Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Results 1 to 25 of 25
  1. #1
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Have a fascinating experience to share. After my dog destroyed one of my Magico S3 mk2 bass drivers (literally ripped it off - had to buy a whole new driver from the US and have it installed for SG$3k) she most recently decided my MIT SL-Matrix 70 (SG$7.5k) speaker cable was steak. I skipped the anger and denial stages of grieving and went straight to depression. After 4 weeks of no music I decided to find some cheaper cables. Found a family-owned specialist cable company in Singapore - the father was an engineer for Canare cables back in the day, set up his own retail shop, and sells them, but orders custom-modified. I wanted to but some “decent” cables such that if my terrorist dog ate them again, I would not go bankrupt. So, here is the rub: got their best cables with furutech connectors and an additional coating to hopefully mitigate the jowls of my dog. All for… wait for it…. US$500. 2x 3 metres. Inspected the build quality and it is all copper with each cable comprising 4 x separately insulated wires. 50 hours in and they were awful: muddy. Am 80 hours in now. Recommended burn in is 100 hours. MIT’s sounded better but… not by much tbh at the 80 hour mark. Go figure!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  2. #2
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2019
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    785

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    That had to be a difficult period with no music. Those small family cables sound like a deal and a half. I think I'd be sending Fluffy to the dog house outside.

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Have a fascinating experience to share. After my dog destroyed one of my Magico S3 mk2 bass drivers (literally ripped it off - had to buy a whole new driver from the US and have it installed for SG$3k) she most recently decided my MIT SL-Matrix 70 (SG$7.5k) speaker cable was steak. I skipped the anger and denial stages of grieving and went straight to depression. After 4 weeks of no music I decided to find some cheaper cables. Found a family-owned specialist cable company in Singapore - the father was an engineer for Canare cables back in the day, set up his own retail shop, and sells them, but orders custom-modified. I wanted to but some “decent” cables such that if my terrorist dog ate them again, I would not go bankrupt. So, here is the rub: got their best cables with furutech connectors and an additional coating to hopefully mitigate the jowls of my dog. All for… wait for it…. US$500. 2x 3 metres. Inspected the build quality and it is all copper with each cable comprising 4 x separately insulated wires. 50 hours in and they were awful: muddy. Am 80 hours in now. Recommended burn in is 100 hours. MIT’s sounded better but… not by much tbh at the 80 hour mark. Go figure!
    Sincerely,

    Calvin

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvin View Post
    That had to be a difficult period with no music. Those small family cables sound like a deal and a half. I think I'd be sending Fluffy to the dog house outside.
    Oh man, Zena was on death row after the speaker terrorist attack!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  4. #4
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Trying to upload photos of the destruction but asks for a URL and not sure how to do that
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  5. #5
    Super Moderator
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    18,507

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    I’m sorry about the destruction.
    Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.

    Valvet E3, Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595a, Enleum AMP-23r (aka Bakoon)
    https://enleum.com/

    NAD C 658 streamer.

    First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)

    Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.

    Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.

  6. #6
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Thanks Joe. Rod and back spring to mind! All good. At least I got to inspect the Magico driver in detail. A few surface scratches but pleased to report it is dog-proof
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Am more interested in how these $500 cables stand up
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  8. #8
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2017
    Location
    North Carolina
    Posts
    649

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not listening or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not around or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.
    I like the grills off and paid a big price. They are on now!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Central FL
    Posts
    643

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Sorry to hear about the troubles. To upload a file from the PC one needs to select the 'Go Advanced' option on the bottom right and then there will be an icom with a paper clip to attach a picture from your PC.
    Main System - Lumin U1, Modwright LS36.5 DM Preamp, LSA modded LSA Voyager Amp, EMM Labs DAC 2X (ver. 2), Torus RM-20, Thiel CS 3.7s, 2 Rel Storm III subs
    Back-up 1 - EVS 1200 Amp, Oppo 103D, 2 Richard Gray cond, Selah SA-2s, Rel Strata III sub, Teac UD-503 DAC, Sherbourn Pre-1
    Back-up 2 - Onkyo TX-NR797, Panasonic DP-UB9000, Vansevers cond, B&W P6s, Sumiko S.5 sub

