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    Linn vs Lumin

    Did someone do a Linn vs Lumin shootout last night? Hmm....


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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Well,well,well. That didn't take long for you to do your "Mother Superior" dance, did it ?

    A little background information. Mike and I are very good friends. We talk almost every day. We are both opinionated and a little stubborn. If I want Mike to get something I like,he usually won't do it,or he will fight me all the way. I'm kinda the same with him.

    I've been trying to get him into a Linn streamer for 2 yrs. He fought me tooth and nail. His biggest excuse was it doesn't do DSD. So he finally finds the Lumin,which does handle DSD,and jumps on the streamer bandwagon. And now he finally loves his digital playback ! I'm actually very happy for him, he's now enjoying a lot more music,which is great !!

    Last night Jock brought his Lumin over for a little comparison with the Linn Akurate DS. The Lumin sounded a little better than the Linn, it wasn't a huge difference but it was enough that I ordered one this morning. It's a very musical sounding streamer and I preferred it over the Linn. Nothing against the Linn,it's a fantastic player in it's own right. But in my system, the Lumin is just a little better.

    So...............yes Mike, you were right
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    That sure was hard to say !!!
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    Now I definitely want one
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    The Lumin is a very very good streamer. Once it fully broken in, I'll be able to truly compare it to the Linn Klimax. I figure a couple of weeks should do the trick.

    So far, it's much closer than one would think because of the cost of each.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    This is the kind of feedback everybody loves to read about.

    * Nice avatar Mark!
    ** Mike your avatar is cool too, in a different way.
    *** Nelson, your avatar is ok.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Man - I guess I don't count.

    How's my avatar?

    You can say it! Don't hold back.



    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    This is the kind of feedback everybody loves to read about.

    * Nice avatar Mark!
    ** Mike your avatar is cool too, in a different way.
    *** Nelson, your avatar is ok.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Jock, even if it doesn't improve during break in, I'll still be happy !!
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Agreed! I know I'm happy with mine right now.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    Man - I guess I don't count.

    How's my avatar?

    You can say it! Don't hold back.
    There's nothing new with yours Jock. ...Same old thing.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Mark and Jock were right - network music players are vastly superior. When I think about all the DACS I went through, I just shutter. To me, buying a DAC is like buying half a car. The DAC manufacturer has no clue what USB cable you are using, whether you're using a Mc, Windows or Linux machine, whether you are using a laptop or desktop, what your hardware looks like (SSD VS HD or soundcard or PS), they have no idea what software you are using, etc. Too much of a crapshoot.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post

    Last night Jock brought his Lumin over for a little comparison with the Linn Akurate DS. The Lumin sounded a little better than the Linn, it wasn't a huge difference but it was enough that I ordered one this morning. It's a very musical sounding streamer and I preferred it over the Linn. Nothing against the Linn,it's a fantastic player in it's own right. But in my system, the Lumin is just a little better.

    So...............yes Mike, you were right
    WOW! Congrats Mark!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Mark and Jock were right - network music players are vastly superior. When I think about all the DACS I went through, I just shutter. To me, buying a DAC is like buying half a car. The DAC manufacturer has no clue what USB cable you are using, whether you're using a Mc, Windows or Linux machine, whether you are using a laptop or desktop, what your hardware looks like (SSD VS HD or soundcard or PS), they have no idea what software you are using, etc. Too much of a crapshoot.
    ...Ha! Mike, they're for smart people, j/k. By the way this isn't directed at you specifically but if it fits, put the pants on & swim a lap or two.... For mine I'm subscribing to the "do your homework" group. You need to be very switched on to what triggers your good sound bad sound likes & dislikes & suit the dac with the appropriate cables & power supply etc, that will deliver the sound that you want. The biggest & most overlooked factor when it comes to digital is isolation. Why people spend 10, 20 30k on a t/t in the isolation department & then proceed to rubbish digital really shits me. Have a look at those really exceptional t/t & you will see some extravagant isolation going on there that would absolutely floor most if they knew what it cost to incorporate the said isolation into the final figure, everything counts & that count adds up! Simply put, it doesn't mean one is better than the other, what does matter is application, cables, what are they made of, your likes dislikes to the same properties of the metal & it's soundings etc,thoughtful matching so that the "synergy" is an easy given in said system, not all & very few pieces of gear/components gel well together for a complete sound without one or 2 numbers of the sound wave graph spiking like hell out of control & it has to sound like the thang that can put you to sleep at the start of the song & make you want to run a marathon by the end!! Simple huh!!!!! Then again, if it's that easy, why wouldn't you take the network player? Me? I'm not the retiring type.....yet!

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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    WOW! Congrats Mark!
    Thanks Mike ! You should really think about getting in on this group buy. Once you put a streamer into that great system of yours, you won't look back !!
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    Congrats, Mark! Wow, I know you are careful when it comes to switching gear. You've must've heard something special in the Lumin to give up the Linn!

    Congrats again!!


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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Congratulations, Mark, on the new Lumin. I'm also considering the Lumin and currently have a Linn Klimax. I had enjoyed the Akurate DS before moving to the Kimax, which was a pretty big step up, so Im curious if anyone has compared the Klimax with the Lumin. Im considering the Lumin primarily for its DSD capabilities, but am curious how it compares with the Linn on standard and hi-Rez PCM. Thanks in advance for comments.

