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PacMan
February 9, 2015, 03:41 PM
This thread is dedicated to pictures of the Salon2.

This bloke has seven Salon2's in his 7.2 system.
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9679&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9680&stc=1

His thread:
AudiogoN Forums: The Tao (http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/fr.pl?vaslt&1170194197&openflup&27&4)

joeinid
February 9, 2015, 04:12 PM
Nice!

Ritmo
February 9, 2015, 07:46 PM
I hate to be the guy seating at the end of the sofa...:D

PacMan
February 10, 2015, 03:50 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9687&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9688&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9689&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9690&stc=1

PacMan
February 12, 2015, 04:33 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9729&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9733&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9734&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9730&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9731&stc=1

joeinid
February 12, 2015, 05:12 PM
Great photos! Thank you for posting.

Alpinist
February 12, 2015, 08:12 PM
Wonderful photos! The Salon 2's really are works of art. I love the wood finish.

Ken

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 06:39 PM
Wonderful photos! The Salon 2's really are works of art. I love the wood finish.

Ken
Thanks.
I love the wood finish (mahogany), too.
Your Salon2-fascination is shared: I read in threads that you own them yourself. Excellent speakers.

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 07:26 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9754&stc=1

Revel gives you a happy smile.

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 07:28 PM
The T-shirt to wear.
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9755&stc=1

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 07:32 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9756&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9757&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9758&stc=1

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9759&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9760&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9761&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9762&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9763&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9764&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9765&stc=1

PacMan
February 13, 2015, 07:39 PM
Desperately waiting for my pair to appear.

jaxwired
February 13, 2015, 08:58 PM
Wow, some outstanding camera work on this thread. Very nice!

MDP
February 13, 2015, 09:01 PM
Desperately waiting for my pair to appear.

Good things come to those who wait !

You will be very pleased :celebrate008_2:

MDP
February 13, 2015, 09:09 PM
Wow, some outstanding camera work on this thread. Very nice!

Tom, you are invited to come and listen anytime !

jaxwired
February 13, 2015, 09:27 PM
Tom, you are invited to come and listen anytime !

Thank you Mark! Would love to have you over here again as well. Especially now that I have something new to show you.

MDP
February 13, 2015, 10:58 PM
Thank you Mark! Would love to have you over here again as well. Especially now that I have something new to show you.

Let's set it up ! Text me and we will make it happen.

jaxwired
February 13, 2015, 11:19 PM
Let's set it up ! Text me and we will make it happen.

Will do.

PacMan
February 15, 2015, 04:00 AM
FINE TUNING HARMAN?S AUDIOPHILE LISTENING ROOM | The Wire on SVConline (http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2015/01/07/fine-tuning-harmans-audiophile-listening-room/)

http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9773&stc=1

MacFly
February 16, 2015, 08:21 PM
^^ Nice set up. I bet this set up sounds awesome

PacMan
February 17, 2015, 01:23 PM
Received my brand new Salon2's today.
The sound soundstage is big and I love them already.
A picture taken with my simple camera:
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9793&stc=1

joeinid
February 17, 2015, 01:34 PM
Congratulations !

They are wonderful speakers. Enjoy.

MDP
February 17, 2015, 01:48 PM
Congrats on a world class pair of speakers !!!

PacMan
February 17, 2015, 02:12 PM
Congratulations !

They are wonderful speakers. Enjoy.


Congrats on a world class pair of speakers !!!

Thanks Joe and Mark !
Yes, they are wonderful world class speakers: Thanks to all people at Revel for making them !
I want to thank both of Joe and Mark for your useful discussions through "Audioshark-messaging" and for being important contributors to this forum.
This forum has a very good layout/functionality and positive discussions seem to be the standard here.

joeinid
February 17, 2015, 02:19 PM
We certainly appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much.

Mike
February 17, 2015, 03:22 PM
Thanks Joe and Mark !
Yes, they are wonderful world class speakers: Thanks to all people at Revel for making them !
I want to thank both of Joe and Mark for your useful discussions through "Audioshark-messaging" and for being important contributors to this forum.
This forum has a very good layout/functionality and positive discussions seem to be the standard here.

We are glad you're here. Joe and Mark are the best!

MDP
February 17, 2015, 03:56 PM
We certainly appreciate your kind words. Thank you so much.

+1

Alpinist
February 17, 2015, 06:16 PM
Received my brand new Salon2's today.
The sound soundstage is big and I love them already.
A picture taken with my simple camera:


Congratulations PacMan!!! They look beautiful. I wish you many hours of happy listening. The Salon 2's are world class loudspeakers and have some of the smoothest treble I've ever heard. The speakers just don't have any weak points.

