Could you survive with streaming music only?

Absolutely I could. The nostalgic won't agree, they need to hold onto the memories of their youth. I get that, I'm old enough to be able to relate but I'm also objective enough to realize the efforts to play a few songs at a time, budget limits and storage limits with vinyl. On top of that, digital sonics has come incredibly far as to surpass analog (maybe not tape) $ for sonics until you spend significant $ (IME $15K and above). If you optimize your network chain streaming comes incredibly close to locally stored music and as others have said, there are millions of songs available at your fingertips. A great time to be an audiophile!
 
Joe,

As you know, I've been using the MUTEC MC-3+ reclocker these past few weeks.
Streaming is the one area where I have noticed the biggest improvements.

Even on Spotify, normally thinned out digital is getting fleshed out with meaty sound that is very enjoyable.

Regards



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No I could not. Not in my Hifi world. Which is very important to me. And i'm not talking CD's here.

To me selecting, putting on and listening to a record is so much more. No stream or CD can do that. It's difficult to describe why.

It's like a great meal vs fast food. Like a glas vs. a plastic cup. It's more intense and more relaxing. It's an event, it's always deep and never "in the background".

Would I survive in a 100% digital audio world without vinyl? Yes, as a human being, not as a person.
 
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Yes, Chris, that was my intent. I know some have attained an extremely high level of digital playback but the total system is involved.

Computer or server, no or minimal storage, hooked up directly to a nice dac or cd player with digital inputs - done. No messing around, no super fancy stuff.

I could. I don’t mean to start a war.

I have the nas, etc. but realize it’ll probably take a lot more to reach the ultimate network music performance most here have.

I was thinking out loud about what level could be “enough”.

There’s so much choice between Qobuz, Tidal, RadioParadise, Deezer, RadioTunes and the other remaining couple of services that there’s not enough time to listen to everything.

At this point, I can get the same emotional response from those services as I can from stored music.

I realize vinyl is really on another level but I don’t have the patience or discipline to master it.
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The question whether someone can live w/o owning any music, just relying on a subscription service, might have been closer to your intent, I guess.


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Kuoppis said:
The question whether someone can live w/o owning any music, just relying on a subscription service, might have been closer to your intent, I guess.


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Stated that way does make more sense, I’ll agree. :)
 
Kuoppis said:
The question whether someone can live w/o owning any music, just relying on a subscription service, might have been closer to your intent, I guess.


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Easy swap for me today, although I realize that when I first heard of Spotify years ago I was not sure if it would succeed. That’s because at the time I felt that most folks (including me at the time) wanted to own their music not to mention SQ. Judging by the marketplace (and the majority of responders to this thread) folks are making the swap.

Now, what if the question becomes: Would you stop buying books if the entire Library of Congress was digitally available to you to read at your pleasure at anytime you please? To me that would be much more difficult.
 
nicoff said:
Easy swap for me today, although I realize that when I first heard of Spotify years ago I was not sure if it would succeed. That’s because at the time I felt that most folks (including me at the time) wanted to own their music not to mention SQ. Judging by the marketplace (and the majority of responders to this thread) folks are making the swap.

Now, what if the question becomes: Would you stop buying books if the entire Library of Congress was digitally available to you to read at your pleasure at anytime you please? To me that would be much more difficult.
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To me also your question is a valid one.

As for music, easy swap for digital files vs. streaming. Yet I like to own my vinyls.

As for books, a lots of material is available digitally. But I’ve yet to enjoy a Tom Clancy or Dan Brown digitally. Needs to be a book, hardcover too. Different for work related materials though.


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Kuoppis said:
To me also your question is a valid one.

As for music, easy swap for digital files vs. streaming. Yet I like to own my vinyls.

As for books, a lots of material is available digitally. But I’ve yet to enjoy a Tom Clancy or Dan Brown digitally. Needs to be a book, hardcover too. Different for work related materials though.


