Welcome to the AudioShark Forums.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 56
  1. #1
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    B&W 801D4 review

    Bowers & Wilkins 801 D4 Loudspeaker - The Absolute Sound


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  2. #2
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Wimpy amps need not apply:

    Discovering How Amplifiers Dramatically Affect Loudspeaker Output - The Absolute Sound


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2014
    Location
    USA
    Posts
    3,313

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    If I was just getting into this hobby and had $35,000 to spend, the 801 D4ís would be at the very top of my list. The improvements made in the latest version of these speakers has eliminated the last bit of edginess that existed in the treble. The transparency, neutrality, detail and imaging of the midrange and treble is right there with best speakers on the market. The bass is accurate, robust and impactful. In short, I love the way these speakers sound.

    Ken
    "No summit worth climbing is easily attained."
    --------------------------------------------
    Source: MSB Select II DAC with Two Mono Powerbases and Femto 33 Clock; Renderer V2 Digital Input Module and Roon Nucleus Plus; MSB UMT V Signature Transport
    Amps: Vandersteen M7-HPA Mono Amps; MSB M204 Mono Amps
    Speakers: Vandersteen Model 7 Mk2
    Power: Two AudioQuest Niagara 5000ís with AudioQuest Dragon and Hurricane Power Cords

  4. #4

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Interesting that the review talks about "stunning" results at the CAF last fall while the 801's were powered by the large McIntosh amps.

    I thought that room was one of the worst in the show. Way too small of room for these big speakers. Bass "boom" was significant. Volume way WAY too loud.

    My jury is still out for these speakers. Looking forward to a time when I can hear them properly amped and positioned in appropriately large room. (I presume the big Classe monoblocks would be great, but I'd be most curious about the pairing with the Block Audio's!)
    Kevin

    VPI Aries 3/Grado Reference3, and Aurender N200 > PS Audio DS DAC. Luxman L-595A integrated amp. Sonus Faber Elipsa SE speakers. PS Audio P5 and P10. Transparent Audio, Cardas and Audioquest cables.

  5. #5
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
    Interesting that the review talks about "stunning" results at the CAF last fall while the 801's were powered by the large McIntosh amps.

    I thought that room was one of the worst in the show. Way too small of room for these big speakers. Bass "boom" was significant. Volume way WAY too loud.

    My jury is still out for these speakers. Looking forward to a time when I can hear them properly amped and positioned in appropriately large room. (I presume the big Classe monoblocks would be great, but I'd be most curious about the pairing with the Block Audio's!)
    Come on down for a listen! We have the 802D4ís with the Block Audioís. I can attest, itís a fantastic combo.

    I also agree with you about what you heard at CAF.

    Way too small of a room.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  6. #6
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Review: Bowers & Wilkins 801 D4 | Bowers & Wilkins 801 D4


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  7. #7
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    14

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by 4N6 View Post
    Interesting that the review talks about "stunning" results at the CAF last fall while the 801's were powered by the large McIntosh amps.

    I thought that room was one of the worst in the show. Way too small of room for these big speakers. Bass "boom" was significant. Volume way WAY too loud.
    )
    I second your impressions!!!! Most disappointing room indeed, sadly . I stayed there for a long time, REALLY tried to like them , asked to play my cuts, but the results were artificial and processed sounding, fake caramel sweetness, without any core as far as timbre, and musical, organic sense. I am sure the culprit were the Macintosh amps and preamps that are mediocre at best (notice I did not say "SUCK BIG TIME, and only appeal to those with small @#%$ complex)....

  8. #8
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by AudioLibertarian View Post
    I second your impressions!!!! Most disappointing room indeed, sadly I stayed there for a long time, REALLY tried to liked them , asked to play my cuts, but the results were artificial and processed sounding, fake caramel sweetness, without any core as far as timbre, and organic sense. I am sure the culprit were the Macintosh amps and preamps that are mediocre at best (notice I did not say "SUCK BIG TIME, and only appeal to those with small @#%$ complex)....
    Why people continue to pair Mc with B&W is beyond me.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  9. #9
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    69

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Interesting comments. I pair my McIntosh 611ís with B&W 802D3ís and really enjoy the results. Not sounding like fake caramel to me.
    B&W 802D3
    B&W 805D2
    B&W HTM1D3
    McIntosh MC 611ís
    Classe 5300
    Classe Sigma SSP
    Lumin T2
    Audioquest Fire and Earth interconnects
    Shunyata Alpha2 power cord
    Shunyata Sigma2 Ethernet

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Los Angeles
    Posts
    1,771

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    I think bc it helped with the tweeter. B&W has a tailored sound which many obviously like. The latest measurements don't seem much different than prior versions. I like the new look quite a bit, would enjoy hearing a pair.
    Brinkmann Bardo w/ EMT HSD-006 cart, MSB Reference DAC --> Linear Tube Audio MicroZOTL --> Ampzilla 2000, 2nd Edition --> Fyne Audio F1-12

  11. #11
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2015
    Location
    Front Row Center
    Posts
    3,245

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by AudioLibertarian View Post
    I second your impressions!!!! Most disappointing room indeed, sadly I stayed there for a long time, REALLY tried to liked them , asked to play my cuts, but the results were artificial and processed sounding, fake caramel sweetness, without any core as far as timbre, and organic sense. I am sure the culprit were the Macintosh amps and preamps that are mediocre at best (notice I did not say "SUCK BIG TIME, and only appeal to those with small @#%$ complex)....
    While i can agree on the McIntosh SS preamps and some of their amps being Dreaded , they have also had a few pretty impressive amps over the decades , both toobs and SS ..!



    Regards
    * An Audiophile is only as old as his tweeters ..!!

  12. #12

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Strange!
    Why is it that 90% (?) of conversations about B&W are about or end up being about amplification?

  13. #13
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Strange!
    Why is it that 90% (?) of conversations about B&W are about or end up being about amplification?
    They have a tricky impedance curve and dip close to 1ohm at several frequencies (1.4, 1.6, etc). Finding the right amp is key.

    B&W 801 D4 Loudspeaker | Hi-Fi News

    B&W 801 D4 Loudspeaker Lab Report | Hi-Fi News


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    May 2021
    Location
    Australia
    Posts
    56

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They have a tricky impedance curve and dip close to 1ohm at several frequencies (1.4, 1.6, etc). Finding the right amp is key.
    Are those minimum impedances correct, Mike?
    From HFN/RR: minimum is 3.4ohm at 96Hz.
    Certainly you are right that finding the right amp IS key!

  15. #15
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    69

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by ICUToo View Post
    Are those minimum impedances correct, Mike?
    From HFN/RR: minimum is 3.4ohm at 96Hz.
    Certainly you are right that finding the right amp IS key!
    Those minimum impedance numbers are more accurate.
    B&W 802D3
    B&W 805D2
    B&W HTM1D3
    McIntosh MC 611ís
    Classe 5300
    Classe Sigma SSP
    Lumin T2
    Audioquest Fire and Earth interconnects
    Shunyata Alpha2 power cord
    Shunyata Sigma2 Ethernet

  16. #16
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by ICUToo View Post
    Are those minimum impedances correct, Mike?
    From HFN/RR: minimum is 3.4ohm at 96Hz.
    Certainly you are right that finding the right amp IS key!
    Correct, I was confusing with the 800D3. The new D4, although still not idea for low powered tube amps, isnít as taxing as the previous generation. This really is a greatly improved version in so many ways, including amp load!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  17. #17
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2017
    Location
    New York City
    Posts
    14

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    @Audiofan57

    Well... Truth be told, I ve listened to that combo of yours of 611 and 802D3 extensively, and I kinda of enjoyed the combo ALOT! Now, its still not the combo I would buy personally, but we all have our own sonic preferences. I was actually considering buying just the 802D3 at that point, but was using medium power EL 34 power amp that would not have driven those 802D3 even remotely to their full potential, and Jadis 500 amps were just too much money , so I passed. My friend however bought those 802s based on mine recommendation and is happy using them with Symphonic Line monoblocks.... The entire 800 D3 series are STILL fantastic speakers, and are competitive with most TOFL of any brand, IMHO.

  18. #18

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    They have a tricky impedance curve and dip close to 1ohm at several frequencies (1.4, 1.6, etc). Finding the right amp is key.

    [
    Thanks Mike.
    But it seems like looking for a needle in a haystack.

  19. #19
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Spock View Post
    Thanks Mike.
    But it seems like looking for a needle in a haystack.
    On the older 800D3 series, yes, agreed. This new series (D4) seems much more benign.