Best,
Ken

Mike
February 17, 2015, 06:43 PM
Here's a pic of my Studio 2's with Classe and ARC amps.

http://img-2013.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/18/a4abehyh.jpg

I will try to find a picture of my Salon 2's with McIntosh 2301's and McIntosh 1.2kws too.

joeinid
February 17, 2015, 06:49 PM
THAT was a nice system Mike!

Mike
February 17, 2015, 06:58 PM
The ARC REF250's on the Studio 2's was incredible. The 2301's on the Salon 2's was excellent, but they killed them. I shut down the 2301's more than 10 times. Those Salon 2's are beasts to drive!

MacFly
February 17, 2015, 07:30 PM
Congrats Pacman the Salon 2's are awesome speakers, they work well as 2 channel and with movies. I have had a pair for almost 6 years.

Ritmo
February 17, 2015, 08:41 PM
Congrats on your Salon 2s Pacman! Like other "sharks", I really enjoyed mine. They are excellent speakers.

PacMan
February 18, 2015, 06:15 PM
Congrats Pacman the Salon 2's are awesome speakers, they work well as 2 channel and with movies. I have had a pair for almost 6 years.
Thanks, Kevin!
I agree.
What are you most impressed about regarding the Salon2's?
Here are two pictures of my speakershttp://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9809&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9810&stc=1

PacMan
February 18, 2015, 06:21 PM
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Congrats on your Salon 2s Pacman! Like other "sharks", I really enjoyed mine. They are excellent speakers.
Thank you, Ritmo.
Another two pictures of my speakers:
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9811&stc=1

PacMan
February 18, 2015, 06:30 PM
the second one:
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9814&stc=1

joeinid
February 18, 2015, 08:29 PM
Great photos. I heard them again today! Love them.

PacMan
February 19, 2015, 04:09 PM
more photos of my speakers.
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9822&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9823&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9824&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9825&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9826&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9827&stc=1

PacMan
February 19, 2015, 04:11 PM
more here...
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9828&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9829&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9830&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9831&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9832&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9833&stc=1

PacMan
February 19, 2015, 04:15 PM
more...
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9835&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9836&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9837&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9838&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9839&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9840&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9841&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9842&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9843&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9844&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9845&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9846&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9847&stc=1http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9848&stc=1

MDP
February 19, 2015, 04:21 PM
Great pics ! Now you have a set of speakers to build your system around. Remember, with the Salons, they will continue to get better as the rest of your gear does. So take your time and audition as much gear at home as you can.

PacMan
February 19, 2015, 05:08 PM
Great pics ! Now you have a set of speakers to build your system around. Remember, with the Salons, they will continue to get better as the rest of your gear does. So take your time and audition as much gear at home as you can.
Thanks, Mark.
I have most of them (and more pictures too) in NEF format, also. In that format the size of each picture is more than 40 Mb and is very detailed.

Alpinist
February 19, 2015, 10:09 PM
Thanks, Mark.
I have most of them (and more pictures too) in NEF format, also. In that format the size of each picture is more than 40 Mb and is very detailed.

Pac Man,

I like those photos with your reflection in the curves of the front baffle, very artistic!

Ken

PacMan
February 20, 2015, 01:26 PM
Pac Man,

I like those photos with your reflection in the curves of the front baffle, very artistic!

Ken
Thanks.
The photos are taken by a friend with a Nikon D800E camera.

PacMan
February 20, 2015, 01:35 PM
Another photo:
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9865&stc=1

Bodhi
February 21, 2015, 01:00 PM
Great photos. I heard them again today! Love them.Hi Joe, how do the Ultima Salon 2's stack up against the Magico S5's in the areas of sound staging, imaging, balance, coherency, resolution, inner detail, tone/timbre and overall naturalness in your view? I know you've got big wraps on the S3's which also impressed me :cool:.

joeinid
February 21, 2015, 01:55 PM
Hi David,

I've lived with Studio2's which are great (especially with ART monos). A couple of friends have Salon2's, which are awesome (they've used Ayre and the Hegel H30). I briefly heard the S1, S5 and S3 in different demos. They are world class but can cost well above the Salon2's.

Honestly, I think the S5's have better/more bass than the Salon2's. The S5's display a higher level of resolution and clarity. The S5's also have a better - more balanced midrange, as the Salon2 midrange can seem slightly recessed, especially with certain amps (but it's not a deal breaker) . However, the Salon2 tweeter is world class and smoother to me. That being said, there is still a $10K - $15K difference in pricing which also much be taken into account. The Salon2's, with the right amps, fight way above their class and can easily satisfy one's audiophile needs. I'd take S3's, for my room, in a heartbeat. I'd also take Salon2's in a heartbeat with the gear that I already have and never have to look back.




