Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Results 1 to 37 of 37
  1. #1

    Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Hi Guys,

    I finally ordered my system which will be a dCS Bartok / Gryphon Diablo 300 / Magico A3.
    I took me a while to settle because I couldn't travel much and audition as I wanted but now the system is on order and coming soon.
    I have to thank members of this forum who have been helpful and supportive like Darrel who also has a similar setup and all of your inputs have been valuable.

    I am now facing one of the most critical choice in having to decide for speaker cables.

    I'm essentially looking at a few different ones:

    -Audioquest - (robin hood silver sc - wind xlr - hurricane pc for the amp and silver cloud for the source)
    -Siltech - (770L sc + xlr and siltech pc) however I'm not too sure about their pc
    -Shunyata - Alpha 2 series for sc, xlr and pc
    -Also Nordost possibly?


    I do not have to possibility to audition them let alone compare them.
    I'm also open to new suggestions and your inputs are appreciated,

    Thanks

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2018
    Location
    saṃsāra
    Posts
    870

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    congratulations on the new system! you might consider starting with dueland wire -- many here swear by it and it is very wallet friendly.

    i can't recall anyone with magicos or gryphon having experience with duelund but there is more info and opinions here:

    Anyone play around with Duelund wire?
    kanjiroba yak + roon rock > t+a dac8 dsd > air tight atm-300r almarro a318b > viking acoustics berlin r mk2
    core audio designs plyKraft 3L | hifi racks ltd podium t5-iii | alp-tone audio analog cables

  3. #3

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Thanks aKnyght, I will look into it

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    62

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    I don’t have that quality of gear bryston instead. However I do have Siltech 550 across the board and the SPX-800 across all my gear. I went to the top with cardas, across the board upper wireworld, audioquest and nothing and I mean nothing sounds as good as the Siltech 550’s. The 770 lines brings you more of it. I wouldn’t hesitate for the Siltech line. They also get better with time and never will degrade. Late edit I have had Nordost hemidall 2 and hated it. Sounds thin and artificial.

  5. #5

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    The Cable Company has a loaner program, I would take advantage of it. Congrats and good luck!

  6. #6

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    He is in Europe...
    No cable company possibility🧐

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Location
    Auburn, Washington USA
    Posts
    310

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by aKnyght View Post
    congratulations on the new system! you might consider starting with dueland wire -- many here swear by it and it is very wallet friendly.

    i can't recall anyone with magicos or gryphon having experience with duelund but there is more info and opinions here:

    Anyone play around with Duelund wire?
    Funny, I actually used a pair of single strand Dueland cables in my system for about one to two weeks. And then put my Cardas Clear Cygnus back into the system. Dueland gives you clarity, dynamics and is musical. But, going back to the Cardas the instruments have more body and weight. Your system may vary. But, that was my take away.
    Speakers: Magico A3 with grills, Gaia II
    Integrated: Gryphon Diablo 300 plus DAC
    Subs: SVS1000 Pro (2)-CD/DVD: Oppo 205 Streamer: Lumin T2
    Roon Core: sonicTransporter i7 powered with HDPlex 200w linear PS, running Tital and Qobuz with iPad Pro

  8. #8

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Seeing you are in Europe.

    Ocellia Reference RCA Interconnects, Speaker & Power Cables.

    Otherwise Siltech or Jorma would be my choice for your excellent system.

    I'd leave the others you mention.

    Bruce

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Denmark
    Posts
    544

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Congratulations with your new system which i am sure will be very good.
    Flemming

  10. #10

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    MIT - EVO One (Minimum ) or if your budget is higher.

    2C3D Level 2 or 1

    Where to Buy - International - MIT Cables - Music Interface Technologies

  11. #11

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Thanks all for chiming in.
    I did hear good things about MIT cables but I don't think they're well represented in France. I checked the importer and he doesn't even list them on his site.
    They also don't come cheap!

    I'm waiting to hear back from the Siltech reseller about price and avails.
    Anything non European will also come pricier also because of import taxes etc...

  12. #12

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Thanks all for chiming in.
    I did hear good things about MIT cables but I don't think they're well represented in France. I checked the importer and he doesn't even list them on his site.
    They also don't come cheap!

    I'm waiting to hear back from the Siltech reseller about price and avails.
    Anything non European will also come pricier also because of import taxes etc...

    Very true.

