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    EV Cars

    I thought of starting a thread about EV cars; for fun, for living simplicity, for some designs we like, for all of us.

    I like this one ...
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    There are different reasons why someone may be drawn to an EV car. It may be the effortless and impressive acceleration performance of an electric drivetrain, it may be the more simple and perhaps more reliable drivetrain with less moving parts, it may even be the feeling of a “clean” charge from the wall or recharging station instead of gasoline or diesel stink.

    One cannot have a serious conversation however about reducing the carbon emissions without looking at the whole picture and reality of where we are with the sources of our electricity and green energy today.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson breaks it down nicely. Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains Electric Power - YouTube

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    So the advantages of a green energy future are clear. How we can get there with today’s infrastructure and sources of energy is a totally different matter. If anyone thinks this can be easily accomplished , it is far from it. It would take the equivalent of Global GDP to even come close.

    “The Global Price Tag for 100 Percent Renewable Energy: $73 Trillion. A global effort to transition to 100 percent renewable energy by 2050 would cost nations $73 trillion upfront.”

    So buy and drive those EV cars if you are thinking you are helping offset the carbon footprint but don’t be disillusioned by the hype either. It’s not that simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    There are different reasons why someone may be drawn to an EV car. It may be the effortless and impressive acceleration performance of an electric drivetrain, it may be the more simple and perhaps more reliable drivetrain with less moving parts, it may even be the feeling of a “clean” charge from the wall or recharging station instead of gasoline or diesel stink.

    One cannot have a serious conversation however about reducing the carbon emissions without looking at the whole picture and reality of where we are with the sources of our electricity and green energy today.

    Neil deGrasse Tyson breaks it down nicely. Neil deGrasse Tyson Explains Electric Power - YouTube
    Golfers welcome the extra power and AC ..

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    Quick glance at the distribution of sources of electricity confirms it. Nuclear is by far the cleanest and efficient best source we have, albeit with its own inherent and not so insignificant risks. No one wants a nuclear power station in their backyard

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    EV is here to accelerate tomorrow. It is going nowhere but up.
    Manufacturers are putting their energy and money on efficiency and longer distance, and some EV designs are very attractive to Hollywood actors and actresses audiophiles.
    India, China, Russia, USA, Mexico, Brazil, Dubai, ...can make better use of EV than cardiac attack (poison) or carbon monoxide in the lungs (Corona).

    Money? Bitcoin, energized by solar panels and wind turbines. The future is not ours (we'll be dead), it's our grandchildren and great grandchildren. Us we're just dust in the wind, a fire in the oven, hashes in a vase engraved with flowers and eagles and mountains and oceans. EV is here to stick, today, tomorrow and after many many more tomorrows, long time after all audioshark members are gone.
    Only our grand and great grandchildren will remain to benefit of an EV world...100%.

    Nuclear fusion? That too.

    But for now, while we're still alive ...

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    Good “side read” since nothing exists in a vacuum and there are typically many variables in an equation. California'''s '''white gold''' rush: Lithium in demand amid surge in electric vehicles

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    The White Gold (Lithium) sources needed for EV batteries with today’s technology.
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    Perhaps when you turn 75 and take the grandchildren for a ride with grandma in one of the several National Parks in the country side? ...And pick some wild blueberries, or delicious mushrooms. Retire in comfortable style and happy, living the family life in good health.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    EV is here to accelerate tomorrow. It is going nowhere but up.
    Manufacturers are putting their energy and money on efficiency and longer distance, and some EV designs are very attractive to Hollywood actors and actresses audiophiles.
    India, China, Russia, USA, Mexico, Brazil, Dubai, ...can make better use of EV than cardiac attack (poison) or carbon monoxide in the lungs (Corona).

    Money? Bitcoin, energized by solar panels and wind turbines. The future is not ours (we'll be dead), it's our grandchildren and great grandchildren. Us we're just dust in the wind, a fire in the oven, hashes in a vase engraved with flowers and eagles and mountains and oceans. EV is here to stick, today, tomorrow and after many many more tomorrows, long time after all audioshark members are gone.
    Only our grand and great grandchildren will remain to benefit of an EV world...100%.

    Nuclear fusion? That too.

    But for now, while we're still alive ...

    Thats not so Bob , EV is a waste of time, no wait, a complete waste of time and makes no earthly sense , its only here due to current zeitgeist and government arm twisting and of course stolen treasury cash to pay for it . Left to its own devices and normal Business cycles and trades it would be a complete , nonstarter as it was in 1908...

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Thats not so Bob , EV is a waste of time, no wait, a complete waste of time and makes no earthly sense , its only here due to current zeitgeist and government arm twisting and of course stolen treasury cash to pay for it . Left to its own devices and normal Business cycles and trades it would be a complete , nonstarter as it was in 1908...
    The electric propelled vehicles got started way earlier. In the 1830s there was an electric locomotive... The first human carrying electric vehicle, a tricycle for the streets, was powered by the recent invention of the Lead Acid battery in 1881 in France.

    Didn't take long to figure out the internal combustion engine and gasoline packed much more energy...


    Gasoline thus has about 100 times the energy density of a lithium-ion battery. This difference in energy density is partially mitigated by the very high efficiency of an electric motor in converting the energy stored in the battery to making the car move: it is typically 60-80 percent efficient.

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    OK , Bite me it wasnt 1908 ..


    “Yet, it was Henry Ford’s mass-produced Model T that dealt a blow to the electric car. Introduced in 1908, the Model T made gasoline-powered cars widely available and affordable. By 1912, the gasoline car cost only $650, while an electric roadster sold for $1,750. That same year, Charles Kettering introduced the electric starter, eliminating the need for the hand crank and giving rise to more gasoline-powered vehicle sales.”

    Or was it , same destiny if left to its own devices ...!

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    Its gonna fail miserably again , Hybrids make economic sense not full EV IMO ..

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    Me I just want peace, health, and spend money to have fun. I go EV next, and if someone is not happy on Facebook I don't know him, he's not my friend.
    It's like the music I like...Opera and Tango. If people don't like I don't care.
    We're free to like anything we want. And if we don't want we're still free of not buying...no one is forcing no one to the one we married, no one but our own decision. That's romance, that's dedication, focus, commitment, sheer will...John Wick driving his Mustang
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    About a truck for up the mountains on dirt roads ...



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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Me I just want peace, health, and spend money to have fun. I go EV next, and if someone is not happy on Facebook I don't know him, he's not my friend.
    It's like the music I like...Opera and Tango. If people don't like I don't care.
    We're free to like anything we want. And if we don't want we're still free of not buying...no one is forcing no one to the one we married, no one but our own decision. That's romance, that's dedication, focus, commitment, sheer will...John Wick driving his Mustang
    Agree buy EV but do it without the arm twisting and Tax uplift help , imagine the uproar if you got 15K tax incentive to buy ESL loudspeakers ..


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    Its gonna fail miserably again , Hybrids make economic sense not full EV IMO ..
    It is full steam ahead for EV. No stopping that train now that the public has been sold that idea of saving the planet. Ultimately the consumer will pay much more for energy/electric as the cost of this "change in infrastructure" is passed on to each one of us. The energy prices have been going up at least 2.8 percent a year lately, sometimes more without making any changes... Let's see what happens in another decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Agree buy EV but do it without the arm twisting and Tax uplift help , imagine the uproar if you got 15K tax incentive to buy ESL loudspeakers ..

    That's the thing sir A. Wayne; often people imagine a twisted arm. I don't twist arm; I just want to have fun and live free and happy like the mountains touching the high sky 💙
    I'm driving a gasoline car right now, my chainsaw uses gas ⛽, my lawnmower too.
    Some chainsaws are EC, battery powered and rechargeable, wireless like the Internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    It is full steam ahead for EV. No stopping that train now that the public has been sold that idea of saving the planet. Ultimately the consumer will pay much more for energy/electric as the cost of this "change in infrastructure" is passed on to each one of us. The energy prices have been going up at least 2.8 percent a year lately, sometimes more without making any changes... Let's see what happens in another decade.
    I agree with you Serge. Gas/oil is going to fight hard for the next fifty years, but it is futile...it won't last forever. It'll stay underground, on the grey market, the scammer's currency, the Earth polluters, the outlaws, the destroyers, the greedy infiltrers, the poisonous bunch, all that broken psychedelic jazz. It is inevitable; EV is unstoppable.
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    no Hydrogen lovers ??
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    It is full steam ahead for EV. No stopping that train now that the public has been sold that idea of saving the planet. Ultimately the consumer will pay much more for energy/electric as the cost of this "change in infrastructure" is passed on to each one of us. The energy prices have been going up at least 2.8 percent a year lately, sometimes more without making any changes... Let's see what happens in another decade.
    You mean when 50M EV cars are running around ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Its gonna fail miserably again , Hybrids make economic sense not full EV IMO ..
    I'll bet you have never driven a performance EV; when you do you will realize that this is how a car is supposed to work

    Superficially hybrids make sense until you realize that they have all the disadvantages of a IC powered car (engine and drivetrain maintenance, heavier than either IC or EV, more noise, vibration, etc) without the performance of an EV
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    Some of my best friends are . . . people from Reno, Nevada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbbert View Post
    I'll bet you have never driven a performance EV; when you do you will realize that this is how a car is supposed to work

    Superficially hybrids make sense until you realize that they have all the disadvantages of a IC powered car (engine and drivetrain maintenance, heavier than either IC or EV, more noise, vibration, etc) without the performance of an EV
    Wait ! What ..! Now EV’s are lightweights ..

    Anyway thats being Pretty clueless about me there Bob, but you may already know That and being rhetorical...!

    So , yes im very familiar about them all including Hybrids, hence my position based on data and facts not Emotions ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthStar View Post
    Some of my best friends are . . . people from Reno, Nevada.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    Wait ! What ..! Now EV’s are lightweights ..

    Anyway thats being Pretty clueless about me there Bob, but you may already know That and being rhetorical...!

    So , yes im very familiar about them all including Hybrids, hence my position based on data and facts not Emotions ..

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    Based on data and facts, hybrids are at a significant disadvantage compared to EV’s in almost every area. Based on the driving experience, hybrids and IC powered cars are at a significant disadvantage compared to EV’s. So either way...

    FWIW I do not yet own an EV (although I have loved our hybrid going on 15 years), but I can’t foresee me buying any other type of vehicle in the future.
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    F1 are Hybrid racing cars Bob , top Ferrari and Porsche’s too, what about formula E , ever watch one of those all EV races

    EV craze is manufactured, its all a big Con to reset with different controlling metrics , nothing to do with efficiency or earth saving tactics, the 90 mpg is very viable with todays tech , lean burn recovery hybrids can achieve this with close to zero emissions, this is all doable with current DI engines..

    EV cars will take decades to achieve the same level and worse for the environment getting there, now ask yourself how is the planet with 50-100 M ev cars running around gonna develope the infrastructure to get Bob across country in the winter( heating /lights /wipers going shorten battery life by 70% ) up to his favorite ski slope With millions running on the road waiting for a power charge from the local coal and gas company ..

    I see 1908 in the windshield not the rearview mirrors ...

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    Psst :

    “Teslas are particularly expensive to insure for collision damage due to their high repair and maintenance costs, which are greater than those for other luxury vehicles. This is due to several reasons, such as: The cars are repaired at a limited set of Tesla-approved body repair shops.”

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    I should have stick with high-end audio, or Opera music, or climate change, or bitcoin.

    I'm just kidding. I started the thread after seeing the MG sports car EV...a total beauty to my eyes.
    I used to drive a MG convertible (1975), burgundy. It was a lot of fun for many fun years.
    Also there are EVs now for all prices and many styles, some very cool ones.
    Plus, the mileage is getting expanded, the batteries more efficient, built in Canada (Montreal).

    This is the age of EV, our time now. Not for all of us right away but eventually, it's the evolution of our environment and our economy. That sure is what I'm seeing and I'm 100% fine in the perfecting of our transportation.
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    Lovely car , would love to stick a V10 in it ...

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    San Diego-based Aptera has just unveiled a new solar-based three-wheeler it claims doesn’t require charging—but just happens to have 1,000-mile battery-electric range for good measure.

    The futuristic trike, which has an almost Jetsons flying car-like aesthetic, features more than 32 square feet of solar panels that are integrated into the body. This setup allows the two-seater to travel up to 45 miles a day and up to 11,000 miles per year on energy harnessed from the sun, according to the company.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOctopus View Post
    San Diego-based Aptera has just unveiled a new solar-based three-wheeler it claims doesn’t require charging—but just happens to have 1,000-mile battery-electric range for good measure.

    The futuristic trike, which has an almost Jetsons flying car-like aesthetic, features more than 32 square feet of solar panels that are integrated into the body. This setup allows the two-seater to travel up to 45 miles a day and up to 11,000 miles per year on energy harnessed from the sun, according to the company.
    Aptera Has Launched - YouTube
    Featured on Jay Leno in 2009 - a VERY long launch...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob181 View Post
    Featured on Jay Leno in 2009 - a VERY long launch...
    I'm still patiently waiting for the various "personal flying cars" they have been promising us for the past 30 years...

    The electric cars still do not solve the one fundamental problem.... "traffic"... There are however many more "vertical" lanes of travel than there are "horizontal"

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    I think that by the year 2100 we'll be riding/flying more electric drones.
    They'll have computer chips to be collision-free.

    Meanwhile we can improve our infrastructures; highways, bridges, tunnels, ...all that jazz.
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    We owned a Telsa, (2018 Model S P100D) about the worst car we ever owned. Freaking super quick, and pissed off the Vette and 911 guys, but even the warranty couldn't help the conditioning repair issues. We have two older Lexus cars ( ES350 & GS350) in the family, one has 57K and the other has 65 K, not a single problem with either and going strong. But one of the hold backs for us with EV, was the limitations on mileage. We make multiple trips to the mountains and with EV stopping along the way for hours to recharge in the freaking pits, unless you can FIND a Telsa charging station. Sold it and I bought me a F150. Now the F150 Lightning coming out late this year is interesting, 563 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time in the mid-4-second range when equipped with an extended-range battery, but again mileage is a hold back. Its like buy a EV for close to home and drive your RV or gas cars and trucks for those long range trips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    We owned a Telsa, (2018 Model S P100D) about the worst car we ever owned. Freaking super quick, and pissed off the Vette and 911 guys, but even the warranty couldn't help the conditioning repair issues. We have two older Lexus cars ( ES350 & GS350) in the family, one has 57K and the other has 65 K, not a single problem with either and going strong. But one of the hold backs for us with EV, was the limitations on mileage. We make multiple trips to the mountains and with EV stopping along the way for hours to recharge in the freaking pits, unless you can FIND a Telsa charging station. Sold it and I bought me a F150. Now the F150 Lightning coming out late this year is interesting, 563 horsepower and 775 lb.-ft. of torque, and a 0-60 mph time in the mid-4-second range when equipped with an extended-range battery, but again mileage is a hold back. Its like buy a EV for close to home and drive your RV or gas cars and trucks for those long range trips.
    Very interesting. We have been looking at a Tesla or other EV. But that charging stuff has to get to “under 10 minutes” for a 75-85% charge IMO. It’s coming….but not quite there….yet.

    Every car manufacturer is focused now on EV, it will be the future. The only exception is Dodge, they are sitting around thinking “screw that, let’s put that Hellcat engine in a pickup truck!” LOL.
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    We've been considering getting an EV as well. Test drove a Tesla - very quick and good ride but found the interior finishes to be very plasticky and not well executed. We will not get an EV until 400+ miles range is the standard and the recharging infrastructure is quicker and more prevalent.

    Also, with the push for EVs, I haven't heard of much power grid infrastructure development to supply the additional demand for electricity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    We've been considering getting an EV as well. Test drove a Tesla - very quick and good ride but found the interior finishes to be very plasticky and not well executed. We will not get an EV until 400+ miles range is the standard and the recharging infrastructure is quicker and more prevalent.

    Also, with the push for EVs, I haven't heard of much power grid infrastructure development to supply the additional demand for electricity.
    I'm in agreement here as well. With commitment will come the infrastructure that's needed. One thing that will be interesting is while most homeowners will be able to add charging stations to their garages I wonder how the masses that live in apartment/condo complexes that park in 'lots' will manage ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Very interesting. We have been looking at a Tesla or other EV. But that charging stuff has to get to “under 10 minutes” for a 75-85% charge IMO. It’s coming….but not quite there….yet.

    Every car manufacturer is focused now on EV, it will be the future. The only exception is Dodge, they are sitting around thinking “screw that, let’s put that Hellcat engine in a pickup truck!” LOL.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikado463 View Post
    I'm in agreement here as well. With commitment will come the infrastructure that's needed. One thing that will be interesting is while most homeowners will be able to add charging stations to their garages I wonder how the masses that live in apartment/condo complexes that park in 'lots' will manage ?
    Great point.. I can see it now, long long extension cords running out of windows all over the place. , Condo's, Apartments home owners and the makers of these products need to really think this through. Will those back roads people drive on have charging stations and will those little sleepy towns on the outside of large communities have charging stations. To little now and those that are are far and few between. . And you are pretty much dedicated to major highways. ChargePoint
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    This may very well be my next car:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CPP View Post
    Great point.. I can see it now, long long extension cords running out of windows all over the place. , Condo's, Apartments home owners and the makers of these products need to really think this through. Will those back roads people drive on have charging stations and will those little sleepy towns on the outside of large communities have charging stations. To little now and those that are are far and few between. . And you are pretty much dedicated to major highways. ChargePoint
    Agree that the locations are limited (and that would hold me back from a purely plug in vehicle - I have a 2020 Lexus RX450h and that's why). Is the Chargepint site supposed to be all EV charging locations? If so, it is missing some down my way. One has been there quite a while and the other several months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Very interesting. We have been looking at a Tesla or other EV. But that charging stuff has to get to “under 10 minutes” for a 75-85% charge IMO. It’s coming….but not quite there….yet.

    Every car manufacturer is focused now on EV, it will be the future. The only exception is Dodge, they are sitting around thinking “screw that, let’s put that Hellcat engine in a pickup truck!” LOL.
    They are being paid a vig to focus and it’s a bad future , the reality of which most are not paying attention to until it’s too late ...




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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil A View Post
    Agree that the locations are limited (and that would hold me back from a purely plug in vehicle - I have a 2020 Lexus RX450h and that's why). Is the Chargepint site supposed to be all EV charging locations? If so, it is missing some down my way. One has been there quite a while and the other several months.
    I think Charge Point which has about 45% of the charging market only list their sites. Not Telsa Charge stations, or Electrify America stations, EVGO, or VOLTA stations.
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    I was all set to go all in on a Tesla but I'm having second thoughts right now.

    I see some issues when the batteries/vehicles are out of warranty. Sometimes they want to replace the entire battery pack for a somewhat simple coolant plumbing repair.

    Contrary to popular belief, there is some maintenance required, although a lot less than the average ICE vehicle.
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    You don't want an EV out of warranty .... !!!



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    Quote Originally Posted by a.wayne View Post
    You don't want an EV out of warranty .... !!!



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