    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  20. #20
    Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2020
    Location
    Fort Wayne
    Posts
    69

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by AudioLibertarian View Post
    @Audiofan57

    Well... Truth be told, I ve listened to that combo of yours of 611 and 802D3 extensively, and I kinda of enjoyed the combo ALOT! Now, its still not the combo I would buy personally, but we all have our own sonic preferences. I was actually considering buying just the 802D3 at that point, but was using medium power EL 34 power amp that would not have driven those 802D3 even remotely to their full potential, and Jadis 500 amps were just too much money , so I passed. My friend however bought those 802s based on mine recommendation and is happy using them with Symphonic Line monoblocks.... The entire 800 D3 series are STILL fantastic speakers, and are competitive with most TOFL of any brand, IMHO.
    I appreciate the comments. I get so tired of reading so many negative Comments on McIntosh. I am sure McIntosh may not be a good match for every speaker, but they pair well with B&W. I also know there are amps better than McIntosh out there, but it is impossible to listen to them all. I think for the price, reliability , and overall quality, the amps are worth the money. I donít see my 611ís going anywhere.
    B&W 802D3
    B&W 805D2
    B&W HTM1D3
    McIntosh MC 611ís
    Classe 5300
    Classe Sigma SSP
    Lumin T2
    Audioquest Fire and Earth interconnects
    Shunyata Alpha2 power cord
    Shunyata Sigma2 Ethernet

  21. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    322

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Bowers & Wilkins 801 D4 Loudspeaker - The Absolute Sound


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    B&W 801 or Avantgarde Duo XD? Similar price, similar dimensions, weight and drive unit array - but totally different amp preferences. With both powered by the "right" amp, which would people choose if they could listen to them back-to-back?
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
    Amplification - NAD M33, NAD M12, Consonance Cyber 845 monoblocs (now sold)
    Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified, Martin Logan Expression 13A (now sold)

  22. #22
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    B&W 801 or Avantgarde Duo XD? Similar price, similar dimensions, weight and drive unit array - but totally different amp preferences. With both powered by the "right" amp, which would people choose if they could listen to them back-to-back?
    Great question. You really have me thinking! But hereís the rubÖ

    The Duo XD is soon to be replaced with the Duo G3. The Uno is going away and there will be a Duo mini/lite/whatever to replace it.

    The new Duo G3 will be double (about) the price of the 801D4.

    That being said, unless youíre willing to do EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING to get the AGís just right (cables, source, power, etc), the 801D4 with two or four DB1Dís is my pick with money to spare. The subs are NOT because the 801D4ís need bass, oh, no, no, no, noÖ.they go below 20hz on their own! Itís because I love those subs and what they do in my room evening out the bass to perfection.

    All that being said, if youíre willing to do whatís required to perfect the AG DUO G3ís, than it can be a transcend experience. One entirely on a different level.

    Either way, you canít go wrong.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  23. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Minnesota
    Posts
    1,344

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Wimpy amps need not apply:

    Discovering How Amplifiers Dramatically Affect Loudspeaker Output - The Absolute Sound


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Exactly! It drives me nuts when I see people telling people that want to get Magnepans that a 50 wpc amp will sound great with them. It may sound good but Maggie tweeters dip down to 1.9 to 2 ohms. They need a robust amp that can handle that type of impedance and they need a lot of capacitance, current and power to get the best out of them.
    My Gear- Mains System-Pass X250 amp, BAT VK-51se preamp, Luxman DA-06 DAC, Magnepan 1.6's, Thorens TD-145 TT, Dual Martin Logan Subs, Vintage Luxman T-110 Tuner, Other systems- Parasound A21 amp,Van Alstine Ultra Plus Hybrid tube DAC and Preamp, Magnepan MMG's, Monitor Audio S1's, PSB B6's, Def Tech Pro Monitor 1000's, Velodyne sub, Adcom GFR-700 AVR, Music Hall 25.2 modified CDP, Cables by Cardas Parsec, AQ Columbia DBS 72v, Wire World.

  24. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2020
    Location
    UK
    Posts
    322

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Great question. You really have me thinking! But hereís the rubÖ

    The Duo XD is soon to be replaced with the Duo G3. The Uno is going away and there will be a Duo mini/lite/whatever to replace it.

    The new Duo G3 will be double (about) the price of the 801D4.

    That being said, unless youíre willing to do EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING to get the AGís just right (cables, source, power, etc), the 801D4 with two or four DB1Dís is my pick with money to spare. The subs are NOT because the 801D4ís need bass, oh, no, no, no, noÖ.they go below 20hz on their own! Itís because I love those subs and what they do in my room evening out the bass to perfection.

    All that being said, if youíre willing to do whatís required to perfect the AG DUO G3ís, than it can be a transcend experience. One entirely on a different level.

    Either way, you canít go wrong.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Thanks Mike

    My question was prompted by a posting on another forum where the owner of a very large room (but no dimensions provided but rectangular and probably 1000+ sq ft) that he describes as "difficult acoustically" is thinking of the 801 D4.

    As the user of the Duo XD in a much more difficult room (semi-circular, floor-to-ceiling glazing, 945 sq ft, low ceilings), I suggested he consider the Avantgarde on the basis that it works very well in my room where other speakers have seriously struggled. In particular I claim that horns are less affected by the room's acoustics and can be placed close to or far away from side or rear walls .