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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by Cavl View Post
    Congratulations, Mark, on the new Lumin. I'm also considering the Lumin and currently have a Linn Klimax. I had enjoyed the Akurate DS before moving to the Kimax, which was a pretty big step up, so Im curious if anyone has compared the Klimax with the Lumin. Im considering the Lumin primarily for its DSD capabilities, but am curious how it compares with the Linn on standard and hi-Rez PCM. Thanks in advance for comments.

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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    It's dangerously close.

    I want to give the Lumin another week to break in before any true opinion but after 3 days the Lumin had all of the promise to pass the Klimax DS in SQ.

    I have another week on it now but haven't listened to it yet. Ill report later once I wake up my ears to listen.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cavl View Post
    Congratulations, Mark, on the new Lumin. I'm also considering the Lumin and currently have a Linn Klimax. I had enjoyed the Akurate DS before moving to the Kimax, which was a pretty big step up, so Im curious if anyone has compared the Klimax with the Lumin. Im considering the Lumin primarily for its DSD capabilities, but am curious how it compares with the Linn on standard and hi-Rez PCM. Thanks in advance for comments.

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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Thanks Allen, Thanks Van !! The Lumin will be here Monday
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Mark. Congrats ! Is the lumin group buy is still in place ? Are they only come in Silver ?
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    Yes Paul - still going (for now). You can upgrade to black for $500 and there is a much longer lead time on Black (2-3 weeks min). But yes, it's an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Thanks Allen, Thanks Van !! The Lumin will be here Monday
    Enjoy! and keep us posted...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    It's dangerously close.

    I want to give the Lumin another week to break in before any true opinion but after 3 days the Lumin had all of the promise to pass the Klimax DS in SQ.

    I have another week on it now but haven't listened to it yet. Ill report later once I wake up my ears to listen.
    Thanks Jock, I'll be very interested in your opinion.

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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Well, the Lumin will be here tomorrow !! I can't wait
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    After listening yesterday and again tonight.

    Anybody want to buy a 6 month old Linn Klimax DS?

    Not really anything else to say. The Raidho D3s have never sounded so good.


    Quote Originally Posted by Cavl View Post
    Thanks Jock, I'll be very interested in your opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Well, the Lumin will be here tomorrow !! I can't wait
    Congrats Mark! Really happy for you.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Jock:

    Interesting.

    Your Linn was run through your Naim correct? Have you tried the digital output from the Lumin (if it has one)? I'm curious if what makes the Lumin "work" is its internal DAC or just the way the music (data) is handled via Ethernet.
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    After listening yesterday and again tonight.

    Anybody want to buy a 6 month old Linn Klimax DS?

    Not really anything else to say. The Raidho D3s have never sounded so good.
    Wow Jock!

    I spoke with Mark yesterday. He is really excited about his coming in tomorrow. It must be one heck of a streamer!
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    Re: Linn vs Lumin

    Linn is run directly into the Dag preamp.

    And no I haven't tried the digital output. I guess I could bypass the steamer portion of the Naim NDS and try that. The Linn can't do that.

    Hmmmm. Interesting question.




    Quote Originally Posted by mdkim View Post
    Jock:

    Interesting.

    Your Linn was run through your Naim correct? Have you tried the digital output from the Lumin (if it has one)? I'm curious if what makes the Lumin "work" is its internal DAC or just the way the music (data) is handled via Ethernet.
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    Jock:

    That's right why would you run an analog signal anywhere but into your pre. That was a dumb Q . I've been drinking.

    Anyways, if you're inclined to try the digital out I'm very interested in your observations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MDP View Post
    Well, the Lumin will be here tomorrow !! I can't wait
    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    After listening yesterday and again tonight.

    Anybody want to buy a 6 month old Linn Klimax DS?

    Not really anything else to say. The Raidho D3s have never sounded so good.
    Congrats to you both! Wow, to displace the mighty Linn is quite an accomplishment!


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    Quote Originally Posted by the professor View Post
    After listening yesterday and again tonight.

    Anybody want to buy a 6 month old Linn Klimax DS?

    Not really anything else to say. The Raidho D3s have never sounded so good.
    Congrats Jock. I sure do love mine. I've only played two records since December. Gasp!


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    Quote Originally Posted by socfan12 View Post
    Congrats to you both! Wow, to displace the mighty Linn is quite an accomplishment!
    Allen, no BS, you know I never buy anything new. I wasn't planning to buy anything except maybe an amp or new speakers. I was sure I had the sources that I wanted, This was a shock to me !!

    But, I still reserve judgement until I have the Lumin in my system for a week or so.
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    Van, Paul, and Mike. Thanks a lot !! I'll let you know how it measures up to the Linn. But if first impressions are right, I think I'll be happy
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    Congrats Jock. I sure do love mine. I've only played two records since December. Gasp!


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    If the kronos needs a home where it will be loved, let me know
    The Kronos is in a big time holding pattern.
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    Hi Jon,
    Thanks for posting the link. That table's been up on the gon for many months. Not sure why, other than even at 50% of list, these things are still a lot of coin so as to not fly off the shelves
    Mike's is likely in mint condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    I've only played two records since December. Gasp!
    I've never played records in my system. oops, I don't own a turntable either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audioseduction View Post
    I've never played records in my system. oops, I don't own a turntable either.
    Talk to Bart and Charles and see what they thought of the Lumin. Charles was smitten. Bart was too....but he's in listening room renovation mode right now. George - you have to come over and hear this (and my Cary 300b/845 amp that had Charles going crazy for it.). I heard John (the owner of Cary) was at the meeting on Saturday? Sorry I missed it.

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