    What about Crystal Cable? I believe they are a European brand.

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    62

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Very true.

    What about Crystal Cable? I believe they are a European brand.
    sister company to Siltech and no where close to it. Had some crystal but Siltech blew it away.

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    1,013

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by schmidtmike76 View Post
    sister company to Siltech and no where close to it. Had some crystal but Siltech blew it away.
    Which Crystal were blown away by which Siltech?
    Speakers: Magico M3, Q3, ACC, S-SUB | Electronics: Esoteric Grandioso | Amplification: Halcro |
    Analog cables: Crystal Cable | Digital cables: Shunyata Sigma | Rack: YG Acoustics Rack 1.4
    and YG Acoustics Rack 1.1 amp stands (pair)

    On the wish list: Esoteric Grandioso D1X. Shunyata Research Everest.

  15. #15

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I do not have to possibility to audition them let alone compare them.

    Thanks
    Why is that if I may ask?

    You really should find a good and reputable dealer to work this out for you with the possibility to try a setup in your own system.

    / Marcus, Perfect sense | Audio Matters
    PERFECT SENSE
    www.perfect-sense.se

    Showroom in Stockholm, Sweden | info@perfect-sense.se | 08 518 368 00 | Follow us on Facebook

  16. #16

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by Perfect Sense View Post
    Why is that if I may ask?

    You really should find a good and reputable dealer to work this out for you with the possibility to try a setup in your own system.

    / Marcus, Perfect sense | Audio Matters
    Hi Marcus,

    I agree with your statement.
    In my case, there are no dealers close to me and the closest ones do not carry the brands I'm interested in.

    On the subject of finding a good dealer, it is not an easy task.
    It's not only about carrying the brands, it's also about knowing how put a system together and finding someone having similar "audio aesthetics" preferences.
    On several occasions, I went to demo speakers or electronics I was interested in and it sounded absolutely terrible.
    I am pretty sure that it was because of the way the system was setup, cables, power conditionner on amps, etc etc...
    Then what do you do in this case? If everything you listen to is not working but the dealer talks like he has the 8th wonder of the world in his shop?

    I can share some exemples.
    I called up a dealer to book a demo of a specific amp.
    When I arrive, he had the top of the line of the same brand plugged(which cost 5 times more), but not the amp I wanted to demo.
    I am surprised but I don't say anything and I start to listen. It was terrible. It was plugged on a power filter, the system didn't have any dynamics and it was veiled.
    He didn't even plug the amp I wanted to hear.

    Another dealer, I wanted to audition speakers.
    The person doesn't even ask me one question about what I want, what I like to listen to, what I look for in a system.
    I just told him to plug a streamer so I can listen to tracks I am familiar with.
    I arrive, CD player is plugged...I didn't like the setup, so we change the amps. The other amps were not warm, they sounded terrible again.
    But the dealer didn't even ask me what I thought about it. He told me with confidence that we will meet again soon because I won't find better speakers.

    Not easy...

    It's a shame I am not close to your guys because I like a lot of the brands you carry and you seem to be very professional.

  17. #17

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    In post #5 above I recommended to use The Cable Company's loaner program. As Lucidear indicated you are in Europe and the loaner program does not apply, sorry about my misinformation. What I would do before pulling the trigger on cables is I would use any speaker cable just to hook them up, even zip cord. This would give an idea of how your system interacts with your room and your preferences. I tend to prefer Cardas with most metal dome tweeters. Good luck.

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2018
    Location
    Argentina
    Posts
    365

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Congratulations on the new system. Photos are missing.
    Accuphase E-370 Cable de alimentación Shunyata Delta NR
    Lumin X1 Cable de alimentación Shunyata NR Venom V10
    ProAc Response D18 Cable de altavoz Bi Wiring PAD Musaeus Luminist
    Cable de interconexión XLR PAD Musaeus Luminist

  19. #19
    Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Location
    Alberta, Canada
    Posts
    62

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by brodricj View Post
    Which Crystal were blown away by which Siltech?
    twin micro series vs Siltech 550 series. Not even close. However if you fancy acoustic or vocal music the crystal are laser fast and really detailed.

  20. #20

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Op

    If you look at audio-markt.de, there are dealers selling used cables there.
    There is one in Holland who seems to offer a ton of different brands of cables, maybe you can contact them and make an arrangement to get a cable they recommend, and if you don’t like it exchange it for other ones...
    I have never dealt with them so please don’t take this as a recommendation, just an idea...

  21. #21

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by stereogeek View Post
    In post #5 above I recommended to use The Cable Company's loaner program. As Lucidear indicated you are in Europe and the loaner program does not apply, sorry about my misinformation. What I would do before pulling the trigger on cables is I would use any speaker cable just to hook them up, even zip cord. This would give an idea of how your system interacts with your room and your preferences. I tend to prefer Cardas with most metal dome tweeters. Good luck.

    You are making a very good point. I think I will do just that

  22. #22

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by Andik777 View Post
    Congratulations on the new system. Photos are missing.
    Thank you! The system is shipping in the next days, hopefully I should get it in the next couple weeks

  23. #23

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucidear View Post
    Op

    If you look at audio-markt.de, there are dealers selling used cables there.
    There is one in Holland who seems to offer a ton of different brands of cables, maybe you can contact them and make an arrangement to get a cable they recommend, and if you don’t like it exchange it for other ones...
    I have never dealt with them so please don’t take this as a recommendation, just an idea...
    Thanks for the info, I will look into it

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    I know for a fact Synergistic Research voices their products with Magico speakers. And also, whenever demoed at audio shows, Synergistic Research runs their demos and set up. All Synergistic cabling. Just putting this out here, for whatever is worth
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

  25. #25

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    My understanding is that good cables do two things.
    They shield/eliminate noise and improve signal transmission, possibly over the full range of frequencies.
    That goes from power cables to digital cables. What we're essentially fighting is noise and signal distortion.

    However since our components are not perfect, cables are here for fine tuning.

    In my case, I have to find the fine line between transparent / clean and too lean / harsh.
    I'm only listening to digital. I will work on both power and network to clean as much as I can.

    Now the magico speakers are very lean, I iniatially wanted to go for the Gryphon essence but I ended up thinking the essence might be too transparent for these speakers. I kind of wanted more margin for error and something more easily enjoyable.
    Both the Bartok and the Diablo have very dense and meat around the bones kind of sound yet find the right balance between density and definition.
    I didn't want to go for a full "HIFI" system to listen only to women voices and flutes, hence my choice.

    I wanted an easy system but that could still deliver the goods when I needed to within the boundaries of my room.

    Now back to the cables. I'm scared to put too transparent cables that would bring too lean or brittle of a sound yet I still want to extract the full potential of my system.

    I will probably follow up the advice of stereogeek to just start up the system with any cables and take it from there.
    I've only heard the diablo and the A3 but not together so it seems like a good idea to just plug it all together and work my way from there.

    Sometimes we are guilty of being too impatient.

    Anyone here with experience with either shunyata or siltech?
    These are two brands for which I am in contact with distributors and are accessible to me.

  26. #26

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    I know for a fact Synergistic Research voices their products with Magico speakers. And also, whenever demoed at audio shows, Synergistic Research runs their demos and set up. All Synergistic cabling. Just putting this out here, for whatever is worth
    I love your amplifier, this was also a strong contender for me.
    Whats your experience with shunyata cables? how would you describe their signature and improvements?

  27. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    I love your amplifier, this was also a strong contender for me.
    Whats your experience with shunyata cables? how would you describe their signature and improvements?
    Thanks.

    I love Shunyata with my equipment. It is a very good match. It smoothens a bit the sound of my equipment, that otherwise may qualify a bit "hot", but without losing any resolution. Shunyata also has a very distinctive "organic", or "full" kinda sound that I like. Some may call it "dark", but it is not what I hear. Again, some cables may sound good for some speakers or gear, but not with others. Personal tastes are also different for different people. So unfortunately, you will have to try for yourself, with your gear. There is no other way. Unless you know someone that has the exact (or similar) gear like you, and same tastes like you.
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

  28. #28

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    Thanks.

    I love Shunyata with my equipment. It is a very good match. It smoothens a bit the sound of my equipment, that otherwise may qualify a bit "hot", but without losing any resolution. Shunyata also has a very distinctive "organic", or "full" kinda sound that I like. Some may call it "dark", but it is not what I hear. Again, some cables may sound good for some speakers or gear, but not with others. Personal tastes are also different for different people. So unfortunately, you will have to try for yourself, with your gear. There is no other way. Unless you know someone that has the exact (or similar) gear like you, and same tastes like you.
    What speaker cables do you have? The alpha V2? Which PC did you use with your amp? an NR or XC?

  29. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    What speaker cables do you have? The alpha V2? Which PC did you use with your amp? an NR or XC?
    Speaker cables and XLR Interconnects: Alpha v2
    Power cord on integrated amp as well as on my DAC: Sigma NR v2
    Omega XC now on the Everest
    Alpha NR v2 power cord on my transport
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

  30. #30

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    Speaker cables and XLR Interconnects: Alpha v2
    Power cord on integrated amp as well as on my DAC: Sigma NR v2
    Omega XC now on the Everest
    Alpha NR v2 power cord on my transport
    very nice . So you would say that these cables provide a smooth and relaxed listening experience because they're good for noise shielding and also provide an organic sound? That's what I'm trying to achieve because I'm listening digital and I believe the Magico's to be unforgiving, especially since I'm sensitive with high's.
    I will try to see if I can demo a set but I don't think it will be possible.

  31. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    very nice . So you would say that these cables provide a smooth and relaxed listening experience because they're good for noise shielding and also provide an organic sound? That's what I'm trying to achieve because I'm listening digital and I believe the Magico's to be unforgiving, especially since I'm sensitive with high's.
    I will try to see if I can demo a set but I don't think it will be possible.
    Smooth, relaxed, pleasing, not fatiguing, natural sounding, whatever you want to call it. Bottom line is I like where I am at now. And I am digital only too. No analog setup.
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

  32. #32

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    Smooth, relaxed, pleasing, not fatiguing, natural sounding, whatever you want to call it. Bottom line is I like where I am at now. And I am digital only too. No analog setup.
    Thanks for your feedback
    Why did you feel you had to go to the sigma instead of alpha for the PC?

  33. #33
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Thanks for your feedback
    Why did you feel you had to go to the sigma instead of alpha for the PC?
    I started with Alpha. Then I got an unexplainable itch ( then I decided to try the Sigma. I was immediately "sold". I wish I did not try the Sigma, it would have saved me some dough
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

  34. #34

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    I started with Alpha. Then I got an unexplainable itch ( then I decided to try the Sigma. I was immediately "sold". I wish I did not try the Sigma, it would have saved me some dough
    Tell me about it!

  35. #35

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Hi Guys,

    I finally decided to go for the Siltech 770L loom and spx800 power cables.
    I was between these and the shunyata alpha v2, but since I'm in Europe, the Shunyata would have ended up being much more expensive while I'm not sure the performance spread (if any) would justify it.
    From what I could gather, Siltech is also very organic and natural sounding, while being fast and extended.
    Let's see, I should get everything end of this week.
    Thanks for anyone who chimed in! I'll report when I have everything set up

  36. #36
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2018
    Location
    Auburn, Washington USA
    Posts
    310

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    I'm glad you found cables to bring your system together. I think once you get things up and running. Cables will be the last thing you will think about for sometime. The system should bring you a lot of enjoyment. Cables can alway be changed out of a system over time. Just sit back and enjoy.
    Speakers: Magico A3 with grills, Gaia II
    Integrated: Gryphon Diablo 300 plus DAC
    Subs: SVS1000 Pro (2)-CD/DVD: Oppo 205 Streamer: Lumin T2
    Roon Core: sonicTransporter i7 powered with HDPlex 200w linear PS, running Tital and Qobuz with iPad Pro

  37. #37
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2019
    Location
    US
    Posts
    159

    Re: Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

    Quote Originally Posted by _Alchemist_ View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I finally decided to go for the Siltech 770L loom and spx800 power cables.
    I was between these and the shunyata alpha v2, but since I'm in Europe, the Shunyata would have ended up being much more expensive while I'm not sure the performance spread (if any) would justify it.
    From what I could gather, Siltech is also very organic and natural sounding, while being fast and extended.
    Let's see, I should get everything end of this week.
    Thanks for anyone who chimed in! I'll report when I have everything set up
    Congrats! It’s always exciting when new toys arrive.
    B&W 803 D3 | T+A PA 3100 HV | Esoteric N-01XD | Esoteric P-05X | Shunyata Sigma v2 & Alpha v2 | Shunyata Everest

AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.

AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.

The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.

At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com

Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team

Cables for new - dCS - Gryphon - Magico - system

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •