GigaFoil v4 Inline Ethernet Filter

Guys, I’ve heard optical isolation since it became a thing. I fully understand what you are saying about saving money. I just want a simple all on one. They all have their own sound and I want to hear those differences. None of my local friends owns one. I just got off the phone with a close friend who has the Gigafoil for his top of the line VANDERSTEEN system. He said it was ok until it broke in. He said for the price it’s a no brained and he’s only using the iFi power supply I already have a top LPS I can power it with. I may just break down and get it next month. Thanks.
 
Guys, I’ve heard optical isolation since it became a thing. I fully understand what you are saying about saving money. I just want a simple all on one. They all have their own sound and I want to hear those differences. None of my local friends owns one. I just got off the phone with a close friend who has the Gigafoil for his top of the line VANDERSTEEN system. He said it was ok until it broke in. He said for the price it’s a no brained and he’s only using the iFi power supply I already have a top LPS I can power it with. I may just break down and get it next month. Thanks.


If you are paying full retails for a new GF, I'd spend the bit extra and get the Waversa EXT-1. It requires no power supply and beat the GF. If you are getting a GF used, then you can't beat the value of the GF.

Link to Waversa: Waversa EXT Passive Digital Filters (USB & LAN Ethernet) | Kevalin Audio
 
If you are paying full retails for a new GF, I'd spend the bit extra and get the Waversa EXT-1. It requires no power supply and beat the GF. If you are getting a GF used, then you can't beat the value of the GF.

Link to Waversa: Waversa EXT Passive Digital Filters (USB & LAN Ethernet) | Kevalin Audio

Thanks for that Michael. Do you own one? If so, which one? Did you hear the Gigafoil yet or any other optical converters? Funny as I was pretty friendly with John before he took on Allnic and Waversa. We were both just great audio fanatics. I remember it well when he took them on. I already reached out and said hello. I'll probably call him later today to catch up on life and talk about his filters. Pete
 
Thanks for that Michael. Do you own one? If so, which one? Did you hear the Gigafoil yet or any other optical converters? Funny as I was pretty friendly with John before he took on Allnic and Waversa. We were both just great audio fanatics. I remember it well when he took them on. I already reached out and said hello. I'll probably call him later today to catch up on life and talk about his filters. Pete

Hey - I've got two different versions - the EXT -1 and the next step up. I compared them directly to the GF and they both beat the GF and the current sale price on the EXT 1 makes is a super deal.

Here is the review on it I did: Easy Great Sounding Hifi Streaming for your High End Audio & Stereo System! - YouTube

John is a great guy - be sure to tell him hello for me.
 
I tried the Waversa filter and I remember it has a completely different sound than Gigafoil.

Only way to know is to try both.

But filters sound different than fiber.

Of course I wanted to keep the Waversa since it didn’t need a linear power supply.

But Gigafoil is still here and hasn’t gone anywhere.
 
I tried the Waversa filter and I remember it has a completely different sound than Gigafoil.

Only way to know is to try both.

But filters sound different than fiber.

Of course I wanted to keep the Waversa since it didn’t need a linear power supply.

But Gigafoil is still here and hasn’t gone anywhere.

Interesting. How long did you let the Waversa burn in for?

Every system is different, but on my system it wasn't even close. The Waversa was superior to the GF.
 
Hello, maybe someone here can help me. I bought a gigaFoil inline v4 and sadly it hasn't been an improvement in my system. Can anyone recommend an affordable linear PS that will improve the sound of the gigaFoil? I've heard ifi mentioned. Does anyone have experience with a particular PS of theirs (or anyone else's) that reveals the benefits of the gigaFoil and won't break the bank?

For the purposes of this conversation, I'd like to approach it as "with everything else being equal" - Only asking about the power supply specifically and not about cables, switches, power conditioners, tweaks, etc. And yes, I understand that this is subjective and system dependent, but I appreciate other peoples' experience and advice.

Thanks in advance!
 
Interesting. How long did you let the Waversa burn in for?

Every system is different, but on my system it wasn't even close. The Waversa was superior to the GF.

I don’t quite remember now, but I had it for a week.

Gigafoil performance is so dependent upon the power supply and power conditioner.

Ethernet filters like the Waversa and Network Acoustics Eno/Muon have a particular sound.
 
Mike, thank you and if I might ask, would the P6 be the model that you would recommend?

Based on my ownership and experience with a Keces P3 since 2019, I personally cannot recommend a Keces power supply. I would recommend getting a Teddy Pardo or Farad, instead. I'm basing this recommendation on first-hand experience with a Keces P3. I used a Keces P3, which had dual rails for powering two devices, for my SOtM network bridge for over 3 years. When I would also use the other rail to power my EtherREGEN, I could clearly hear more grunge, grit, and grain using the P3 than when using the Uptone LPS-1.2 to power ER. Looking back on it, if I were to go back to a system using a network brige, or something like the Gigafoil, etc., I'd be looking at HDPlex (which are currently on back-order), Teddy Pardo, or Farad. I'm currently looking for an LPS to power Alita, Battle Angel (my Akasa-cased NUC Roon server), and Keces is not among the ones I'm looking at. Of course, YMMV, but my thought was some other VOC (Voice of the Customer) based on real-world, extensive, first-hand experience, might provide some context for your decision.

Just my 2¢. Cheers.
 
I have had good luck with several Keces LPS. Currently using a Keces P8 on a Intel NUC..... and with superb results.....

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Thanks, Puma and MRJAZZ. Your real world experience and evaluations are appreciated.

In reading further, the Sbooster keeps circling back in to the discussion. Wondering if that might be a good bet. I remember when I got my first LUMIN (D2), the dealer I bought it from recommended the Sbooster. I didn't get it because it requires opening the LUMIN and cutting a wire which would void the warranty. Hmmm... now that the warranty has run out on both my D2 and T2, I might try one for one of those units, but I digress...

