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    The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    The good news is that I got to hear the new AudioQuest Dragon Speaker cables today.



    The bad news is that I got to hear the new AudioQuest Dragon Speaker cables today.

    I have to have a pair.
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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Inquiring minds want to know more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Inquiring minds want to know more...
    My AudioQuest rep was at the store for 5 hours. He brought all the new speaker cables with him. We heard Thunderbird, Firebird and Dragon against my current top of the line AudioQuest “Oak”. Lots of back and forth comparing to Oak. Suffice it to say, all the models were a significant improvement in transparency and bass. He explained in technical terms why the bass is so much better. The Transparency was easy to hear, just like with the power cables. When he switched to Dragon, all bets were off. We had the best transparency and best bass, but the cables were smooooooooth without any loss in any area. Despite being all silver, this is a cable that is an all out assault on sibilant and bright recordings, while delivering all the detail and transparency.

    The cables that carry the most current (power, then speaker, then IC) are, in my opinion, the ones that can show the biggest change. The change from a X cable to a AQ Dragon is night and day. The change from X speaker cable to an AQ Dragon speaker cable is about 90% of the power cord improvements we heard. Meaning, if going from X power cable to Dragon power cable was a “holy holy sh!t” moment, this was a “holy sh!t” moment. You like this technical explanation? LOL.

    He didn’t mention anything about new IC’s, but I would expect to see something in a year or two.
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    Way out of my league. Thanks for sharing Mike.
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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Can you talk about how the Thunderbird stacks up against competitively priced SCs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Can you talk about how the Thunderbird stacks up against competitively priced SCs?
    The level of transparency just kept increasing as we went from my Oak speaker cables up the line. Frankly, the Thunderbird wasn’t close to the Dragon IMO. A percentage improvement isn’t accurate, but I felt Dragon was 30-50% better.


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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Way way out of my league. Imagine a full loom of the Dragons. A ridiculous amount of money IMHO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    Way way out of my league. Imagine a full loom of the Dragons. A ridiculous amount of money IMHO.
    Paul, it’s as big as a major component change, maybe more. Seriously shockingly good. Yes, expensive, but so incredible what they did in my system.


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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Paul, it’s as big as a major component change, maybe more. Seriously shockingly good. Yes, expensive, but so incredible what they did in my system.


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    Thanks Mike. I’m sure it is if it has your seal of approval. I guess I just reacted to quickly. If it was a speaker, amp, preamp etc I’m sure I wouldn’t have batted an eye. So why not cables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Audiophilehi View Post
    Thanks Mike. I’m sure it is if it has your seal of approval. I guess I just reacted to quickly. If it was a speaker, amp, preamp etc I’m sure I wouldn’t have batted an eye. So why not cables.
    Oh for sure. And there’s a reason why Hurricane is the sweet spot. But only listen to Dragon if you can afford it because there’s no going back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Oh for sure. And there’s a reason why Hurricane is the sweet spot. But only listen to Dragon if you can afford it because there’s no going back.
    What is the MSRP? And do these replace the Wild Blue Yonder or WEL Signature?

    If so, I guess the companion interconnects are coming eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    What is the MSRP? And do these replace the Wild Blue Yonder or WEL Signature?

    If so, I guess the companion interconnects are coming eventually.
    Yes they do.

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    Wow.

    I guess its all comes down to system synergy and subjective taste with cables.

    But, I'd be curious to see how they compare to the Shunyata Sigma and MIT 2C3D Level 1.

    Audioquest uses silver to increase the resolution but, at the expense of cost. Thus, that high price.

    Whereas, others (Shunyta, Kubala-Sosna) for example use copper but, have different technologies to obtain that clarity and resolution.

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    I would also be very interested to know what the comparable MIT cables are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mdp632 View Post
    Wow.

    I guess its all comes down to system synergy and subjective taste with cables.

    But, I'd be curious to see how they compare to the Shunyata Sigma and MIT 2C3D Level 1.

    Audioquest uses silver to increase the resolution but, at the expense of cost. Thus, that high price.

    Whereas, others (Shunyta, Kubala-Sosna) for example use copper but, have different technologies to obtain that clarity and resolution.

    So with silver prices around $15 per oz these cables must weigh over 100 lbs to be worth that much. LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jadedavid View Post
    So with silver prices around $15 per oz these cables must weigh over 100 lbs to be worth that much. LOL
    There’s a lot more that goes into making a great speaker cable than just the material. And there are also different grades of silver.
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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    On one hand, I would like to hear a $27K speaker wire, but I seriously doubt they are over three times better than the TOL Shunyata speaker cables. Then again, maybe they are.
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    Anyone looking for new cables, take a listen to the new audience frontRow cables, all I can say is WOW!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueFox View Post
    On one hand, I would like to hear a $27K speaker wire, but I seriously doubt they are over three times better than the TOL Shunyata speaker cables. Then again, maybe they are.
    Bud, they are truly amazing cables. I completely get the high price. But are they as much of an improvement as a new $27,000 preamp? I would say yes.

    In this case, ignorance is bliss! I can just say for those who have compared the Tornado/Hurricane to the Dragon power cables, the speaker cable jump is just as pronounced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    I would also be very interested to know what the comparable MIT cables are.
    Anyone who wants to come to the store and compare, I would be happy to coordinate. But for obvious reasons, I will refrain from any comparison myself. I know the MIT cables were a huge step up over everything I tried ON THE MAGICO’s. As for a comparison with AQ Dragon vs MIT, I have never tried and publicly probably never will. . Once again, ignorance is bliss!
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    Fair enough!
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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    I have a firebird on order which is about to arrive! I wonder how far off from Dragon...
    Have you got to hear it as well mike? I have noticed in some cross sections of both cables n the internet that firebird has 2 silver + 2 copper conductors, where dragon has 3 silver + 1 copper conductor ( which is something that makes me wonder, why advertised as all silver?).

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    the firebird Zero been in my system for almost 2 months now. highly recommended!
    yes it expensive, but among all other high end cables my friends use, I haven't yet heard anything that comes even close.
    extended highs without any harshness, great mid range, bass with crazy resolution, energy and definition. it simply gets out of the way. extremely transparent, dynamic and satisfactory sound. basically, it allows you to hear your equipment as it should be heard without any coloration or favoring a frequency over the other - and that is priceless.

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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Mike, if AQ Hurricanes are the PC sweet spot, is there a comparable AQ speaker cable sweet spot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    Mike, if AQ Hurricanes are the PC sweet spot, is there a comparable AQ speaker cable sweet spot?
    Firebird Zero. But it really depends on the speakers/amp. The Dragon beats everything, but so it should.
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    I believe I probably would need a bit more expensive speaker to take advantage of these cables.... I mean Jesus, over $27k for speaker wires.... man sometimes coming to the forum makes me feel soooo poor .... and I thought I was doing pretty good ....
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    Re: The good news is.....and the bad news is.....

    Anyone try the Thunderbird’s yet?

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    Anyone try the Thunderbird’s yet?

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    Me. We’ve tried them all in the Mythical Creature series. We use these on our MBL 101e mk2’s. They were quite a step up over Oak and Aspen.

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    Thanks Mike,

    How are they as a full-range cable, not using the bass cable? I’m looking to replace my AcousticZen holograms.

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    Thanks Mike,

    How are they as a full-range cable, not using the bass cable? I’m looking to replace my AcousticZen holograms.

    Thanks again.
    Very good. We’ve tried them on a few pairs of speakers as “zeros” when we were comparing to the Oak and Aspen. I was quite surprised at two main areas:

    Increase in overall transparency and detail without any harshness and bass.


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    I currently use Rocket 88 speaker cables. If I were to upgrade these to the next level what would you recommend? The William Tell Zero? My other option would be the Ansuz P2.

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    I currently use Rocket 88 speaker cables. If I were to upgrade these to the next level what would you recommend? The William Tell Zero?
    Yes. But that Rocket 88 is damn good for the money. May want to wait until you can swing the Thunderbird Zero.


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    Yes. But that Rocket 88 is damn good for the money. May want to wait until you can swing the Thunderbird Zero.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mordante View Post
    Tnx, but the Thunderbird Zero costs more then what I paid for my amps and almost more then what I paid for my speakers.
    You may find a nice pair of used Oak?


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    Yes. But that Rocket 88 is damn good for the money. May want to wait until you can swing the Thunderbird Zero.


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    Not to veer off, but my curiosity is peaked about your rocket 88 comment. Never tried AQ and currently have purist audio musaeus
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    Not sure what would be a worthwhile try and was thinking about 88 or aspen (used). Where are the 88 in the scheme of things? PM me if you’d like


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    Quote Originally Posted by Swisstrips View Post
    Not to veer off, but my curiosity is peaked about your rocket 88 comment. Never tried AQ and currently have purist audio musaeus
    https://www.puristaudiodesign.com/Da...r/spk_mus.html

    Not sure what would be a worthwhile try and was thinking about 88 or aspen (used). Where are the 88 in the scheme of things? PM me if you’d like


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    Aspen is definitely a step up, but the 88’s are excellent for the money.


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    Hello. I have a few question. I’m currently in the market for speaker cables and was thinking about getting the William tells plus bass. I have been doing some research and come there are so many videos and articles calming high end speaker cables are a scam? Is it worth the money or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by School View Post
    Hello. I have a few question. I’m currently in the market for speaker cables and was thinking about getting the William tells plus bass. I have been doing some research and come there are so many videos and articles calming high end speaker cables are a scam? Is it worth the money or not?
    You need to listen for yourself to determine the value, but the William Tell were a clear improvement in my system. I definitely recommend trying the new Audioquest speaker cable line. YMMV
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    Quote Originally Posted by School View Post
    Hello. I have a few question. I’m currently in the market for speaker cables and was thinking about getting the William tells plus bass. I have been doing some research and come there are so many videos and articles calming high end speaker cables are a scam? Is it worth the money or not?
    There is only one way for you to really know: try for yourself! It also depends on your speakers, and the rest of your equipment. A $3,000 speaker cable cannot make a $500 speaker sound like a $20,000 speaker.

    And don't worry about those videos and articles in the Internet you mentioned. More often than not, they are authored by people who never tried said "high end speaker cables".

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPW View Post
    You need to listen for yourself to determine the value, but the William Tell were a clear improvement in my system. I definitely recommend trying the new Audioquest speaker cable line. YMMV
    awesome what does your system consist of and what did tells replace

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    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    There is only one way for you to really know: try for yourself! It also depends on your speakers, and the rest of your equipment. A $3,000 speaker cable cannot make a $500 speaker sound like a $20,000 speaker.

    And don't worry about those videos and articles in the Internet you mentioned. More often than not, they are authored by people who never tried said "high end speaker cables".
    My system is a work in progress as I don’t have all my components. I purchased a New pair of ML Esl 9s at a great price. Im plan on getting a roger Sanders Magtech and his preamp to round out the system. I’m just trying to finalize my speaker cables

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    awesome what does your system consist of and what did tells replace
    I demoed the ZERO’s against my Nordost Fry 2’s on KEF Reference 3 speakers. I have since sold the Reference 3’s and the Fry 2’s and am replacing them with KEF Blade 2 and WT ZERO BiWire. I thought I would go all in and get the BiWire after all of the positive things I have heard about adding the BASS cable into the mix. Made sense with speakers like the Blades.

    When I purchased the Fry 2 wire a few years ago, it beat out the AQ offerings. The new stuff from AQ is a big improvement on their previous product in my estimation. More natural. Better sense of space. Really looking forward to getting everything installed!
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    I just got the AQ William Tell Bi-Wire combo (ZERO plus BASS), and it’s outstanding right off the box! I am very pleased. I had always been skeptical on AQ, but I am glad I tried.

    Oh... I also have a Hurricane source I recently got for my Innuos ZENith MK3, and love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thyname View Post
    I just got the AQ William Tell Bi-Wire combo (ZERO plus BASS), and it’s outstanding right off the box! I am very pleased. I had always been skeptical on AQ, but I am glad I tried.

    Oh... I also have a Hurricane source I recently got for my Innuos ZENith MK3, and love it!

    What speakers are you using with the tells and what cables did you use prior to?

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    What speakers are you using with the tells and what cables did you use prior to?
    Speakers are B&W 803 D3.

    I have tried about a dozen speaker cables. Most recent were Synergistic Research Atmosphere X Euphoria

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    Speakers are B&W 803 D3.

    I have tried about a dozen speaker cables. Most recent were Synergistic Research Atmosphere X Euphoria
    And the tells win?

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    And the tells win?
    Too early to tell. Just got them. It will take a while to really evaluate. First impressions are definitely positive.

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    Well, no one else is going to ask, so I will...how much?
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    Well, no one else is going to ask, so I will...how much?
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