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    roon core options

    I've had roon for a few years now. I have kind of a love/hate relationship with it.

    Obviously, having both my Lumin players as roon endpoints is big. Sometimes I'll play my main rig and another zone in my basement at the same time which is cool. I have some other endpoints for other zones inside and outside as well (although I can use all of these without roon). And sure, all the metadata and connectedness is great. And now that Tidal and Qobuz have been incorporated even better. Roon radio is also nice. And with 1.7, live radio is much improved. And occasionally I will dabble with upsampling and eq also...

    But...there are some quirks, like the queue, with its collapse/expand of skipped songs, the fact that you can only view like six tracks at a time, some other nagging behaviors. And at least running the core on my i7 iMac it still feels way more like computer audio than it should: the occasional loss of connection from ipad/iphone, need to reboot, need to log out and log back into Tidal or Qobuz, etc. I mean, just go to the roon discussion forum and see how many computer/networking issues people have...

    Everything runs so much smoother going direct from my Lumin that I find myself listening this way the majority of the time. The Lumin players have just worked almost flawlessly for me.

    I'm pretty sure roon would run better if I had a dedicated machine for the core.

    The main options I'm considering are:
    1) roon Nucleus plus
    2) Small Green computer sonicTransporter i7
    3) NAS

    My Synology NAS is an older model that can't run roon core, so if I went with option 3 I'd have to buy a new NAS. No big deal, as mine is getting long in the tooth anyway.

    The potential advantages I see of the sonicTransporter over a Nucleus would be the ability to run HQPlayer (I've never used this before, but maybe nice to have as an option?) and two ethernet ports, one of which could (I think) be connected to my Lumin (or any other streamer) if I had it in my listening room without having to add a switch.

    Anyway, I'm looking for feedback and recommendations from those who have been down this road.
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    Re: roon core options

    My experience is somewhat similar to yours. I definitely share the frustration part!

    In my system, the iPhone app always works (although it took me 9 months to figure that out) and the iPad app rarely works. Rebooting some combination of iMac/iPad usually does gets the iPad working again, but who wants to be rebooting a computer every day, especially when music is already playing? Annoying.

    I, too, have finally given up on running Roon Core on my iMac. Both my dacs are totaldac, so I’m going with the totaldac d1-player. Wish I could hear it first, but Vincent makes great products and has earned my trust. Besides, Vincent has a 20-day return policy.
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    Re: roon core options

    Quote Originally Posted by rrwmd View Post


    Anyway, I'm looking for feedback and recommendations from those who have been down this road.
    I opted to run Roon on a dedicated intel NUC box. This is basically what the nucleus is, but in a standard intel case, not roonís sexy fanless case. On their help pages, Roon list the parts you need to order to make the CORE box, and also they give instructions for how to download their software to it. Doing this will save you a four figure sum.

    Itís works well, keeps itself backed up, and I canít hear its little fan. No drop outs. Everything seems very snappy. Sound is good. I have my core box feeding my DAC via USB in my main system, but elsewhere I have network connected speakers acting as endpoints.

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    I think when you say NAS you probably actually mean a computer. To run Roon Core you do need an OS. I hear people complaining about issues with Mac and Roon but I rarely see anyone having issues with Roon and Windows.

    The SGC option is running Windows. If you want to do HQPlayer and really see what it can do then you should be looking towards a Windows solution. I know many Apple users instantly think it will be too complicated, but honestly it really is not. Windows really has become a breeze if you are dedicating it as a music server machine, weather it be from SGC, SGM, or having a quality computer built from companies such as Falcon Northwest.

    I never, ever have issues with Roon... then again I have all my music on drives within my PC/Server...
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    Re: roon core options

    NAS do have a processor and some RAM, enough to run Roon in many cases
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    Yes, I know, but what OS? NAS are designed for mass storage. if you are running an OS and server programs you are running a computer/server...

    NAS- Network Attached Storage, is storage not operating system controlled processing units... aka computers... all NAS units have processors and RAM and Cache, etc., but they are not designed as independent computing units. They are 100% dependent on computers (PCs, servers, etc.).
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    Re: roon core options

    Roon runs on a good number of NAS. From Roon's knowledge base:

    Which NAS devices are supported?Most QNAP, Synology, and Asustor devices with a 64-bit x86 CPU, like Intel or AMD, and at least 2GB RAM are supported.
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    Re: roon core options

    Quote Originally Posted by rrwmd View Post
    I've had roon for a few years now. I have kind of a love/hate relationship with it.


    The main options I'm considering are:
    1) roon Nucleus plus
    2) Small Green computer sonicTransporter i7
    3) NAS
    Another option is to build a special purpose computer to run Roon. That's what I did. I built a Xeon-based PC which runs Roon Server under Windows Server 2019. Windows 10 will work as well. The build is not complicated if you have any experience with computers. The advantage of building your own is that you can tweak things to improve the sound quality. I wouldn't suggest this if you aren't into tinkering and playing with stuff. If you are, it can be fun and rewarding.
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    Re: roon core options

    As I did; I had Falcon build the basic core unit because they can do the core better than me, and have greater access to the grade A parts. They put the guts together how I want and then I modify from there.

    Also I totally understand that a Roon application can run on a basic NAS but that is not the same thing... please don't go down that road...

    I do not claim to know crap about this stuff.... just whatever little bit I have picked up in 30 years as a software engineer, DBA, database architect, and designing and developing software to assist in launching rockets for national reconnaissance missions...
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    Doesn't every NAS have a OS? The synology units run on Linux.
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