.
    Using unshielded network cables solved a few user cases of abnormal network behavior when using EtherREGEN. This is not to say that using shielded network cable must cause a problem - most of the time they work.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    I have tested EtherRegen with multiple DACs and it has always been an improvement in my system.

    I use EtherRegen to connect DACs to my home network, both to play music from my NAS drive and all streaming (Tidal).

    Never had any problem with generic Cat.7 and Cat.8 cables (both shielded), although settled on an optical Ethernet from the router to EtherRegen (with TP-Link transmiter) and wired Ethernet from the EtherRegen to whatever DAC I'm using.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    If you decide to get one, please note two things:
    1. The recommended connection is router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI)
    2. Please use unshielded CAT-6 cable

    A number of Lumin users reported they are using it. As for SQ, I don't have any comment as I've never heard it. We do not endorse third party accessories anyway.
    Peter, are your saying I connect the Ethernet from the router to side B, and the Lumin to side A? I thought I read somewhere that I should connect the Lumin to side B.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI) / M1

    router -> side A - EtherREGEN - side B -> Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI) / M1

    router -> side A - EtherREGEN - side B -> Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1
    I am curious why there is a different connection route with the different Lumin models.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    I have previously used A side to X1 converting copper to fiber and worked well, but did not have other active outputs on A side.

    My system has changed a great deal since then. I have added new server, additional switch (PF Buffalo) and additional DAC, Mola Mola Makua, but I still have Lumin X1. I now have fiber coming from PF Buffalo directly to Lumin X1. The etherREGEN now is in use after the PF Buffalo with B side into Antipodes K50 and K50 Direct Stream RJ45 port to Makua. I have found shielded ethernet cable, Audio Sensibility, does not work on A side of etherREGEN, but does on B side, as well as from K50 or directly to Makua from PF Buffalo. I am inquiring with Audio Sensibility, but do suspect it is the shielding/grounding that may not be compatible with A side etherREGEN. I do not have the issue with other ethernet cables I have--generic 5e, Ghent, nor Sablon.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    The Lumin X1 has a direct Fiber connection in the back, which the other units lack. (I think)

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by ozzy View Post
    The Lumin X1 has a direct Fiber connection in the back, which the other units lack. (I think)

    ozzy
    Yep, if you can run fiber into a network bridge or streamer, e.g. the Lumin X1, that's the optimal way to go because there is no possibility of RFI/EMI or...high-source leakage impedance current, which causes threshold jitter, getting through. It won't fix timing errors from phase noise from cheap upstreams clocks, however, e.g. the cheap clocks used in generic or consumer-grade routers, cable modems, Ethernet switches, or fiber media convertors.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    router -> side B - EtherREGEN - side A -> Lumin T2 / X1 / U1 (MINI) / M1

    router -> side A - EtherREGEN - side B -> Lumin S1 / A1 / T1 / D1
    Thank you, Peter. You are always a valuable and accurate source of information for folks.

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    I am curious why there is a different connection route with the different Lumin models.
    Minimize the chance of abnormal network behavior.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by further View Post
    I have found shielded ethernet cable, Audio Sensibility, does not work on A side of etherREGEN
    This is an example of post #17.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    This is an example of post #17.
    I ended up purchasing an EtherRegen. I use Shunyata Ethernet cables. Wow. What a difference!
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    I ended up purchasing an EtherRegen. I use Shunyata Ethernet cables. Wow. What a difference!
    Funny how that works. 👍

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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    I ended up purchasing an EtherRegen. I use Shunyata Ethernet cables. Wow. What a difference!
    Can you break that observation down into EtherRegen with vanilla LAN cable, and no EtherRegen and Shunyata cable? Which alone brings the best improvement?
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Can you break that observation down into EtherRegen with vanilla LAN cable, and no EtherRegen and Shunyata cable? Which alone brings the best improvement?
    I am not sure I understand your question, but I would say if I was only going to make one improvement, I would get the EtherRegen switch. I noticed very subtle improvements when I added the Shunyata sigma v2 cable, but noticed much better bass, treble and soundstage with the EtherRegen.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Which side of EtherREGEN did you use to connect to the T2? Side A or B?
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by wklie View Post
    Which side of EtherREGEN did you use to connect to the T2? Side A or B?
    Side B. Seems to be working fine.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    I am not sure I understand your question...
    Question answered, thanks. I was contemplating buying an EtherRegen and clocking it with my Esoteric master clock generator but I've read a few owner reports of reliability issues, and shady warranty repairs. Instead of the EtherRegen my other option for about the same money is to buy a 10m Shunyata Alpha to connect the end point to the router.
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    Re: EtherRegen network switch

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Question answered, thanks. I was contemplating buying an EtherRegen and clocking it with my Esoteric master clock generator but I've read a few owner reports of reliability issues, and shady warranty repairs. Instead of the EtherRegen my other option for about the same money is to buy a 10m Shunyata Alpha to connect the end point to the router.
    Both good options. I have not had any reliability issues with the EtherRegen thus far.
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