But back to the gigaFoil - anyone with experience powering one with an Sbooster?
 
Thanks, Puma and MRJAZZ. Your real world experience and evaluations are appreciated.

In reading further, the Sbooster keeps circling back in to the discussion. Wondering if that might be a good bet. I remember when I got my first LUMIN (D2), the dealer I bought it from recommended the Sbooster. I didn't get it because it requires opening the LUMIN and cutting a wire which would void the warranty. Hmmm... now that the warranty has run out on both my D2 and T2, I might try one for one of those units, but I digress...

But back to the gigaFoil - anyone with experience powering one with an Sbooster?

I am still really surprised it isn't sounding really good from the factory. Even in its stock condition it was a nice upgrade for me.
 
I am still really surprised it isn't sounding really good from the factory. Even in its stock condition it was a nice upgrade for me.

+1 on the surprise. The rig was sounding good fed by ethernet from switch to T2. With the gigaFoil in place, I just haven't noticed anything getting better. I've tried Avanti Vivace from switch to gigaFoil and WW Starlight 8 from gF to LUMIN and the other way around without much difference. I believe they are both fine cables.
 
+1 on the surprise. The rig was sounding good fed by ethernet from switch to T2. With the gigaFoil in place, I just haven't noticed anything getting better. I've tried Avanti Vivace from switch to gigaFoil and WW Starlight 8 from gF to LUMIN and the other way around without much difference. I believe they are both fine cables.

Okay, perhaps some technical background info would be helpul here to put things into context to help shape "domain understanding", as it were. The reason that placing or installing an "optical link" e.g. a Gigafoil, between say, a router or switch, and an endpoint, e.g. an upstream switch, network bridge, or streamer to improve audio quality is that many "consumer-grade" or "generic" networking devices are powered by very cheap, generic switch-mode power supplies. These generic power supplies put what is known as "low-source" and high-source" impedance leakage current onto networking cables, e.g. Ethernet cables, etc. This leakage current is actually AC, alternating current. The leakage current causes what is known as "threshold jitter', which is not the same as random jitter or deterministic jitter. The main problem that threshold jitter causes are timing errors, and our brains, which are quantum computers, are exquisitely sensitive to timing errors when listening to music; we can discern timing errors in the picosecond domain, which is why high-end digital audio devices must utilize femtoclocks.

What the optical transceivers are doing when they convert the eletrical signal to light, and then back to an electrical signal again to at the destination end. The reason that installing a "run of optical" mitigates this is because quite simply leakage current cannot pass as "light". There is nothing "magical" or "woo-woo" about these optical transceivers, they are standard networking product built to a consistent set of standards.. And this is why you don't need to buy a Gigafoil and LPS to implement a run of optical between a "dirty" switch or router and an audio networking endpoint. Exactly the same functionality can be obtained by using a couple FMCs (e.g. TP-link), some quality optical transceivers (e.g. Finisar or Planet Tech), a run of LC/LC optical fiber, and a coupla $12 Jameco Reliapro wall-wart style linear power supplies. Physics does not care one bit about WHO implements functionality (what we can in engineering, a transfer function), only HOW.

The reason that "audio grade" FMCs, e.g. those in the Sonore OpticalModule Deluxe, and switches e.g. EtherREGEN, SOtM sNH-10G, Melco, etc., produce higher audio quality than "generic" FMCs is they have better RJ45 jacks with better quality isolation transformers and better quality clocks. The better quality clocks also reduce phase noise, which our hearing is also very sensitive to.

Now, coming back to your setup, if I were to hypothesize, it's your Lumin T2 that is mitigating or attenuating noise, threshold jitter, timing errors, or phase noise from the switch. Lumin is really good at this; I've been very impressed with how thoroughly Lumin thinks things through and then implements effective designs and functionality. For example, they very likely are using a very high-quality RJ45 jacks with quality isolation transformers and a very good clocking system in the T2. These solid design factors and engineering solutions likely explain why you're getting such good results with your setup from the switch to your T2.
 
We now have audiophile grade impedance leakage diapers to stop impedance leakage.
 
+1 on the surprise. The rig was sounding good fed by ethernet from switch to T2. With the gigaFoil in place, I just haven't noticed anything getting better. I've tried Avanti Vivace from switch to gigaFoil and WW Starlight 8 from gF to LUMIN and the other way around without much difference. I believe they are both fine cables.

BTW, JCS, when I was implementing my original streaming setup using an EtherREGEN and a network bridge, I conducted what is known as a competitive benchmarking, testing quite a few Ethernet cables in my setup, including WW Startlight Cat 8. If you'd like some more info about that study, just send me a PM, I can provide you with info on my findings. Cheers.
 
Apologies if this post of mine offends someone, but I felt I need to chime in. I have been there, done that, all things you can think of, filters, fiber “boxes”, Ethernet switches… By far, the best are these:

https://www.networkacoustics.com/product-category/streaming-systems/

And, you don’t need any power supply. They are passive

I hope this does not offend anyone. Mike: please feel free to delete if inappropriate. Just sharing my own hands on experiences
 
Apologies if this post of mine offends someone, but I felt I need to chime in. I have been there, done that, all things you can think of, filters, fiber “boxes”, Ethernet switches… By far, the best are these:

Streaming Systems – Network Acoustics

And, you don’t need any power supply. They are passive

I hope this does not offend anyone. Mike: please feel free to delete if inappropriate. Just sharing my own hands on experiences

Yes, I've heard good things about these as well. Hans Beekhuizen has reviewed them very favorably, and IIRC, uses them in at least one of his set-ups.
 
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