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    AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

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    There was also a favorable if a bit odd comment from Mikey Fremer in the latest Stereophile, pledging loyalty to AQ now.


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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    The fuse in my Diablo 300 just blew. I thought the Niagara 5000 should have stopped that from happening?
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by AJR View Post
    The fuse in my Diablo 300 just blew. I thought the Niagara 5000 should have stopped that from happening?
    Fuses can blow from many different causes. If there was a power surge then it's likely the Niagara 5000 would have protected your connected equipment, but if there's an issue with the Diablo 300 which caused it to draw more current than expected the fuse should blow to protect it from further damage. I'd strongly suggest checking with your dealer first but you could try replacing the fuse and everything may then be fine, but if it blows again there's likely a problem indicating that the 300 should be serviced.

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    I just completed the power upgrade chain: Dedicated 20 amp circuit > NRG 20 amp outlet > AQ Hurricane cable > Niagara 5000.

    I sincerely hope folks give this scenario a try (or at least a storm cable and a Niagara 5k or 7k). For all of the money we tend to spend in this hobby I do not know if I have ever had a more complete change to my system for such a "reasonable" price. This is new technology that changes the game in a big way. Yes, some of the other power units do slightly different things, but this is the ink black noise floor I have always dreamt about. The high capacity power delivery to power amps also makes a huge difference... especially with the dedicated 20 amp circuit. Every unit in the system gets an upgrade and system coherence is tremendous. I know in years to come some type of upgrade will also surface compared to this power system, but wow... I'm REALLY happy with this, and have trouble imagining how it could get a whole lot better. I don't gush very often, as I have heard a lot of gear at home and in full professional recording studios... I think the Niagara 5/7k, and the storm cables change the game.

    As a side note, it seems all of the AQ NRG power cables are selling through in order to get to a product launch that is coming soon... I'm interested to see what they have come up with, as I suspect a trickle down of the storm technology.

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    I'm ordering a full set of Hurricane PCs.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Glad you guys are enjoying these power cords. Iím not sure if you recall, but I have had a full set of Thunder, Hurricane and Dragon (source and power) in the store since December. Theyíre wonderful power cables - all of them.

    The jump from thunder to Hurricane is subtle, but worth it. The jump from Hurricane to Dragon is substantial - but so is the cost!

    I found putting Dragon on the source components (DAC or CD) made the greatest impact. But I heard improvements on the preamp, amp and Niagra 7000 as I went down the line.

    Back in January, I held a blind power cord shootout. Customers brought WW platinum, Nordost Odin/Odin 2, Valhalla 2, Ansuz Diamond and three or four others, including a DIY cable. Rance (from the forum was there too). Hopefully he will chime in. Anyway, they wanted to compare Thunder and Hurricane to all these other power cables they had brought because Rick and I had been raving about them. I didnít bring the Dragon.

    It was unanimous. The AQ cables won. Hurricane specifically. Letís just say, I sold an awful lot of Hurricaneís and Thunders that day.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    I’m loving my Tornados. I thought there was a small but noticeable step up to the Hurricane and that will likely be an upgrade for me sometime in the future.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Elberoth View Post
    I'm ordering a full set of Hurricane PCs.
    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Glad you guys are enjoying these power cords. I’m not sure if you recall, but I have had a full set of Thunder, Hurricane and Dragon (source and power) in the store since December. They’re wonderful power cables - all of them.

    The jump from thunder to Hurricane is subtle, but worth it. The jump from Hurricane to Dragon is substantial - but so is the cost!

    I found putting Dragon on the source components (DAC or CD) made the greatest impact. But I heard improvements on the preamp, amp and Niagra 7000 as I went down the line.

    Back in January, I held a blind power cord shootout. Customers brought WW platinum, Nordost Odin/Odin 2, Valhalla 2, Ansuz Diamond and three or four others, including a DIY cable. Rance (from the forum was there too). Hopefully he will chime in. Anyway, they wanted to compare Thunder and Hurricane to all these other power cables they had brought because Rick and I had been raving about them. I didn’t bring the Dragon.

    It was unanimous. The AQ cables won. Hurricane specifically. Let’s just say, I sold an awful lot of Hurricane’s and Thunders that day.