    I agree with you that careful positioning is needed but Duo XDs are less fussy of the room than most speaker types, particularly as they have the advantage of XD room correction. I think the AGs will give him a much bigger "goosebump factor" than the B&Ws. I'd be interested in your take on this.

    Many thanks

    Peter

    PS The Duo G3 would be beyond his budget I believe - and mine too for that matter, so I'm not planning on upgrading to G3!
    Sources - NAD M50.2 (streamer, CD player, CD ripper, hard drive music store)
    Amplification - NAD M33, NAD M12, Consonance Cyber 845 monoblocs (now sold)
    Speakers - Avantgarde Duo XD, Avantgarde Duo (2006) - both aesthetically modified, Martin Logan Expression 13A (now sold)

  25. #25
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Hear Here View Post
    Thanks Mike

    My question was prompted by a posting on another forum where the owner of a very large room (but no dimensions provided but rectangular and probably 1000+ sq ft) that he describes as "difficult acoustically" is thinking of the 801 D4.

    As the user of the Duo XD in a much more difficult room (semi-circular, floor-to-ceiling glazing, 945 sq ft, low ceilings), I suggested he consider the Avantgarde on the basis that it works very well in my room where other speakers have seriously struggled. In particular I claim that horns are less affected by the room's acoustics and can be placed close to or far away from side or rear walls .

    I agree with you that careful positioning is needed but Duo XDs are less fussy of the room than most speaker types, particularly as they have the advantage of XD room correction. I think the AGs will give him a much bigger "goosebump factor" than the B&Ws. I'd be interested in your take on this.

    Many thanks

    Peter

    PS The Duo G3 would be beyond his budget I believe - and mine too for that matter, so I'm not planning on upgrading to G3!
    Thatís a difficult one. With careful matching, both are capable of goosebumps, but nothing will beat the Microdetail retrieval and dynamics like a world class horn speaker.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  26. #26
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiofan57 View Post
    Interesting comments. I pair my McIntosh 611ís with B&W 802D3ís and really enjoy the results. Not sounding like fake caramel to me.
    I have heard that pairing sounded fantastic

  27. #27
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    I just traded my old 801Nís for a pair of Magico A5ís. Iím hart Brocken the A5ís are working my MC611ís to death and are almost unlistenable to me. My opinion they are that bad.
    I hope I can find a
    Pair of 801d4ís somewhere to purchase now.
    I here there is a wait list.
    Hopefully not.

  28. #28
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    I just traded my old 801Nís for a pair of Magico A5ís. Iím hart Brocken the A5ís are working my MC611ís to death and are almost unlistenable to me. My opinion they are that bad.
    I hope I can find a
    Pair of 801d4ís somewhere to purchase now.
    I here there is a wait list.
    Hopefully not.
    Are you going to start this thread on every forum? Did you not listen to them before you bought them? Have you put a few hundred hours on them? Have you moved them around, played with the listening position, toe, checked they they are balanced? Laser measured the distances?

    There is a 6-12 month wait for Magico A5ís. Presuming the dealer you bought them from is unable to help you out, if youíre not happy with them, Iím sure you can find a dealer to take them on trade or sell them privately.

    Rather than crap on the Magico A5ís on every forum, if youíve really tried everything, why donít you just sell them or trade them and move on? Respectfully, lifeís too short.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  29. #29
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    [QUOTE=Mike;348387]Are you going to start this thread on every forum? Did you not listen to them before you bought them? Have you put a few hundred hours on them? Have you moved them around, played with the listening position, toe, checked they they are balanced? Laser measured the distances?

    There is a 6-12 month wait for Magico A5’s. Presuming the dealer you bought them from is unable to help you out, if you’re not happy with them, I’m sure you can find a dealer to take them on trade or sell them privately.

    Rather than crap on the Magico A5’s on every forum, if you’ve really tried everything, why don’t you just sell them or trade them and move on? Respectfully, life’s too short.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    One Magico thread and one B&W thread.
    I love the over simplification.
    No,No,No,Yes,Yes,Yes, BS, waiting list for new but Over simplification, exaggeration, working on it. Do we live in the same world over simplification again.
    Life is short yet you take the time bashing me. count my posts on multiple forums.
    I bit hypocritical.
    Ask questions.
    Superiority complex.
    No free speech here unless ?

    The master of problem identification with no real solution.

    All that without asking one question, what happens when we assume?

    Brilliant!!

    Cliff notes because I don’t have time for your BS.

