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    Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Just curious if anyone can offer an opinion?

    A friend has the Kondo Overture and absolutely loves it. He has similar speakers as me and the 30wpc seems more than enough. Also, the Kondo is dead quiet, something thatís very important to me. I also love the EL34 tubes.

    Since I have and do love my GAT2, Iím wondering if the ART27A can rise to the occasion paired with my preamp. Itís approximately 36wpc and looks like it could compete very well. The ART27A uses KT88 in triode mode, I think.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Joe

    Not sure what that pairing gets you. Too much power and noise for one speaker and not enough power for the other.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    I really need to try one to find out. Kondo on Avantgarde is dead quiet I’m told. I’m hoping CJ combo could be too.

    Was just a thought. Both options are not cheap.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    It seems to me that the sticking point is the GAT2 which is a high gain preamp much like the AI Modulus 3 and requires an amp with an input sensitivity north of 1.5 volts to match which the CJ amps and a few others do. Most of the amps that match that criteria have too much power though for the AG's. It is all a tricky situation that I thought the Wooden combo resolved.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    The Wooden combo is perfect for Avantgarde, absolutely.

    Sometimes a little variety is nice and I’ll be honest, even if there was one perfect system, could I sit still with it? I don’t think so. It’s something that I need to get over.

    Now that I have a little extra time on my hands, it’s time for me to break out the Wooden combo on my Avantgarde.

    I do think you are right about the gain. I’ve been reassured, even by Jeff F. of CJ that gain of the GAT2/ART27A combo should be fine.
    Last edited by joeinid; March 28, 2020 at 06:38 AM.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Hi,
    If i was you, i will hurry and go have a listen to Aries cerat genus 845.
    Appearently it is better than overture.
    My friend owns it, and it is just amazing.
    I ordered one after hearing ir, another friend orfered one.
    A magnitude better than anything i heard.....
    Pm for more details...


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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    I wonder how people heard any of those amp with speakers you have Joe. A matter of fact even heard on any system.

    Beside the sound I wonder if you want one piece does it all or separates ?

    I do own the Overture for years now and I have no problem with pair them with any of my speakers so far and love the sound.

    I heard the Aries is amazing too but I wonít go with 845 again after owning the NAF. Hope I can hear them one day though.


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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Paul

    Still happy with your Linton's? I had mine a little over two weeks and so far very impressed though they only have about 100 hours on them.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Jack. The Linton is amazing. I just pair them with Kondo Overture and sounds amazing they have this superb wide sound stage and the bass is jaw dropping. What do you pair them with ?


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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    The Lintons are absolutely giant killers. Amazing value for the money.

    ps. I would love an integrated, especially one as awesome as the Kondo.
    Last edited by joeinid; March 28, 2020 at 07:53 PM.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Paul

    I just put them into the Family Room system in place of the Nola KO's so they are powered for now with the Audia Flight FL Three S integrated which is slightly on the warmer side of neutral itself. I am going to give them a couple more weeks as they are and then try the Kinki EX-M1 integrated which is in my Office system. That will probably be a good match too as the Kinki was really good with the Verity's when I tried it for a while in the Main system.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    It seems to me that the sticking point is the GAT2 which is a high gain preamp much like the AI Modulus 3 and requires an amp with an input sensitivity north of 1.5 volts to match which the CJ amps and a few others do. Most of the amps that match that criteria have too much power though for the AG's. It is all a tricky situation that I thought the Wooden combo resolved.
    The input impedance of the ART 150 and 300 are 1 mV. The main reason for playing with the input sensitivity as cj explained to me was noise.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Thank you Myles, have you received your demo unit?
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    Thank you Myles, have you received your demo unit?
    Not yet as the latest Goldmund amplifier and new pre- amplifier came in house for review. Eventually but not sure exactly when given what’s going on in the world today.
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor View Post
    Not yet as the latest Goldmund amplifier and new pre- amplifier came in house for review. Eventually but not sure exactly when given what’s going on in the world today.
    I love Goldmund too!

    Thank you!
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by joeinid View Post
    I love Goldmund too!

    Thank you!
    https://youtu.be/dOU8NzQiGyQ
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    Re: Opinions please, CJ ART27A amp vs Kondo Overture integrated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Myles B. Astor View Post
    Sounds great.
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