I dont think that any of us have enough information to agree or disagree with you about your particular experience.
My first phone call would be to the Dealer I bought it from. After that I would go the the Manufacturer.
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I dont think that any of us have enough information to agree or disagree with you about your particular experience.
My first phone call would be to the Dealer I bought it from. After that I would go the the Manufacturer.
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I don't know the man, so I can't speak to his character, or lack thereof, but I do believe that he pretty much put Gryphon on the map in the USA. Before he became their distributor, they were all but invisible here.
And I agree: the poor treatment you received as a customer was inexcusable.
GSOphile
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Prior to OHN, Gryphon had withdrawn from the US market for more than 10 years (if memory serves) except for making arrangements to have US-owned units serviced. Due to their international reputation (and following the introduction of the Diablo 300), there were many here who wanted to see them re-establish distribution in the US. It looks like this will continue through a Gryphon owned NA distribution subsidiary, similar to the Luxman model, with goals/dealer terms different from OHN.
Three people whom I respect know Philip O'Hanlon well and speak highly of him.
Bones13
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So sad, I had the Gryphon Essence Stereo on my list for possible end stage amp in my system. I guess I’ll see where my DIY takes me. VFet, and SIT amplifiers a possibility this year. Unsure if class AB amps will be a decent competition. I have sensitive speakers, and a small room.
I don't believe that there is anything "sad" about this. This is a great opportunity for Gryphon to come into a Country that is already familiar with their offerings, lower their prices and sell a boatload. Great for everyone... moving forward that is.
Gryphon is already here and their distributor, On a Higher Note (Phil), and dealer, Suncoast Audio (Mike), did an outstanding job reestablishing the brand here in the USA. They have now jettisoned this successful approach in favor of selling directly to a few dealers who will attempt to sell their speakers as well as their components.
Ken
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THIS.
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There is no room for hurt feelings in Business, you either protect yourself as best as you can or you simply hope for the best. I will say this again, the majority of audio distributors in Canada and the US are not business savvy. Hopefully they made good money and will now move on again, they certainly made plenty with Luxman.
It may be a little too early to say but I am under the impression the Gryphon is establishing Gryphon USA. Meaning they will have people on the ground here with at least a warehouse in the US. This is significantly different than simply shipping items directly to Dealers from overseas. I am confident that any current Dealers who wish to continue on with Gryphon USA will have that opportunity. If most Dealers refuse to carry or sell their speakers then they will either be unsuccessful with the brand or Gryphon will have to reinvent their offerings, its all really very simple.
It may be a little too early to say but I am under the impression the Gryphon is establishing Gryphon USA. Meaning they will have people on the ground here with at least a warehouse in the US. This is significantly different than simply shipping items directly to Dealers from overseas. I am confident that any current Dealers who wish to continue on with Gryphon USA will have that opportunity. If most Dealers refuse to carry or sell their speakers then they will either be unsuccessful with the brand or Gryphon will have to reinvent their offerings, its all really very simple.
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Hope is never a good business strategy. It remains to be seen what is in store for Gryphon in the U.S. moving forward.
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“An invested dealer is a committed dealer.”
It’s a bigger discussion around the whole perception of “all of our stuff is the best, everyone else’s is junk.”
If I owned a golf store, I would sell Nike shoes, but I sure wouldn’t sell Nike golf clubs.
Lots of electronics offerings in “Tier 1” for dealers. And if you think the products that sell, sell by themselves, let me introduce you to a good dealer.
To exemplify this, you only need to look at the numerous fabulous products hoarded by one distributor who has no dealer network and no intention of building one. These products will continue to fly under the radar or at a minimum, be under represented. A dealer of one in a country the size of America does not make a brand.
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Well said and understood Mike, but I think we're getting a bit off topic.
If Gryphon believes that their products, ALL OF THEM, are superior to everyone elses then they will simply not survive as a Company, atleast not here. Unless of course, all of a sudden, their speakers start flying off the shelves and everyone else was wrong. I also don't believe that their intention is to sell direct as you alluded to another "Distributor". Lets see if they have success either maintaining their current or establishing a new solid Dealer base on their own. Time will tell, but I'm confident if their pricing drops by 20-30% then they will quickly find Dealers to bring in 3 speakers all the while selling 5-10 components a month, the speakers can sit and collect dust.
If Gryphon believes that their products, ALL OF THEM, are superior to everyone elses then they will simply not survive as a Company, atleast not here. Unless of course, all of a sudden, their speakers start flying off the shelves and everyone else was wrong. I also don't believe that their intention is to sell direct as you alluded to another "Distributor". Lets see if they have success either maintaining their current or establishing a new solid Dealer base on their own. Time will tell, but I'm confident if their pricing drops by 20-30% then they will quickly find Dealers to bring in 3 speakers all the while selling 5-10 components a month, the speakers can sit and collect dust.
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Agreed. My two cents: those licking their chops for lower prices might be sadly disappointed.
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u-sound
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gryphon gone from suncoasty, what an unexpected shock. sorry to hear that.
imho, gryphon speakers are among the very ugliest on the market. makes you feel bad looking at them.
imho, gryphon speakers are among the very ugliest on the market. makes you feel bad looking at them.
the professor
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Usually when a manufacturer goes from a distributor to in house distribution here in North America, prices do not go down. They can't have a sales force, storage etc any cheaper and in some cases costs them more since they don't have other lines to share costs with.
They gain control. Almost never a cost savings, and never to the end consumer.
They gain control. Almost never a cost savings, and never to the end consumer.
GSOphile
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Remains to be seen with Gryphon (ref Mike's comment above), but it does happen, e.g., Luxman several years ago, where their top line products were reduced 25% when they brought U.S. distribution 'in-house.'
blackdog
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For about a year, then the prices started to creep up. I highly doubt Gryphon will have the volume to be able to bring prices down.