  30. #30
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Are you going to start this thread on every forum? Did you not listen to them before you bought them? Have you put a few hundred hours on them? Have you moved them around, played with the listening position, toe, checked they they are balanced? Laser measured the distances?

    There is a 6-12 month wait for Magico A5ís. Presuming the dealer you bought them from is unable to help you out, if youíre not happy with them, Iím sure you can find a dealer to take them on trade or sell them privately.

    Rather than crap on the Magico A5ís on every forum, if youíve really tried everything, why donít you just sell them or trade them and move on? Respectfully, lifeís too short.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Found two dealers with 801dís available one in July. Wonít take the A5ís on trade at any price. Another dealer will take them in but I canít get the new speaker until November.
    All do respect life is short and I hate spending time on this with no answers.

    Looks like you might be a Magico dealer are you interested?

  31. #31
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    Found two dealers with 801dís available one in July. Wonít take the A5ís on trade at any price. Another dealer will take them in but I canít get the new speaker until November.
    All do respect life is short and I hate spending time on this with no answers.

    Looks like you might be a Magico dealer are you interested?
    Why would a dealer not take A5ís ďat any priceĒ?

    What are your plans? Are you going with 801D4ís? If so, I strongly suggest you find a local dealer, work with that local dealer and audition them, just to be sure.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  32. #32

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    You joined AS which is owned by a Magico dealer in order to continue your Magico A5 rant you started on other forums which was a brilliant move.

    You must have been drunk when you typed that gibberish. Contrary to what you said, Mike asked you a bunch of questions that you ignored. You obviously have an agenda against Magico.
    Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.

    Reviewer for Positive Feedback

  33. #33
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Iím curious how someone buying a $26,800 speaker can sell it a week later for $18,000.

    Magico A5’s | What's Best Audio and Video Forum. The Best High End Audio Forum on the planet!


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  34. #34
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    You joined AS which is owned by a Magico dealer in order to continue your Magico A5 rant you started on other forums which was a brilliant move.

    You must have been drunk when you typed that gibberish. Contrary to what you said, Mike asked you a bunch of questions that you ignored. You obviously have an agenda against Magico.
    I had no idea that AS was owned by a Magico dealer.
    So it was accidental brilliance.
    I did answer the questions in the part you called gibberish.
    I don’t respond well to people that think it is ok to attack people but not things.
    Because you don’t like an opinion does not give you the right to talk down to people or treat them with disrespect.
    Ever heard of a New Car Dealer taking brand new cars back for up to 30 days with no strings attached.
    I have because it is as me.
    I did it for one reason and one reason only and it wasn’t Marketing. I did it to keep my people honest.
    Don’t lie or mislead people. Period.

    I did do most of the things he suggested.
    If it was a matter of the slight difference those things make I wouldn’t be have the conversation.
    The dealer I purchased them from is now telling me completely different things I mean a complete 180 degree difference from what he told me
    When he was trying to sell them to me.

    I have no agenda against Magico. Other than the Dealer body is an extension of the manufacture period. I can’t police their retailers actions but they the Manufacturer can. Don’t like what I have to say. Fix it.
    My situation was complicated. I was put in a situation to trust someone and that was a mistake.
    Everything I have said was addressed prior to the purchase.

    I have been on the other side of this hundreds of times and I know exactly how I handled it. Like it was as my Mother on the other end. Sometimes people forget what it’s like to be on the other end.
    That’s the hypocrisy.
    There is more to this than you can see from a limited perspective and level of information.

    MOST Importantly..
    In a one on one conversation anyone would feel different and certainly understand. I mean if explained everything you would understand believe me.

    As Mike put it Move on. The speakers are for sale
    My new speakers are coming and soon it will just be a faded memory.

    I appreciate your comments.
    I won’t post anything more about it here.
    Know one cares anyways as long as the sales role
    In life is good that all that matters!
    All the best!

  35. #35
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Location
    "Clueless" in California
    Posts
    1,239

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    I had no idea that AS was owned by a Magico dealer.
    So it was accidental brilliance.
    I did answer the questions in the part you called gibberish.
    I don’t respond well to people that think it is ok to attack people but not things.
    ...
    you've been cross-posting on three forums that I know of and probably others I don't visit. We all get it, you don't like your A5's and want to go back to B&Ws. The question not answered is where did you buy the A5s from and did you not hear them first?

  36. #36
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    you've been cross-posting on three forums that I know of and probably others I don't visit. We all get it, you don't like your A5's and want to go back to B&Ws. The question not answered is where did you buy the A5s from and did you not hear them first?
    I did answer all the questions I. The order asked.
    The answer is and was.No.
    The more important question well at least most the time is why?
    Because I could not make the trip thatís why.
    Like I said there is more to it.