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2013
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    3,393

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Sorry about the terrorism at home. Glad things are almost back to normal.
    _______________

    Mike

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Silicon Valley
    Posts
    2,737

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    I have used the metal grills that came with my S3 MkIIs as grandchild/house cleaner protectors when I'm not listening or potential 'threats' are about. The magnetic fasteners are perfect for this application since they don't show wear with repeated use.
    Same with the S5. I take the grills off when listening, and put them on when finished. I had four cats at one point and if they got close and looked at the speakers I would go into berserk mode and make them move. After that they would ignore the speakers even when sitting right in front of them while playing music.
    Bud

    Lumin X1 file player
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson V.3 four shelf solid maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.

  13. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    St. Louis, MO, USA
    Posts
    2,174

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Wow, I can't even imagine the emotions if I had something like that happen to my speakers.

    $500 to $7500 is quite a value ratio. It would be interesting to be able to side by side compare to your model MIT. The MIT, or any cable, would have to be a good measure better to justify the cost difference.
    Aurender ACS10 w/Audioquest Diamond USB,
    Mark Levinson #526, 532h, JBL 4367's
    Clearaudio Performance DC w/Maestro cart
    All Clarus Crimson cabling, AC to binding post. Surgex
    HT: Marantz AV8003, Linn 5125, JBL SAM3ha, Revel s30,
    SVS PC13 Ultra
    Transparent, Analysis Plus & Tributaries. PS Audio filtering
    Sony XBR-75X940D & BDP
    Parasound P6, Coda CSX, Artisan speakers

  14. #14
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Absolutely I need to do a test. Looking forward to it. Does anyone know Canare cables? Understand they are (or were originally) Japanese but that they are in the US also.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  15. #15
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    virginia
    Posts
    308

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    do you have the name of the company or website..?
    Listening Room: 25' L x 18' W x 23' H..system on the long wall
    Speakers: Tidal 'Contriva Diacera-SE
    Amps: Chalice Audio 'Grail' SET mono blocks with Psvane WE 845 / 300b tubes
    Source: Lumin X-1 Network Music Player
    HighFidelity MC-1 Pro Helix conditioner
    Cables:
    LessLoss C-MARC RCA interconnect
    SilverSmith 'Fidelium' speaker cables
    Silent Source 'Music Reference' Power Cords x 3
    Innuos 'PhoenixNet' Switch

    Sablon Ethernet cable
    Audioquest 'FogLifters' under the Fidelium cables
    Arya Audio-RevOpods under my Tidal Speakers
    REL 212 SE Subwoofer x 2
    EtherREGEN/ Keces PSU / WireWorld 'Starlight'
    Ethernet cable
    EVP Isolation footers- subs-speakers- Lumin


    Tweaks:
    Stillpoints Ultra SS under amps
    EVP HDR isolators 2" x 8...under my Lumin A1 and PSU
    EVP HDR isolators 4" x 16..under my Tidal speakers and my REL 212 SE subs

  16. #16
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by calloway View Post
    do you have the name of the company or website..?
    Canare.com
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    "Clueless" in California
    Posts
    1,198

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    Absolutely I need to do a test. Looking forward to it. Does anyone know Canare cables? Understand they are (or were originally) Japanese but that they are in the US also.
    ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11
    TURNTABLE TechDAS Airforce III | TONEARM Graham Phantom III | CARTRIDGE ZYX Omega X SB2 + Lyra Etna SL | PHONO STAGE Boulder 1008 | DIGITAL Innuos MiniZen II + M2Tech Young + Palmer PS | LINE STAGE Boulder 810 | AMPLIFIERS Boulder 850 Monos | SPEAKERS Magico A5 | RACK Adona Eris 6DW | CABLES Mogami + Canare

  18. #18
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11
    Thanks for this! I need to do a blind test and it has been more than a month since I listened to my system with my MITs but am astounded at the quality of sound these US$500 cables are producing. Full soundstage. Bass is perhaps a little lacking but only 90 hours in.

    Let’s see.
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  19. #19
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Some context is needed. Canare is the cable manufacturer. The Singapore retailer orders and also custom designs (my cables apparently are weighted slightly more to mid and high ranges). My retailer buys in bulk and sells to AV companies, so some scale. And they do not sell the “brand” so no brand premium. Can’t wait to see how they stand up against the MITs!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  20. #20
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Spain
    Posts
    509

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Be careful, if something bad happens to the dog by eating the components of its system, it may be reported for animal abuse. “Poor doggy"
    Francisco

    Aries Cerat Kassandra Ref. MKII / Melco N1ZH60-2 / Gryphon Essence Preamplifier and Stereo Amplifier / Rockport Atria I / REL S-812 (1) / Göbel XLR (2), Göbel Ethernet and USB Cables / Sablon Ethernet Cable / Audio Quest Diamond Ethernet Cable / MIT Magnum MA Speakers Cables / Shunyata Everest 8000 / Shunyata Omega XC (1), Sigma NR V2 (3), Sigma NR V1(1) and Alfa NR V1 (2) / Innuos Phoenix USB / Melco S-100 Pink Faun OCXO Upgraded / Innuos Phoenix Next / Paul Hynes SR7T Double Rail / Farad Super3 / Doepke DFS-2 40A /GigaWatt G-C16A 2P / Fuse module AHP 4Gi / Center Stage2 0.8, 1.0 and 1.5

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Location
    Singapore
    Posts
    779

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by nonesup View Post
    Be careful, if something bad happens to the dog by eating the components of its system, it may be reported for animal abuse. “Poor doggy"
    I quickly realised that it was all my fault. The key to a successful marriage!
    Digital: Innuos Zenith Mk3 Server + MSB Premier DAC with Powerbase
    Amp: Gryphon Pandora + Gryphon Antileon Evo Stereo
    Speakers: Magico S3 MkII
    Cables: MIT SL-Matrix 36 XLR interconnect cables + 70 speaker cables; AQ Diamond & Vodka ethernet cables
    Power: AQ Niagara 5000 + AQ Tornado power cables
    Headphones (travel): Sennheiser Momentum + Chord Mojo

  22. #22

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11
    Am a fan of Mogami for good reason.

  23. #23

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    ive been using Canare for years along with Mogami, both pro audio cables made in Japan. FWIW Magico internally wires their speakers with Canare 4S11
    No Mundorf
    "We all know real when we hear it"

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    "Clueless" in California
    Posts
    1,198

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Quote Originally Posted by Kingsrule View Post
    No Mundorf
    these are stacks of S3 crossovers the 4S11 in gray jackets are easy to pick out. Other pics online showing 4S11 cable used in M project speakers too.

    TURNTABLE TechDAS Airforce III | TONEARM Graham Phantom III | CARTRIDGE ZYX Omega X SB2 + Lyra Etna SL | PHONO STAGE Boulder 1008 | DIGITAL Innuos MiniZen II + M2Tech Young + Palmer PS | LINE STAGE Boulder 810 | AMPLIFIERS Boulder 850 Monos | SPEAKERS Magico A5 | RACK Adona Eris 6DW | CABLES Mogami + Canare

  25. #25

    Re: An interesting experience with speaker cables

    Taking off the speaker connector panel on my MProjects, clearly Mundorf to the binding posts
    Of course couldn't see the XOver boards. Maybe the lesser speakers use different cable. Maybe there is a combination used

    I havent taken the panel off my M6's so can't comment on that model
    "We all know real when we hear it"

AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.

AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.

The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.

At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com

Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team

An interesting experience with speaker cables

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •