Spotify HiFi is coming

**Mike** · February 22, 2021, 04:43 PM

Spotify HiFi is a lossless streaming tier coming later this year - The Verge

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**mep** · February 22, 2021, 04:49 PM

It makes you wonder how many streaming services can survive.

**nicoff** · February 22, 2021, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by mep

It makes you wonder how many streaming services can survive.

The big three for sure: Spotify, Apple, Amazon. All others are iffy.

**MPW** · February 22, 2021, 05:44 PM

I'm interested to understand what plans, if any, Roon has to integrate any of these other streaming services, particularly Spotify. My understanding is that it is highly unlikely that Spotify will ever be available on Roon. If that is that case, I sure hope Qobuz and/or Tidal survive.

**Jack** · February 22, 2021, 05:44 PM

Funny you think the ones that are iffy are the ones that are lossless.

**nicoff** · February 22, 2021, 06:28 PM

Originally Posted by MPW

I'm interested to understand what plans, if any, Roon has to integrate any of these other streaming services, particularly Spotify. My understanding is that it is highly unlikely that Spotify will ever be available on Roon. If that is that case, I sure hope Qobuz and/or Tidal survive.

Roon would love to be able to integrate with Spotify. But Spotify has not allowed it. I doubt it ever will.
I have a Roon lifetime subscription so I hope that Qobuz survives.
More than likely, Roon might be purchased by a bigger company.
Who knows, maybe Spotify buys them out and offers Roon’s music management capabilities as part of a higher tier.

**nicoff** · February 22, 2021, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by Jack

Funny you think the ones that are iffy are the ones that are lossless.

Yes, because Spotify will offer a lossless tier as well. Consequently both Tidal and Qobuz will likely lose subscribers as a result.

**Mr Peabody** · February 22, 2021, 06:46 PM

I think Spotify becoming lossless is significant as they have a large existing customer base.

How much is Spotify Premium? Tidal may struggle being the most expensive of all the services.

**nicoff** · February 22, 2021, 07:29 PM

Originally Posted by Mr Peabody

I think Spotify becoming lossless is significant as they have a large existing customer base.

Exactly.

How much is Spotify Premium?

No idea how much Spotify Premium tier will be; I would guess a few ($3 maybe) extra dollars a month.

Tidal may struggle being the most expensive of all the services.

Agree. Spotify has several advantages over Tidal (and also Qobuz), to note:

- a larger library
- millions of subscribers around the world
- easier to share music with friends
- better search functions
- better playlist sharing

Tidal has the extra disadvantage that it is eliminating lossless CD-quality offerings and will only be offering (lossy) MQA titles.

If Spotify were able to integrate with Roon, I personally would have no need for a lossless music service like Qobuz. For now, I am using both Qobuz and Spotify.

**XV-1** · February 22, 2021, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by nicoff

Yes, because Spotify will offer a lossless tier as well. Consequently both Tidal and Qobuz will likely lose subscribers as a result.

they won't lose subscribers, they will go bankrupt.

Spotify is used by all young people so adding Spotify hifi will be easy in a family. then no need for the oldies to keep Tidal or Qobuz.

**RonDiy** · February 23, 2021, 12:23 AM

Man this sucks for those of us that have Tidal and were in the military. I only pay 11$ a month for the top tier. My fees are going to at least double for any of these other services. I don't see Tidal surviving this.

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**Jack** · February 23, 2021, 12:31 AM

With Qobuz on a yearly subscription I only pay $12.50 a month so certainly not double.

**RonDiy** · February 23, 2021, 01:31 AM

Sorry wrong thread

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**CPP** · February 24, 2021, 10:51 AM

The numbers speak for themselves: As of the third quarter of 2020, Spotify had 144 million premium subscribers, if they offer a nice Hifi option at a decent price, well it could be curtains for Tidal and Qobuz as much as I enjoy Qobuz if the quality of the recording it there, well! WE shall see.

FYI:

Apple Music: Apple Music subscribers worldwide 2015-2020. Estimates suggest that Apple Music had 72 million subscribers worldwide in June 2020
According to estimates, Amazon Music had 55 million subscribers worldwide in January 2020.
YouTube now has over 30 million music and premium paid subscribers,
Tidal has claimed to have over 3 million subscribers, although the veracity of those claims and their reported streaming numbers have been questioned
Qobuz : Hi-res focused streaming service Qobuz has told Variety that it now has 200,000 customers globally, including more than 25,000 in the US,

**aKnyght** · February 24, 2021, 11:06 AM

for my needs and use case, i am sticking w/ qobuz ...0 issues, library is now populated across all genres and comparable to all the other streaming services, very high level of satisfaction.

spotify as a platform brings nothing, nada, zilch to the table for me. as reported, spotify HiFi is only cd resolution. 24-bit word length is relevant to me. more importantly, roon integration is unlikely at the current time.

tidal with their MQA emphasis is irrelevant to me (and at some point the market) and just too fubar.

i don't see qobuz going away. too may folks want to play in this space, so worst case is they get bought.

also, i like that i can buy downloads in a variety of resolutions directly from qobuz

ymmv

**Mr Peabody** · February 24, 2021, 01:52 PM

I wonder if Qobuz membership dropped, I saw a comparison last year giving them higher numbers. I think they could hang on as a nitch with offering high res. I don't see them and Spotify competing for the same type customer. Shockingly low membership though.

Although Tidal's membership is larger thanQobuz I think they have a concern. Depends on how many of their customers are MQA hardliners.

I predict Amazon will be alright, the rope enough customers in via other means.

It would be interesting to see if memberships trended up or down over the last couple years.

Originally Posted by CPP

The numbers speak for themselves: As of the third quarter of 2020, Spotify had 144 million premium subscribers, if they offer a nice Hifi option at a decent price, well it could be curtains for Tidal and Qobuz as much as I enjoy Qobuz if the quality of the recording it there, well! WE shall see.

FYI:

Apple Music: Apple Music subscribers worldwide 2015-2020. Estimates suggest that Apple Music had 72 million subscribers worldwide in June 2020
According to estimates, Amazon Music had 55 million subscribers worldwide in January 2020.
YouTube now has over 30 million music and premium paid subscribers,
Tidal has claimed to have over 3 million subscribers, although the veracity of those claims and their reported streaming numbers have been questioned
Qobuz : Hi-res focused streaming service Qobuz has told Variety that it now has 200,000 customers globally, including more than 25,000 in the US,

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