  37. #37
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    I did answer all the questions I. The order asked.
    The answer is and was.No.
    The more important question well at least most the time is why?
    Because I could not make the trip thatís why.
    Like I said there is more to it.
    Actually I paid $25,500 more assumptions.
    Too Funny!

  38. #38
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    Actually I paid $25,500 more assumptions.
    Too Funny!
    I have explained that many times. The dealer I purchased my A5’s from I was originally calling on a set of B&W speakers he had the exact speaker I wanted. The dealer I purchased a pair of 611’s and a C53 from back in November was a B&W dealer but is no longer so can’t buy from them.
    Side note: I brought the 611’s home and one didn’t work out of the box. No big deal fantastic service and experience from both the dealer Paragigm in Ann Arbor Mi and from McIntosh, class all the way, Fantastic People. By the way new amp didn’t work you won’t find one post of mine complaining. Call the dealer and ask all I said was no problem I understand these things happen and ask them how I was to deal with in general. They gave me a price I said yes I was nothing but a gentleman end of story. I’m older and I guess just a little old school.

    Anyway the dealer I was calling on the B&W speakers He talked me out of them and into the A5’s. I voiced many concerns, what I like about my current speaker and what I don’t like in a speaker in general. He assured me these would outperform in all those areas. Most important lots of Bass. Love my speaker and only want to change to get a slightly smaller foot print. Not much just a little narrower.

    I know you guys think I shop all over and I’m a cheap guy or something. That’s why I said what I did In the gibberish as you called it note. Do you all live on a different planet than me right now.
    Do you have any idea how hard it is to buy something, I’m remodeling a lake home. Built a large pole barn, bought Boats, Jet ski’s and a host of other items. Most you are lucky if you can get at any price. You have to search the world over to get something.
    Last year I bought the last pontoon in the state of Michigan I think.
    I just Bought a LS tractor a few weeks ago. Lucky to get one. Go try¬Ö

    I digress anyway I couldn’t go to listen because I had people and appointments that conflicted and no time so I made a mistake.
    Now I have to pay that simple. My point was I said I wanted something that performed like my 801’s I and they do not. Know he says they don’t and never will. Not what he said when he was telling me I was wrong as a voice concern about the speaker. This was in several conversations as we prepared invoices and delivery and so on. I kept saying man I hope your right about these speakers. He kept assuring me.

    You go in to buy a Super Duty truck and the guy convinced you the new lightning electric will tow your 10,000 pound trailer if you agree and buy it at the end of the day that’s on you.
    Still doesn’t make it right.
    I didn’t and wouldn’t do that and I’m pissed and so would you be. Anyone that says different is a lier.

    It’s going to cost me big and I’m sick about it. It’s less about the money and more about all the hassle in buying these, now selling them and buying something else. It’s more about my time than anything. And my wife was bummed that bothered me the most.

  39. #39
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Iím dealing with two as close as I can get local dealers. 5 hours away. One said he really doesnít take trades. Ok what can I say. The other will take them he offer $15,500 so I put them up for sale at the price you seen. If they donít sell in a few days. Iím shipping them to him.

  40. #40

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by puroagave View Post
    you've been cross-posting on three forums that I know of and probably others I don't visit. We all get it, you don't like your A5's and want to go back to B&Ws. The question not answered is where did you buy the A5s from and did you not hear them first?
    He initially told Rhapsody Bob on WBF that he bought the A5s from a restaurant in Chicago. When Bob pointed out it was a restaurant and told him the name of the only authorized Magico dealer in Chicago was Precision Audio/Video, suddenly that is where he bought them.

    Question: Have you ever made a major audio purchase and a week or two later you don't remember who the dealer was that sold you the gear?
    Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, PS Audio DSJ DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.

    Reviewer for Positive Feedback

  41. #41
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by mep View Post
    He initially told Rhapsody Bob on WBF that he bought the A5s from a restaurant in Chicago. When Bob pointed out it was a restaurant and told him the name of the only authorized Magico dealer in Chicago was Precision Audio/Video, suddenly that is where he bought them.

    Question: Have you ever made a major audio purchase and a week or two later you don't remember who the dealer was that sold you the gear?
    Only if you are really busy and you have made over a million dollars in purchases in the last year.
    Wow!
    I made the mistake because It wasnít relevant to me at the time and I had a mental block with the name Precision because I had dealt with a guy named Chuck at Precision transmission building hot rods for years.
    Why does that matter.
    This is getting infantile.

  42. #42
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    Iím dealing with two as close as I can get local dealers. 5 hours away. One said he really doesnít take trades. Ok what can I say. The other will take them he offer $15,500 so I put them up for sale at the price you seen. If they donít sell in a few days. Iím shipping them to him.
    Iím glad youíre doing what you feel is best. It would have been good to give the A5ís more time, but itís up to you.

    Itís bizarre to me that a B&W dealer would try to talk you out of the 801D4ís. They are an amazing speaker. The A5ís are great too. Canít go wrong with either. I personally think the 801D4ís and four B&W DB1Dís would be awesome.

    I would suggest in the future, it might be better to not bash the product youíre trying to sell. Good luck.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  43. #43
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Iím glad youíre doing what you feel is best. It would have been good to give the A5ís more time, but itís up to you.

    Itís bizarre to me that a B&W dealer would try to talk you out of the 801D4ís. They are an amazing speaker. The A5ís are great too. Canít go wrong with either. I personally think the 801D4ís and four B&W DB1Dís would be awesome.

    I would suggest in the future, it might be better to not bash the product youíre trying to sell. Good luck.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Well the Dealer is picking them up the A5ís as a deposit on my order. They say will be here in July. Good news if there is any B&W raised the price today $3000 so I got in just under the wire.

    As for bashing the product I sell, weíll I could tell you some storyís about that but you would never believe me. I told the truth selling cars as a young man. Lost some deals sure, but built a Clientele that got me to 40 cars a month and eventually the factory asking me to become a dealer.
    I started out doing Auto body and became a dealer . My Dad didnít give me one.
    I had a 30 day return policy on all new and used 16 years ago till the day I sold in 2019. All to keep my people honest. Lie and they will bring it back.

    As a side note sold the dealership in September of 2019 pre Covid they guy we sold to did less than half the business we were doing sold the dealership 1 year latter for half what he paid us.

    What ever happened to the truth will set you free. Ya if someone ask me before buying it I would tell them exactly what I think.

  44. #44
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    Well the Dealer is picking them up the A5ís as a deposit on my order. They say will be here in July. Good news if there is any B&W raised the price today $3000 so I got in just under the wire.

    As for bashing the product I sell, weíll I could tell you some storyís about that but you would never believe me. I told the truth selling cars as a young man. Lost some deals sure, but built a Clientele that got me to 40 cars a month and eventually the factory asking me to become a dealer.
    I started out doing Auto body and became a dealer . My Dad didnít give me one.
    I had a 30 day return policy on all new and used 16 years ago till the day I sold in 2019. All to keep my people honest. Lie and they will bring it back.

    As a side note sold the dealership in September of 2019 pre Covid they guy we sold to did less than half the business we were doing sold the dealership 1 year latter for half what he paid us.

    What ever happened to the truth will set you free. Ya if someone ask me before buying it I would tell them exactly what I think.
    Who told you that B&W raised the price on the 801D4ís $3000 today?

    Man, you really need to find a good dealer.

    Increases on B&W products coming June 5th.

    SMH.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  45. #45
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Who told you that B&W raised the price on the 801D4ís $3000 today?

    Man, you really need to find a good dealer.

    Increases on B&W products coming June 5th.

    SMH.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    Actually got that from two dealers one verbal over the phone and one in a email. I think they are under the impression that what ever comes in after June 5th is effected

    This is part of the email quote:
    We were notified of an impending price increase on all B&W items today. The language in their memo was vague as to when these price increases take effect. We have reached out to them and expect a definitive answer very shortly - current cost on the B&W 801 D4 speakers is $35,000/pair. The anticipated price increase would land us at $38,000/pair.
    We would gladly deliver these to your home when they arrive.

  46. #46
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by kparmer65 View Post
    Actually got that from two dealers one verbal over the phone and one in a email. I think they are under the impression that what ever comes in after June 5th is effected

    This is part of the email quote:
    We were notified of an impending price increase on all B&W items today. The language in their memo was vague as to when these price increases take effect. We have reached out to them and expect a definitive answer very shortly - current cost on the B&W 801 D4 speakers is $35,000/pair. The anticipated price increase would land us at $38,000/pair.
    We would gladly deliver these to your home when they arrive.
    Well, Iím a B&W dealer. Itís June 5. I have the email from B&W.

    FWIW, Iím ordering a pair of 801D4ís for the floor before the increase.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  47. #47
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Silicon Valley
    Posts
    2,833

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, Iím a B&W dealer. Itís June 5. I have the email from B&W.

    FWIW, Iím ordering a pair of 801D4ís for the floor before the increase.
    Mike, out of curiosity, just how big of a difference in sound is there between the B&W and Magico speakers? I have been assuming that at the high end there might be some sonic differences between speakers, but overall they are in the same sonic area.
    Bud

    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.