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Good point in regards to a book, and I agree hard cover


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Definitely prefer reading a book over reading on a computer. I even print out the research stuff I come with at work since I do not like reading on the screen. Hard cover books all the way for
me!

If the discriminating factor is referring to a subscription service or not then 100% yes, I can survive with on online as a human (because I still have some music available), but I would not enjoy it nearly as much as a person. From collecting music that I own (vinyl, downloads, silver disks, etc.), and at least as important to me, I feel I am supporting the artist who create the music that I enjoy so much by buying their music more so than the insanely low amounts they get from streaming services. It is simply my preference and my way of thanking these incredibly talented people.
 
Randy Myers said:
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at least as important to me, I feel I am supporting the artist who create the music that I enjoy so much by buying their music more so than the insanely low amounts they get from streaming services. It is simply my preference and my way of thanking these incredibly talented people.
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If you are not buying the CD again or downloading it again, then you are not supporting the artists. In fact, you will continue to support the artist more if you stream their music.
 
In fact I actually do purchase music again for stuff I really like. I actually purchase both digital and vinyl versions of new music many times. If I can purchase straight from the artist that is my first choice. Liz Longley actually wrote out a nice post card and included with her new album when I bought it directly from her. Lyn Stanley, who I consider a personal friend, has told me on more than one occasion that what she makes from streaming is little to nothing versus purchasing her music directly from her. Every one of her albums I have purchased in multiple formats because of this. Maybe one reason she held an extremely low number pressing of her direct 2 disk album for me.

Artist definitely make more from fans purchasing their music than they do from streaming services. It is simply a fact. I am not saying that anyone should not stream. By all means, enjoy music however you prefer. For me, if I find any artist I like I will usually buy several of their recordings. It is just my preference and what makes me feel I am doing my part.
 
Randy Myers said:
In fact I actually do purchase music again for stuff I really like. I actually purchase both digital and vinyl versions of new music many times. If I can purchase straight from the artist that is my first choice. Liz Longley actually wrote out a nice post card and included with her new album when I bought it directly from her. Lyn Stanley, who I consider a personal friend, has told me on more than one occasion that what she makes from streaming is little to nothing versus purchasing her music directly from her. Every one of her albums I have purchased in multiple formats because of this. Maybe one reason she held an extremely low number pressing of her direct 2 disk album for me.

Artist definitely make more from fans purchasing their music than they do from streaming services. It is simply a fact. I am not saying that anyone should not stream. By all means, enjoy music however you prefer. For me, if I find any artist I like I will usually buy several of their recordings. It is just my preference and what makes me feel I am doing my part.
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Not sure where I would send a check to the musicians of my favorite genre. I listen to a lot of hardbop Jazz from the mid 50s to mid 60s and most of those guys are long gone... may they RIP.
 
Randy Myers said:
In fact I actually do purchase music again for stuff I really like. I actually purchase both digital and vinyl versions of new music many times. If I can purchase straight from the artist that is my first choice. Liz Longley actually wrote out a nice post card and included with her new album when I bought it directly from her. Lyn Stanley, who I consider a personal friend, has told me on more than one occasion that what she makes from streaming is little to nothing versus purchasing her music directly from her. Every one of her albums I have purchased in multiple formats because of this. Maybe one reason she held an extremely low number pressing of her direct 2 disk album for me.

Artist definitely make more from fans purchasing their music than they do from streaming services. It is simply a fact. I am not saying that anyone should not stream. By all means, enjoy music however you prefer. For me, if I find any artist I like I will usually buy several of their recordings. It is just my preference and what makes me feel I am doing my part.
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All of the artists that I bought their LPs and CDs from already got the money.

They get extra money (from me) when I stream their music from a subscription service.

If you really want to help the artists, you should 1) buy their music and 2) also stream it. That way they get two sources of revenues.
 
nicoff said:
All of the artists that I bought their LPs and CDs from already got the money.

They get extra money (from me) when I stream their music from a subscription service.

If you really want to help the artists, you should 1) buy their music and 2) also stream it. That way they get two sources of revenues.
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I do not disagree, however the point I was making is that many/most people who's main source of music is streaming do not purchase music, from the artist or otherwise. Therefore streaming as an alternate to purchasing is what I refer to. Again, if streaming is someone's choice that is their business. My choice is to purchase. Most artist would very much prefer that their fans purchase if it were an either or.
 
Randy Myers said:
I do not disagree, however the point I was making is that many/most people who's main source of music is streaming do not purchase music, from the artist or otherwise. Therefore streaming as an alternate to purchasing is what I refer to. Again, if streaming is someone's choice that is their business. My choice is to purchase. Most artist would very much prefer that their fans purchase if it were an either or.
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And streaming pays these artist and their music bus counterparts a pity amount. Royalties are basically the amount paid to any rights-holders when a song (or any creation) is sold, distributed, used in other media (like a commercial or movie), or monetized in any way. Each song is split into two separate copyrights: composition (lyrics, melody) and sound recording owned by the record label and recording artists.

Composition copyrights: Owned by songwriters and publishers
Sound recording copyrights: Owned by the record label and recording artists

The royalties are split among all these people, at various rates negotiated amongst record labels and agencies. Tidal for instance pays for one stream (according to soundcharts for 2020) "pay per stream rate of $0.00989", so that figure if one song is streamed or 10000, or 1 million the dollars are pretty limited to all.

I still buy CD's and LP's. but no longer buy downloads, I would rather have the media in hand, call me old fashion.
 
I could and do live without it......at least for now.

A lot of interesting views and clearly streaming is the preference for many. However, there has not been one mention of how the streaming model impacts the artists getting paid. It was mention up-thread:

"Total time spent on acquiring all the albums above 4 min.
Total extra expenditure $0."

One pays $15/mo to have access to unlimited music, it's sort of like the original napster. I'm over simplifying but you get the gist.

To me that is one of the biggest turnoff's to the streaming model. I would guess/hope as the streaming model continues to mature, hopefully artists get what they deserve. The amount of time, effort, sweat and money etc.. that goes into creating just one album (from the artist perspective) is mind blowing if you think about it and it almost seems like its free for immediate consumption. Part of that just doesn't sit well with me, but that's just my view. Again there is a lot of moving parts to this and I am only bringing this up as a perspective.

Also I don't have any current metrics on the state of artist getting paid in the streaming model nor am I pointing fingers. I too have a spotify acct (family) but I use for discovery and then purchase.

I continue to with buy CD's (from artists page, bandcamp) or the best dig download I can find. Qobuz has a 3 month trial going which I'll prob try.

* lol, I hadn't seen the last few paragraphs as it relates to artist / pay when I posted.
 
I'm hedging my bets. So no, streaming isn't an exlusive thing for me.
We don't live at the edge of the civilized world, but you can see it from here. Internet is dicey.
I still play records a lot and some of them make the best music my system has ever made.
And I have amassed a large digital library that lives on a NAS device.

Here's the thing that gets me about streaming.
It has never been profitable. For anyone. Ever.
Tidal and Qobuz are still losing money and relying on investors to provide operating capital.
Spotify is, so far, in the hole by $2.8 Bn since inception. They occasionally have a positive quarter wrt EBIT, never a positive year.

What is going to happen?
 
W9TR said:
I'm hedging my bets. So no, streaming isn't an exlusive thing for me.
We don't live at the edge of the civilized world, but you can see it from here. Internet is dicey.
I still play records a lot and some of them make the best music my system has ever made.
And I have amassed a large digital library that lives on a NAS device.

Here's the thing that gets me about streaming.
It has never been profitable. For anyone. Ever.
Tidal and Qobuz are still losing money and relying on investors to provide operating capital.
Spotify is, so far, in the hole by $2.8 Bn since inception. They occasionally have a positive quarter wrt EBIT, never a positive year.

What is going to happen?
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Youtube will take over... :D
 
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