Hi Joe, how do the Ultima Salon 2's stack up against the Magico S5's in the areas of sound staging, imaging, balance, coherency, resolution, inner detail, tone/timbre and overall naturalness in your view? I know you've got big wraps on the S3's which also impressed me :cool:.

MDP
February 21, 2015, 02:31 PM
That's a very fair comparison Joe.

David, I know you didn't ask me,but I hope you don't mind me putting my 2 cents in. The S5 is probably a better overall speaker when it comes to reproducing sound. What I mean by that is that it does all the audiophile stuff better than the Salon 2. I really like the S5, a lot !

What the S5 didn't do, and I'm only speaking for myself so please don't take this as a criticism, is give me the emotional connection to the music as well as the Salons do. The Revel tweeter as Joe pointed out is one of the best in the world. And the speaker has an excellent overall balance, with a seamless integration of the drivers.

At this level, it comes down to very personal choices. The S5 truly is a world class speaker, as is the Salon.

I love Apples, you love Oranges. Everybody wins !

joeinid
February 21, 2015, 02:47 PM
Very well said Mark.

I'd love to live with the S3 and see how I connect with them.

mep
February 21, 2015, 02:56 PM
pacman-Looks like someone broke in and stole your stereo system and just left the speakers! :)

puroagave
February 21, 2015, 02:59 PM
priorities, Mark. it was either a stereo or furnishings, he chose stereo... duh:congrats:


btw, nice speakers.

Mike
February 21, 2015, 03:09 PM
Pacman - your room is a perfect candidate for room treatments.


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mep
February 21, 2015, 03:11 PM
priorities, Mark. it was either a stereo or furnishings, he chose stereo... duh:congrats:


btw, nice speakers.

I don't see much stereo there which was my point and thus the comment that it looks like someone broke in and stole his stereo system and left the speakers.

PacMan
February 21, 2015, 10:44 PM
pacman-Looks like someone broke in and stole your stereo system and just left the speakers! :)
:D
I do not like things like paintings etc. hanging on the walls. Room treatment products are OK, though :)
The pictures show only a small part of the room. A three seater sofa + 2 single sofa chairs + more chairs are in the not-shown part of the room. The other part has higher WAF.
The amplifier is an integrated amplifier. On my "PC table" is a Benchmark DAC1 and a Sennheiser HD800. As this is a "Revel Ultima Salon2 pictures" thread, it feels natural to focus on the speakers.

PacMan
February 21, 2015, 10:46 PM
Pacman - your room is a perfect candidate for room treatments.


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That may be true, and I guess most rooms are perfect candidates for room treatments.
The room's acoustics will be measured and several room treatment products will be bought.

PacMan
February 21, 2015, 11:02 PM
btw, nice speakers.
Thanks, Rob!

Bodhi
February 21, 2015, 11:13 PM
Hi David,

I've lived with Studio2's which are great (especially with ART monos). A couple of friends have Salon2's, which are awesome (they've used Ayre and the Hegel H30). I briefly heard the S1, S5 and S3 in different demos. They are world class but can cost well above the Salon2's.

Honestly, I think the S5's have better/more bass than the Salon2's. The S5's display a higher level of resolution and clarity. The S5's also have a better - more balanced midrange, as the Salon2 midrange can seem slightly recessed, especially with certain amps (but it's not a deal breaker) . However, the Salon2 tweeter is world class and smoother to me. That being said, there is still a $10K - $15K difference in pricing which also much be taken into account. The Salon2's, with the right amps, fight way above their class and can easily satisfy one's audiophile needs. I'd take S3's, for my room, in a heartbeat. I'd also take Salon2's in a heartbeat with the gear that I already have and never have to look back.Thanks for your reply Joe :thumbsup: The Salon 2 by all accounts sounds like a terrific speaker with an outstanding tweeter. These are very different speakers; 3 way/4 driver vs 4 way/6 driver, carbon nano-tec vs titanium, aluminium vs wood cabinet, sealed vs ported, single wired vs biwired. Yet their are similarities; both are dynamic speakers and both use aluminium bass drivers & beryllium tweeters. Harman of course bought out Infinity from Arnie Nudel, John Ulrich and Carie Christie and basically used their reference speakers from the mid-late 90's and 30+ years of research to develop their Revel line of speakers. In fact, there used to be a photo on the net showing Revel voicing their Ultima GEMS with a pair of Infinity IRS Omega's, however that photo has mysteriously disappeared. So you could view the Revel speakers as an evolution of the classic Infinity's, albeit without the iconic planar magnetic drivers which ostensibly left with Arnie.

Your comments about the S5's bass resonate with my own experience. I've found that ported bass drivers can sound a bit bloated and less tight/accurate compared to my current sealed box design. I found that to be the case to greater and lesser degrees with my previous Marten Coltranes and the Wilson Alexia's which i've heard on a couple of occasions. I suspect Harman's use of multiple smaller bass drivers was an attempt to address that issue. The S5's bass is solid, tight, accurate and has excellent inner details and layering. Overall it is a very well balanced and coherent sounding speaker with excellent resolution.

Interesting feedback about the two beryllium tweeters also :happy:. I recently upgraded my previous Oyaide R1 wpo which can sound a tad bright in the top end to a Furutech GTX-D (G) wpo which should provide a more organic sound and smoother top end, together with a lowered noise floor and more solid, fleshed out images compared to the GTX-D (R).

I have heard the S5's sound average and lacking an emotional connection paired with the wrong amps and front end, yet extremely pure and mellifluous sounding paired with Vitus and Soulution. And by all accounts S5 sounds marvellous with the CJ Art and Gat amps. Magico is more of a reference speaker and demands much of your upstream equipment and cables. You can't skimp on upstream gear or get the synergy wrong, or the S5's will let you know. They are very honest, but not brutally so like the Q series. But if you're prepared to invest the required funds in your upstream gear, then the S5's can be tremendously rewarding speakers.

Bodhi
February 21, 2015, 11:49 PM
That's a very fair comparison Joe.

David, I know you didn't ask me,but I hope you don't mind me putting my 2 cents in. The S5 is probably a better overall speaker when it comes to reproducing sound. What I mean by that is that it does all the audiophile stuff better than the Salon 2. I really like the S5, a lot !

What the S5 didn't do, and I'm only speaking for myself so please don't take this as a criticism, is give me the emotional connection to the music as well as the Salons do. The Revel tweeter as Joe pointed out is one of the best in the world. And the speaker has an excellent overall balance, with a seamless integration of the drivers.

At this level, it comes down to very personal choices. The S5 truly is a world class speaker, as is the Salon.

I love Apples, you love Oranges. Everybody wins !Thanks for chiming in Mark. As I eluded to in my previous post, the S5's being such a linear and resolving speaker demand much of your upstream equipment. You need to invest in the right gear for synergy, and the S5's have expensive taste. The best amps for synergy with S5 thus far have been Vitus Signature Series, Soulution's new 7 series, Absolare & CJ Art/Gat. Pass .8 series also gets an honourable mention. The S5's also require cables which are up to the task such as Siltech Royal Signature Series, Jorma Prime or Kubala Sosna Elation. Given the right amps, front end, cables and ac treatment, the S5's are capable of intimacy and an emotional connection to the music. In fact I would argue their resolution, inner detail and excellent midrange offer greater insight into female voice, in particular intimate jazz recordings.

It's all a matter of taste as you said, though I don't know if i'd describe the comparison as apples vs oranges? For sure these speakers are very different, but it's not like comparing tubes to solid state for example. Both are dynamic speakers, and both use aluminium bass drivers and beryllium tweeters. Nor is it a matter of win or lose as there are no losers here. What we can agree on is both speakers will not disappoint within their own market segments :thumbsup:.

p59teitel
February 24, 2015, 11:46 PM
Hi David (et al.) -

Good post re: comparison between the S5 and Salon 2. Just one correction: all Salon 2 drivers save the beryllium tweeter are titanium.

http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9929&d=1424835464

http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9930&d=1424835465

joeinid
February 25, 2015, 01:41 AM
Welcome to the forum p59teitel ! Thank you for joining. Great photos. Love your signature. :roflmao:

Bodhi
February 25, 2015, 02:51 AM
Hi David (et al.) -

Good post re: comparison between the S5 and Salon 2. Just one correction: all Salon 2 drivers save the beryllium tweeter are titanium.
Cheers P59. Just fyi, I described the Salon 2 as having aluminium bass drivers based on the Stereophile review, however I see they've since switched to titanium bass drivers. I think my general point contrasting apples vs oranges remains valid however.

Bodhi :vistory2:

PacMan
February 25, 2015, 12:17 PM
Welcome, Peter !
Excellent choice of speakers !
The Salon2's are the real deal !

joeinid
February 25, 2015, 06:30 PM
Welcome, Peter !
Excellent choice of speakers !
The Salon2's are the real deal !



Now aren't you glad you listened to me? Ha! I could easily live with a pair.

PacMan
February 26, 2015, 07:08 PM
I could easily live with a pair.
:thumbsup:

New guy
March 2, 2015, 01:54 AM
Here's a few pictures of my system with Revel Salon 2. 9998999910000100011000210003100041000510006

Speakers - Revel Salon2, Voice 2, 2 pairs of Embrace for rear and side, Revel B15 and Sub30.
Amps for HT- Krell Evolution 403E, 2 S275 for sides asn rears.
Amps for 2 channel music - Audio Research REF250 mono blocks
Preamp - ARC REF 5SE
Sources - Esoteric K03, ARC CD9
Computer playback - Apple Mac Mini with Berkeley USB converter
HT processor - Krell S1200
power cords and condition: Shunyata Triton, Zitron Anaconda and Python
Interconnects and speaker cables: Audioquest WEL, Wild, Everest, Diamond USB

Rich

Ritmo
March 2, 2015, 07:24 AM
Very nice Rich!

joeinid
March 2, 2015, 08:23 AM
Absolutely beautiful setup Rich. I love it.

Mike
March 2, 2015, 08:29 AM
Rich, very nice!!

REF250's on Salon 2's must be amazing.

MDP
March 2, 2015, 08:36 AM
ARC REF 250's :exciting::exciting::panic:

Dpod4
March 2, 2015, 12:28 PM
Awesome how the drivers of the revels tie in with the silver on the Arc 250s. And super cool how you have diffuser panel on tv screen

MDP
March 2, 2015, 01:09 PM
Beautiful system Rich !

p59teitel
March 2, 2015, 01:54 PM
Looks great! So what time should we be there for Movie Night? :D

MDP
March 2, 2015, 04:47 PM
Hey Pete, how would you describe the sound of the Symphonic Line gear with the Salons ?

What have you compared it to ?

Thanks !

PacMan
March 2, 2015, 06:56 PM
Thanks for post photos of your great Revel speakers, Rich.

p59teitel
March 3, 2015, 10:14 AM
Hey Pete, how would you describe the sound of the Symphonic Line gear with the Salons ?

What have you compared it to ?

Thanks !

Mark, the Symphonic Line gear is a great match with the Revels. I'll go through it piece by piece.

The monos are slightly warm, fast and super-dynamic. The top is sweet although not rolled off, and the bass has weight, body and texture. The manufacturer seems to disdain specs or at least doesn't worry about providing them, but a less powerful model is said to provide 120A of peak current, so it would seem they are comparable to other heavy hitters like Soulution and Gryphon in that department. Using an iPhone sound meter app to measure, I've driven the Revels to 118dB peaks at my listening seat with them before audible clipping starts (not something I do every day!).

The tube pre adds an additional touch of warmth and richness of texture, and gives a deep and tall soundstage that extends past the speakers. Players and singers are properly sized within those spaces. It is the oldest piece in the system, originally made in 1999 but stripped down to the circuit boards and rebuilt to then-current standards in 2011. To give you an idea of how important it is in the overall system sound, a year ago I put in a bad tube and cooked some stuff on the power supply board, and was without it for a month. I used the Plinius M8 pre-amp that I'd kept...and I couldn't wait for the SL pre-amp to come back. Choice of tubes can make a sizable difference in sound; the Telefunken E88CCs I'm currently using are detailed, extended and really get the imaging thing down pat, while the Mullard CV2492s give that rich Mullard midrange. The stock EH 6922 tubes it comes with don't come close to doing it justice; they are detailed and have some drive but don't give the holographic imaging and sweetness that better tubes do.

The CDP is still in that awkward teenage stage. So far it is extracting quite a bit more detail and more powerful bass from CDs than the Ayre player does. The decays are impressive, to say the least, and it carries the system dynamics even further. It also brings vocals a little more forward than the Ayre does; this would address what some say is a perceived weakness in the Salons (it's never bothered me). The power supplies are massive for a CDP, and I'm waiting for them to break in and for a wee bit of upper-mid stridency to continue to go diminish, but I can already proclaim it a winner.

In terms of comparisons, only other amp I've used on the Revels was a Plinius SB-301. That amp brought the bass in spades and was pretty dynamic too. It was a bit rolled off compared to the Symphonic Line sound, but I have to admit it sounded great when I replaced its stablemate Plinius pre-amp with the SL pre-amp, and I could have easily lived with it for a very long time if the opportunity to get the SL monos for a bargain price had not come up. The SL amps better it in soundstaging, detail, and depth - as they should for amps that go for three times as much.

I've also heard the Salons with a Mark Levinson 532, in a very damped audio store room (my listening environment is the antithesis of damped, LOL). That amp was nice and very sweet on acoustic music and small jazz combos, but I thought it too polite and lacking speed and dynamics for rock or more complex classical.

joeinid
March 3, 2015, 10:36 AM
Wow! What a great description Pete. Thank you so much.

Mike
March 3, 2015, 10:39 AM
Pete - nice write up! Symphonic amps are Class A I believe - exactly what the Salon 2's need! Body and warmth and a little help in the mids.

MDP
March 3, 2015, 11:50 AM
Mark, the Symphonic Line gear is a great match with the Revels. I'll go through it piece by piece.

The monos are slightly warm, fast and super-dynamic. The top is sweet although not rolled off, and the bass has weight, body and texture. The manufacturer seems to disdain specs or at least doesn't worry about providing them, but a less powerful model is said to provide 120A of peak current, so it would seem they are comparable to other heavy hitters like Soulution and Gryphon in that department. Using an iPhone sound meter app to measure, I've driven the Revels to 118dB peaks at my listening seat with them before audible clipping starts (not something I do every day!).

The tube pre adds an additional touch of warmth and richness of texture, and gives a deep and tall soundstage that extends past the speakers. Players and singers are properly sized within those spaces. It is the oldest piece in the system, originally made in 1999 but stripped down to the circuit boards and rebuilt to then-current standards in 2011. To give you an idea of how important it is in the overall system sound, a year ago I put in a bad tube and cooked some stuff on the power supply board, and was without it for a month. I used the Plinius M8 pre-amp that I'd kept...and I couldn't wait for the SL pre-amp to come back. Choice of tubes can make a sizable difference in sound; the Telefunken E88CCs I'm currently using are detailed, extended and really get the imaging thing down pat, while the Mullard CV2492s give that rich Mullard midrange. The stock EH 6922 tubes it comes with don't come close to doing it justice; they are detailed and have some drive but don't give the holographic imaging and sweetness that better tubes do.

The CDP is still in that awkward teenage stage. So far it is extracting quite a bit more detail and more powerful bass from CDs than the Ayre player does. The decays are impressive, to say the least, and it carries the system dynamics even further. It also brings vocals a little more forward than the Ayre does; this would address what some say is a perceived weakness in the Salons (it's never bothered me). The power supplies are massive for a CDP, and I'm waiting for them to break in and for a wee bit of upper-mid stridency to continue to go diminish, but I can already proclaim it a winner.

In terms of comparisons, only other amp I've used on the Revels was a Plinius SB-301. That amp brought the bass in spades and was pretty dynamic too. It was a bit rolled off compared to the Symphonic Line sound, but I have to admit it sounded great when I replaced its stablemate Plinius pre-amp with the SL pre-amp, and I could have easily lived with it for a very long time if the opportunity to get the SL monos for a bargain price had not come up. The SL amps better it in soundstaging, detail, and depth - as they should for amps that go for three times as much.

I've also heard the Salons with a Mark Levinson 532, in a very damped audio store room (my listening environment is the antithesis of damped, LOL). That amp was nice and very sweet on acoustic music and small jazz combos, but I thought it too polite and lacking speed and dynamics for rock or more complex classical.

Thanks Pete, I sure wish I could hear your combo. I've always wanted to hear a great tube amp on the Salons. Mike had ARC REF 250's on his Studios at one time, and he still talks about how great it was.
The Hegel H30 does some similar things as your SL amp, it brings the vocals a little bit more forward in the soundstage, which I really like. It also does a 3D soundstage that's to die for.

p59teitel
March 3, 2015, 12:12 PM
Thanks, guys. Mike, you're exactly right about what is needed from accompanying gear. I don't always buy into the current market-speak excuse-making mechanism that tells us Speaker X only drilled those holes into your eardrums at the show because it wasn't partnered with Brand Y components...but as a general rule, some lushness is good for these fellas.

Finding that lushness can get pricey, but the Salon 2s are worthy of the investment. They provide a great skeleton and it's up to you to put the meat on the bones, so to speak.

Mike
March 3, 2015, 12:37 PM
Pete - you've nailed it with the "meat on the bones". I would guess, although never heard, that a pair of Pass XA160.8's (also class A) would be superb as well. But I must say, my REF250's were incredible on my Revels.


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p59teitel
March 3, 2015, 12:53 PM
Thanks Pete, I sure wish I could hear your combo. I've always wanted to hear a great tube amp on the Salons. Mike had ARC REF 250's on his Studios at one time, and he still talks about how great it was.
The Hegel H30 does some similar things as your SL amp, it brings the vocals a little bit more forward in the soundstage, which I really like. It also does a 3D soundstage that's to die for.

Like the SL amps, your Hegel has substantial power supplies. Exactly what the doctor ordered for big, not so efficient speakers like ours. Makes all the difference in the final sound, from deep impactful bass to layered harmonies to soundstaging.

Harley's TAS review of the H30 where he says they aren't quite as detailed as Spectral is even more of an endorsement of it than I think he intended, or at least that's how I'm choosing to take it, LOL.

MDP
March 3, 2015, 01:28 PM
Like the SL amps, your Hegel has substantial power supplies. Exactly what the doctor ordered for big, not so efficient speakers like ours. Makes all the difference in the final sound, from deep impactful bass to layered harmonies to soundstaging.

Harley's TAS review of the H30 where he says they aren't quite as detailed as Spectral is even more of an endorsement of it than I think he intended, or at least that's how I'm choosing to take it, LOL.

I agree with that !
Lol

MDP
March 6, 2015, 01:57 PM
Here's a few pictures of my system with Revel Salon 2. 9998999910000100011000210003100041000510006

Speakers - Revel Salon2, Voice 2, 2 pairs of Embrace for rear and side, Revel B15 and Sub30.
Amps for HT- Krell Evolution 403E, 2 S275 for sides asn rears.
Amps for 2 channel music - Audio Research REF250 mono blocks
Preamp - ARC REF 5SE
Sources - Esoteric K03, ARC CD9
Computer playback - Apple Mac Mini with Berkeley USB converter
HT processor - Krell S1200
power cords and condition: Shunyata Triton, Zitron Anaconda and Python
Interconnects and speaker cables: Audioquest WEL, Wild, Everest, Diamond USB

Rich

Rich, please tell me how the REF250's sound with the Salons. What other amps have you heard them with for comparison ?

New guy
March 9, 2015, 01:32 AM
Mark,

I really didn't do much comparison prior to buying the Ref250s. In fact,I bought them without seeing and hearing them. The REF 250 and REF5se were my first foray into tubes. I have always had solid state equipment. I am an engineer and tubes never really made much sense to me- old technology with short life span, but once I heard the REF5se it was a new revelation. I ordered the REF250 the following week.

In the last year or so, I got back into photography and have been spending less time on audio. The amps only have 800 hours after three years. I am listening the REF250s tonight and almost forgotten how great the REF 250s sound with the Salon 2s. The vocals are so smooth with deep 3D soundstage. It just pulls you into the music and you are just more emotionally involved. The Ref250s drives the Salon2s without breaking a sweat and it handles low bass notes very well. Maybe not as deep as some solid states such as Krell, but the the highs and mids are more natural.

I just read that ARC is coming out with the SE upgrade for the REF250. I may consider it if the improvements are significant, but it's pretty steep at $9k.

Rich

PacMan
March 10, 2015, 06:54 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10097&stc=1

Alpinist
March 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nice aerial view! How do you like the Voice 2 center channel speaker? Surround sound doesn't get any better than with Revel's Ultima 2 line. :)

Ken

Ritmo
March 10, 2015, 09:39 PM
Your four legged friend has the best seat in the house...looking great!

PacMan
March 11, 2015, 12:10 PM
Nice aerial view! How do you like the Voice 2 center channel speaker? Surround sound doesn't get any better than with Revel's Ultima 2 line. :)

Ken
Unfortunately, the picture is just one which I found on the internet.

PacMan
March 12, 2015, 06:43 PM
Video: A mastering engineer's perspective of the Revel Ultima2 Series loudspeakers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7VdX905iyo)

Alpinist
March 12, 2015, 11:12 PM
Video: A mastering engineer's perspective of the Revel Ultima2 Series loudspeakers. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7VdX905iyo)

I remember seeing this video when I was shopping for the Salon 2. The Salon 2 is a terrific speaker for audio mastering because it has such a neutral frequency response. I think it was one of the flattest that JA ever measured. This is one of those situations where empirical measurement totally supports what you are hearing.

Ken

PacMan
March 14, 2015, 02:44 PM
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PacMan
March 15, 2015, 05:45 PM
and another photo found on internet...
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10165&stc=1

MacFly
March 15, 2015, 06:53 PM
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My Home Theater in the Future

PacMan
March 16, 2015, 06:20 PM
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PacMan
March 18, 2015, 04:30 PM
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PacMan
March 19, 2015, 06:50 PM
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MDP
March 19, 2015, 07:26 PM
Nice pics

PacMan
March 22, 2015, 10:05 AM
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PacMan
March 24, 2015, 04:45 PM
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PacMan
March 25, 2015, 06:50 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10299&stc=1

Amazing speakers and a beautiful dog.

p59teitel
March 28, 2015, 11:15 AM
Those are my Salon 2s and my late buddy Orbis. Pic is from 2012. We said goodbye last month after he was found to have a large tumor on his spleen that had ruptured. I decided he deserved a quick passing and chose not to put him through surgery and chemo just to prolong his life for a few months.

He was a strong, athletic, happy-go-lucky dog who loved everyone and was never sick until his final illness. For some reason he absolutely loved The Who and always came into the room and hung out whenever they were on the stereo. My other dog and I really miss him.

MDP
March 28, 2015, 12:24 PM
Those are my Salon 2s and my late buddy Orbis. Pic is from 2012. We said goodbye last month after he was found to have a large tumor on his spleen that had ruptured. I decided he deserved a quick passing and chose not to put him through surgery and chemo just to prolong his life for a few months.

He was a strong, athletic, happy-go-lucky dog who loved everyone and was never sick until his final illness. For some reason he absolutely loved The Who and always came into the room and hung out whenever they were on the stereo. My other dog and I really miss him.

It's hard to lose a pet, I still miss my little girl, Gretel was the best dog I ever had !

rbbert
March 28, 2015, 02:21 PM
Pete, you have a new Shepherd now, don't you? Any picks of her?

joeinid
March 28, 2015, 02:33 PM
Peter,

So sorry for your loss. At least you have great memories.

PacMan
March 29, 2015, 05:47 PM
Those are my Salon 2s and my late buddy Orbis. Pic is from 2012. We said goodbye last month after he was found to have a large tumor on his spleen that had ruptured. I decided he deserved a quick passing and chose not to put him through surgery and chemo just to prolong his life for a few months.

He was a strong, athletic, happy-go-lucky dog who loved everyone and was never sick until his final illness. For some reason he absolutely loved The Who and always came into the room and hung out whenever they were on the stereo. My other dog and I really miss him.
It is understandable that you really miss that dog, Peter.
Dogs are great company.
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10346&stc=1

Ritmo
March 29, 2015, 07:57 PM
Love the Salons - what a great room!

Sorry about your loss Pete. We lost our Westie 8 years ago - still miss the guy. He used to hang around with me and enjoy music.

Bodhi
March 29, 2015, 09:06 PM
Love the Salons - what a great room!
+ 1. That's a really nice looking room & some tasty gear! :audiophile:

PacMan
March 31, 2015, 12:41 PM
man's best speakers and man's best friend.
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10368&stc=1

PacMan
March 31, 2015, 12:42 PM
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crwilli
March 31, 2015, 04:56 PM
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Yowzzzza !!! Very nice


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CPP
March 31, 2015, 05:19 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10369&stc=1


Just so much Audiophile porn in this post, I like :cantstoplooking:

MDP
March 31, 2015, 08:31 PM
Just so much Audiophile porn in this post, I like :cantstoplooking:

Me too !

PacMan
April 3, 2015, 04:00 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10408&stc=1

joeinid
April 3, 2015, 04:16 PM
http://audioshark.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=10369&stc=1

OMG! I'd love those MC2KW's !

PacMan
April 15, 2015, 06:47 PM
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Mike
April 15, 2015, 06:53 PM
The lighting makes those drivers look white!

p59teitel
August 4, 2015, 10:49 PM
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MDP
August 5, 2015, 04:50 AM
Beautiful setup and room!!!

I would love to hear the Salons with your electronics. What benefit did you observe from the speaker stands?

p59teitel
August 5, 2015, 08:38 AM
Thanks Mark!

The Star Sound platforms definitely make a positive difference. It's like they remove a layer of film from a window between you and the music. Attacks are faster and more detail emerges, without a shift in the tonal balance to a leaner sound. They also improved the soundstage, particularly the depth. I have them under the monos as well - they didn't have as dramatic an effect there, but still one that was noticeable and pleasing. Sometime this fall the pre and sources will be going on Star Sound's Rhythm platforms.

The latest tweak is the palm trees - I can't believe the beneficial effect they've had in reducing reflections off the windows behind the speakers! Now even tipped-up sources that were too strident to listen to at volume sound decent, and I no longer have occasional impure thoughts about sub-woofers as the bass seems to be landing better at the listening position. Less than a hundred bucks at Lowes for the trees and pots.

Awaiting receipt of the Uptone Audio Regen USB thingy sometime mid-month. At this point I'm down to small tweaks for a while, although eventually I'll take a serious plunge into computer audio.

rbbert
August 5, 2015, 01:46 PM
Did you choose the Star Sounds because they were less expensive, or did you compare them to some other options?

p59teitel
August 5, 2015, 03:31 PM
Neither really, I went with them based upon the available reviewer/user consensus that they tended to speed up attacks and leading edges, while also providing more detail and better decays.

I'm also aware of the consensus viewpoint of Stillpoints being absolute champs of holographic imaging and soundstaging, and certainly those values are important ones as well. In my case, i.e. specific to my system and my priorities, I felt I was doing well enough there and went with the Star Sound platforms for their claimed virtues.

rbbert
August 5, 2015, 05:59 PM
FWIW, at the last 2 Newport THE Shows (the last two shows I have attended) virtually the only aftermarket loudspeaker base/feet used were Stillpoints, and they were quite a bit more prevalent in my experience in 2015 than 2014. They were even more popular as component footers.