    Mike,

    how does Thunder/Hurricane compare to Shunyata Alpha NR. does either brand work better with tube gear, and also are the AQ cords flexible enough for tighter spots (behind a rack)

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    I got to hear them at Mike's and was blown away. I heard the top three with Garth when they were in prototype and was blown away. I was in shock at how much better the Dragon's were. Its one of the rare times in high end, that I can honestly say it's not a subtle upgrade. I've heard the Enkleins and Elrods. The Enkleins are used by many of the uber high end systems and I know why. They really are special. That said, I will be doing a shootout soon (hopefully) with the top David and a Hurricane and Dragon if I can get them. It will be with a Rockport Lyra system and we will be using a rebuilt Revox reel to reel unit. I'll keep you posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ctsooner View Post
    I got to hear them at Mike's and was blown away. I heard the top three with Garth when they were in prototype and was blown away. I was in shock at how much better the Dragon's were. Its one of the rare times in high end, that I can honestly say it's not a subtle upgrade. I've heard the Enkleins and Elrods. The Enkleins are used by many of the uber high end systems and I know why. They really are special. That said, I will be doing a shootout soon (hopefully) with the top David and a Hurricane and Dragon if I can get them. It will be with a Rockport Lyra system and we will be using a rebuilt Revox reel to reel unit. I'll keep you posted.
    Anxious to hear your comparison!
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    Anxious to hear your comparison!
    I am too, lol. My buddy takes me to his clients when I feel up to it.

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Anyone have any views on how the AQ Hurricane's compare to the Shunyata Sigma NR cables?
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Glad you guys are enjoying these power cords. I’m not sure if you recall, but I have had a full set of Thunder, Hurricane and Dragon (source and power) in the store since December. They’re wonderful power cables - all of them.

    The jump from thunder to Hurricane is subtle, but worth it. The jump from Hurricane to Dragon is substantial - but so is the cost!

    I found putting Dragon on the source components (DAC or CD) made the greatest impact. But I heard improvements on the preamp, amp and Niagra 7000 as I went down the line.

    Back in January, I held a blind power cord shootout. Customers brought WW platinum, Nordost Odin/Odin 2, Valhalla 2, Ansuz Diamond and three or four others, including a DIY cable. Rance (from the forum was there too). Hopefully he will chime in. Anyway, they wanted to compare Thunder and Hurricane to all these other power cables they had brought because Rick and I had been raving about them. I didn’t bring the Dragon.

    It was unanimous. The AQ cables won. Hurricane specifically. Let’s just say, I sold an awful lot of Hurricane’s and Thunders that day.
    Hi Mike, During the cable shoot out, what kind of power distribution did you use, in my "experience" the Ansuz power cables start to play there strenghts when used with one of the mainz 8 power distribution blocks. (earthing 10mm)

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    When reading again I see it was the Niagara 7000
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by Audiohippo View Post
    Anyone have any views on how the AQ Hurricane's compare to the Shunyata Sigma NR cables?
    I personally feel my Hurricanes are more neutral and have better tonality. I highly value that. I need body in my sound also, but I get that with the Hurricanes. I had the Shunyata Sigma's in, not the NR's. The Sigma's are an awesome cable, I just like the Hurricane better as it gives me a lower noise floor and is a bit more dynamic with better extension on both ends. The difference in sigma vs Hurricane isn't night and day, but subtle enough that I wanted the Hurricane.

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    AQ Dragon Original.pngAQ Dragon Reissue.pngAQ Hurricane Original.pngAQ Hurricane Reissue.png

    I find AQ policy outrageous! They have indeed modified both the Hurricane and the Dragon...
    These are print-screens from the 2018 and 2019 AQ pricelist. As you can see, the Hurricane become
    bluer and with inferior AWG and the Dragon went from PSS/PSC+ (more AWG) to PSS (less AWG).
    But you have to do some research in order to find out about this change...
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    AQ Dragon Original.pngAQ Dragon Reissue.pngAQ Hurricane Original.pngAQ Hurricane Reissue.png

    I find AQ policy outrageous! They have indeed modified both the Hurricane and the Dragon...
    These are print-screens from the 2018 and 2019 AQ pricelist. As you can see, the Hurricane become
    bluer and with inferior AWG and the Dragon went from PSS/PSC+ (more AWG) to PSS (less AWG).
    But you have to do some research in order to find out about this change...
    Not happy about this apparent deception. The current Hurricane HCs were represented as the same except for the color of the jackets where the old color would be used for the new Firebirds. Now it might appear that AQ wants to further promote Firebird HC comparative performance by subtracting a bit from the revised Hurricane HC's performance??

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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    hmmmmm... this could be a disappointing scenario for many of us. I have spent a lot on various hurricanes pre/post the changes. I look forward to hearing more.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    That seems to be the idea, GSOphile - to improve the Dragon and to worsen the Hurricane so that Firebird can sit right between the two... Luckily I have the older but 'thicker' Hurricanes!
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Just talked to AudioQuest. This is the problem with the internet and people starting FALSE RUMORS. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. It's the same cables. You know what happened? A TYPO. EVERY SINGLE power cable - even the copper ones.

    Unbelievable.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    AQ Dragon Original.pngAQ Dragon Reissue.pngAQ Hurricane Original.pngAQ Hurricane Reissue.png

    I find AQ policy outrageous! They have indeed modified both the Hurricane and the Dragon...
    These are print-screens from the 2018 and 2019 AQ pricelist. As you can see, the Hurricane become
    bluer and with inferior AWG and the Dragon went from PSS/PSC+ (more AWG) to PSS (less AWG).
    But you have to do some research in order to find out about this change...
    WRONG!!!!!! See my post above. Stop spreading FALSE rumors without confirming the FACTS.
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Mike, I've just posted print-screens of the AQ Official Pricelist! There's nothing wrong with that! If it's a typo, it's not mine.
    Is it also a typo in the description of the Dragon?! C'mon!

    P.S. The apologies, the excuses or the confirmation must come from AQ, not from me! It's their official pricelist, you know...
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    Mike, I've just posted print-screens of the AQ Official Pricelist! There's nothing wrong with that. If it's a typo, it's not mine.
    Is it also a typo in the description of the Dragon?! C'mon!

    P.S. The apologies, the excuses or the confirmation must come from AQ, not from me! It's their official pricelist, you know...
    Itís a typo in ALL the storm power cables. I donít know what axe you have to grind with AQ, but stuff like typos happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    UPDATE: AudioQuest should be updating the price book shortly to reflect the proper (corrected) gauge.
    What about the content of copper and silver in the Dragon HC? In the 2018 it was PSS/PSC+ and in 2019 it's PSS... How do I know which one is which?

    P.S. You should see in my signature that I'm a big fan of AQ! I've always been and I've had several of their cables. As a client though, I hate any lack of transparency. It's disrespectful for the customer...
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    Re: AudioQuest Niagra and Storm Power Cable Review

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    What about the content of copper and silver in the Dragon HC? In the 2018 it was PSS/PSC+ and in 2019 it's PSS... How do I know which one is which?

    P.S. You should see in my signature that I'm a big fan of AQ! I've always been and I've had several of their cables. As a client though, I hate any lack of transparency. It's disrespectful for the customer...
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    So you're suggesting that prices, metal composition and AWG, were typos.....

    Quite frankly, I was surprised that the Dragon wasn't advertised as PSS from the start and wondered if there was going to be a WEL or something like it above it.

    But call it what it is - a change in marketing. Not a big deal.

    Audioquest changed certain aspects of their cables, described them differently, and/or changed their prices over the years in the pricebooks, without changing the names and no one complained.
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    So you're suggesting that prices, metal composition and AWG, were typos.....

    Quite frankly, I was surprised that the Dragon wasn't advertised as PSS from the start and wondered if there was going to be a WEL or something like it above it.

    But call it what it is - a change in marketing. Not a big deal.

    Audioquest changed certain aspects of their cables, described them differently, and/or changed their prices over the years in the pricebooks, without changing the names and no one complained.
    Yup, if people want to believe some grand conspiracy theory, have at it. All I can do is ask the powers that be and report back. But Iíve been using cables from 2018 and 2019 and have not seen or heard any difference. The AQ price book is a bazillion pages. Iím not surprised there are typos.


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    It's AQ's error. In the case of the Hurricane HCs, it's understandable why Blue customers would be upset. AQ needs to correct their marketing material with apologies ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    It's AQ's error. In the case of the Hurricane HCs, it's understandable why Blue customers would be upset. AQ needs to correct their marketing material with apologies ASAP.
    I own the blue Hurricane HC. Please explain to me why I should be upset. The Hurricane HC was incorrectly listed as 12 AWG when it is actually 11 AWG, which is a thicker gauge wire. It is Solid Perfect Surface Copper +. What more could I want?

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    And I noted looking at the photos he posted that one is from the U.K. price book (note the Dragon does not even have the DBS on it in the U.K. book) and then he compare it to the US price book. Who knows why the difference? But not DBS in the old version? I bought the first Dragonís that came out. All have DBS.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    I own the blue Hurricane HC. Please explain to me why I should be upset. The Hurricane HC was incorrectly listed as 12 AWG when it is actually 11 AWG, which is a thicker gauge wire. It is Solid Perfect Surface Copper +. What more could I want?

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    I too own Blue Hurricane HCs. My statement was a about how a Blue Hurricane HC owner like me might feel after seeing the 2019 Blue specs and 'discovering' that his cables, instead of being 11 AWG as expected and bought, were 12 AWG due to a previously unpublished product change. This BEFORE Mike's timely investigation and explanation, which not everyone will see. Consequently AQ still needs to correct their specs soonest (and IMO owes an apology for a truly sloppy editing job).

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    I am affraid that change in Dragon material specification from PSS/PSC+ to full PSS is not only a typo.
    You can see a full description here when only PSS is mentioned:

    https://www.audioquest.com/ac-power/...agon-source-eu

    If Dragon would be still PSS/PSC+ what would be a difference with newly introduced Firebird PSS/PSC+?

    if it is marketing only approach the Firebird should be called PSC+/PSS becouse is mostly copper and Dragon should be called PSS/PSC+ because it is mostly silver. Otherwise it is not transparent for a customer.

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    The Dragons are PSS, the Firebird is PSS/PSC+. AQ confirmed there was a typo in the price sheet.

    There was never any copper in the Dragons. I have the first Dragons off the line, and some purchased about a month ago. ZERO difference visually, sonically, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The Dragons are PSS, the Firebird is PSS/PSC+. AQ confirmed there was a typo in the price sheet.

    There was never any copper in the Dragons. I have the first Dragons off the line, and some purchased about a month ago. ZERO difference visually, sonically, etc.
    Sorry Mike, but you are misinformed.
    In each Dragon positive and negative conductor there was always two wires PSS and one wire PSC+. In ground conductor there was all three wires from lesser grade copper.

    Make a small effort and check under your Dragon plug. Just slip off outer shell.
    If I am wrong I will eat my shoe.

    The question is if NOW AQ changed Dragon to full PSS leaving all current customer with wrong cable specification or they still do not know what they sell.

    I suppose that cables are still the same, but from marketing reasons they claim on their Web site all Dragons (including speaker cables that are still describes in priceless as hybrid) as PSS and do not want to confirm that they call hybrid Dragon a PSS cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milimetr View Post
    Sorry Mike, but you are misinformed.
    In each Dragon positive and negative conductor there was always two wires PSS and one wire PSC+. In ground conductor there was all three wires from lesser grade copper.

    Make a small effort and check under your Dragon plug. Just slip off outer shell.
    If I am wrong I will eat my shoe.

    The question is if NOW AQ changed Dragon to full PSS leaving all current customer with wrong cable specification or they still do not know what they sell.
    No, you are misinformed. That cable is not in the signal path and is still there. Itís for ground purposes only. The cable metallurgy has not changed.

    As I said, I have new cables and original dragons. No difference.


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    Somebody is fulling you (and possibly other customers).
    Two silver and one copper wire in positive / negative conductor (all in signal parts) and three copper wires lesser quality in ground conductor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milimetr View Post
    Somebody is fulling you (and possibly other customers).
    Two silver and one copper wire in positive / negative conductor (all in signal parts) and three copper wires lesser quality in ground conductor.

    Attachment 25310
    The cable hasnít changed. I asked this all the way up to Bill.

    Get a new one and compare. Same cable.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    The cable hasn’t changed. I asked this all the way up to Bill.

    Get a new one and compare. Same cable.


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    Thats great - so why they now call Dragon PSS only if this is in fact PSS/PSC+ cable? That is the question!

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    Thats great - so why they now they call Dragon PSS only if this is in fact PSS/PSC+ cable? That is the question!
    Iíll send a note to Garth this time and await his answer.


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    I’d call this situation WATTGATE but then it would get extra confusing.
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    After conversation with very nice guys from Audioquest all thing become clear. Both Dragon power cords are hybrid PSS/PSC+ designs where PSS is dominating material and have had no any revisions since introduction.
    Necessary information has been updated on AQ web site.
    From my point of view the case is closed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milimetr View Post
    After conversation with very nice guys from Audioquest all thing become clear. Both Dragon power cords are hybrid PSS/PSC+ designs where PSS is dominating material and have had no any revisions since introduction.
    Necessary information has been updated on AQ web site.
    From my point of view the case is closed.
    So, hot and neutral conductors are PSS and ground conductor is PSC+. Makes sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    So, hot and neutral conductors are PSS and ground conductor is PSC+. Makes sense to me.

    Ken
    Both positive and negative uses mix of PSS and PSC+. In Dragon PSS is dominating in Firebird PSC+ is dominating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milimetr View Post
    Both positive and negative uses mix of PSS and PSC+. In Dragon PSS is dominating in Firebird PSC+ is dominating.
    What about ground?

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    What about ground?

    Ken
    Ground is made of copper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milimetr View Post
    After conversation with very nice guys from Audioquest all thing become clear. Both Dragon power cords are hybrid PSS/PSC+ designs where PSS is dominating material and have had no any revisions since introduction.
    Necessary information has been updated on AQ web site.
    From my point of view the case is closed.
    Youíre welcome! Glad we could get this cleared up. No grand conspiracy despite what people on the internet love to believe. Now letís get back to listening to music.


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    Mike, you're covering it up! This is not ok... While 'the other day' Dragon was all PSS now we find out that is partially PSS, partially PSC+. What if your BMW dealer would tell you that the brand new car you've just bought is a V8 and you reach home and discover that it's a V6.. What the hell?! Those cables cost money and AQ should inform its clients regarding the specifications of their cables! That's a serious priority!
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