  48. #48
    Audioshark
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Sarasota, FL
    Posts
    28,895

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    Mike, out of curiosity, just how big of a difference in sound is there between the B&W and Magico speakers? I have been assuming that at the high end there might be some sonic differences between speakers, but overall they are in the same sonic area.
    The 800D4 series is dead nuts neutral and more bottom up then top down Vs the old series. Itís exceedingly musical.

    Magico speakers vary so much from
    A to S to M that itís hard to pinpoint. The S is probably the closest sonically to the 800D4 series.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    My Systems: http://www.audioshark.org/showthread...481#post158481

    "We can hear everything we measure, but we can't measure everything we hear. Let your ears be your guide."

    Dealer for: Aqua Hi-Fi, Aurender, AudioQuest Cables & Power Products, Avantgarde Acoustics, Avid HiFi, Berkeley Audio Design, Block Audio, Boulder Amplifiers, Bowers & Wilkins (B&W), Bryston, Chord, Classeí Audio, Degritter Record Cleaning Machines, Enleum (Bakoon), Esoteric, Finite Elemente, FirstWatt, Focal Loudspeakers and Headphones, Franco Serblin Loudspeakers, Furutech, Fyne Audio Loudspeakers, GigaFoil, Harbeth Loudspeakers, Hegel, HiFi Man, Innuos, ISO Acoustics, Keces Power Supplies, Kharma Loudspeakers and Electronics, Koetsu Cartridges, Kuzma Turntables, Lumin, Luxman, Magico Loudspeakers, MBL Speakers & Electronics, MSB Technologies, MySonicLabs Phono Cartridges, Naim Audio, Nordost Cables, Ortofon, Pass Labs, Quadraspire, Rega Turntables and Electronics, Shunyata Research, SimAudio, Stein Music Products, Stillpoints, VAC, Vicoustics, Viva Audio, Vivid Audio Loudspeakers, VPI Industries, WireWorld Cables.

    https://suncoastaudio.com/
    Phone: 941-932-0282
    Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Suncoast-Au...1105178279194/

  49. #49
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2013
    Location
    Silicon Valley
    Posts
    2,833

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Thanks.
    Bud

    Lumin X1 file player, Westminster Labs interconnect cable
    Sony XA-5400ES SACD
    Pass XP-22 pre, X600.5 amps
    Magico S5 MKII Mcast Rose speakers, SPOD spikes

    Shunyata Triton v3/Typhon QR for source, Denali 2000 (2) for amps
    Shunyata Sigma XLR analog ICs, Sigma speaker cables
    Shunyata Sigma HC (2), Sigma Analog, Sigma Digital, Z Anaconda (3) power cables

    Mapleshade Samson four shelf maple rack, Micropoint brass footers
    Three 20 amp circuits.

  50. #50
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2022
    Location
    Michigan
    Posts
    13

    Re: B&W 801D4 review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well, Iím a B&W dealer. Itís June 5. I have the email from B&W.

    FWIW, Iím ordering a pair of 801D4ís for the floor before the increase.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
    I donít why they both told me that. Hopefully they just misinterpreted the message.
    Hopefully all goes well through the rest of this transaction.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
AudioShark - The Best High End Audio Discussion forum.

AudioShark forum is a leading forum site for High End Audio Discussion, Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater System Discussion, Best Home Stereo System Discussion, Home Theater Installation Discussion etc.

The AudioShark forum was created for sharing the passion of high-end Audio. We have Audiophiles from all over the world participating and sharing their knowledge. From novice to experts, you will find a friendly environment for discussing about High End Audio, Stereo System, Home Theater System, Home Stereo System, Home Theater Installation, Amplifiers, Speakers, Subwoofers, Integrated System, Acoustic treatments & Digital Room Corrections and many more.

At AudioShark, we also have incorporated an exciting Marketplace where members can peruse terrific buys on used gear, as well as meet dealers and discuss the purchase of new gear.

We are as crazy about this hobby as you are! So come on in and join us! Audioshark.org the Friendliest Audio Forum!

Industry Participation Disclosure : The owner and administrator of Audioshark is the owner of Suncoast Audio LLC in Sarasota Florida. Suncoast Audio has a full brick and mortar presence in Sarasota with several great show rooms with many world class brands. More information can be found at http://www.suncoastaudio.com

Audioshark is a community of like minded individuals. Audioshark welcomes participation from all manufacturers and owners of all brands and products. It is our belief that online forums provide a community of like minded audiophiles and music lovers to encourage the growth of this wonderful hobby.

Sincerely,
The Audioshark.org Team

B&W 801D4 review

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •