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cmalak
January 6, 2014, 10:40 PM
Jeff Rowland Design Group Continuum S2 Integrated Amplifier - The Audio Beat - www.TheAudioBeat.com (http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/jeff_rowland_continuum_s2.htm)

Very interesting read. This seems like quite an accomplished integrated. You can also get DAC and phono modules added as well for a true one-box solution. The majority of the review is focused on the integrated amp but he does spend a considerable time going over his impressions of the add-on modules. Highly recommended for anyone considering an integrated and even those who are not. Seems like Class D has come a long way, and, Roy Gregory gives a thoroughly positive review of a Class D amp for the first time with Continuum S2.

Some pics and a video of the CNC machining used to carve out the bodies of various JRDG products from solid aluminum billets:

http://www.theaudiobeat.com/equipment/pics/jeff_rowland_continuum_2.jpg


https://vimeo.com/81139012

XV-1
January 7, 2014, 08:00 AM
Jeff could not think of another name than the Aussie Turntable?

cmalak
January 7, 2014, 11:14 AM
Shane...not sure what you're referring to here?

Shadowfax
January 7, 2014, 11:26 AM
Nice gear and article. I enjoyed the video due to being a Toolmaker / Machine Designer for 25 years in my last profession. I used to machine similar parts out of solid chunks but not for audio except for when I worked at a shop building the original Versa Dynamics Turntables.

4music
February 15, 2014, 03:50 AM
Anybody other than Roy heard the Continuum S2? Lars of Raidho is using this for demos, so it should be respectable.

socfan12
February 15, 2014, 07:36 AM
I believe Jock (professor) owns one. Perhaps he'll chime in...

GuidoCorona
February 15, 2014, 01:02 PM
I just did a search for "reviews" on the Rowland Knowledge Base:

Jeff Rowland :: Current Product Reviews (http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/kb/questions.php?questionid=630)

This far, for Continuum S2, the only review listed is Roy Gregory's article on TheAudioBeat

I do not own Continuum S2, but I listened to it at RMAF 2013 several hours over the three days of the show... I was honestly impressed by the musical involvement that it generated... As much as its predecessor (Continuum 500) left me unenthusiastic because of a slight rough edge to the C500 presentation and a somewhat two-dimensionality of the stage/images, the sound of S2 was utterly delightful, particularly on the last day... By Sunday the machine had been making music for about a week or so since it emerged from the assembly floor... I wonder how a CS2 with a good 1K hours of music on it would sound.

Guido

4music
February 15, 2014, 02:23 PM
Guido,

Useful information on the S2, thanks for sharing. Given you knowledge and first hand experience with Rowland gear how close would you rank the S2 in comparison to the 625 amp (or others) in the Rowland line?

Tim

the professor
February 15, 2014, 04:35 PM
I have had an S2 since last Monday. I am very impressed with it. It really plays music. The last time I spent anytime with Rowland gear I was not impressed. That was 10 years ago or so.

At first the S2 was a little lean but after a couple days it balanced out and if anything is a touch warm. But after 3 days - who knows how it will be next week.

It seems like a great value so far. It has the "tap your toe" music involvement.

Mike
February 15, 2014, 04:45 PM
Cool Jock - sounds like a great piece at its price point especially.

Ritmo
February 15, 2014, 10:41 PM
I'm pretty sure this integrated was at RMAF a few months ago. I spoke with Jeff Rowland at the show. He was very excited about his new products - including this integrated. Really nice guy.

cmalak
February 15, 2014, 10:57 PM
Jock...congrats! Did you get the S2 with the DAC and phono modules on board? If yes (for either or both) how would you characterize their performance?

4music
February 16, 2014, 07:48 AM
I have had an S2 since last Monday. I am very impressed with it. It really plays music. The last time I spent anytime with Rowland gear I was not impressed. That was 10 years ago or so.

At first the S2 was a little lean but after a couple days it balanced out and if anything is a touch warm. But after 3 days - who knows how it will be next week.

It seems like a great value so far. It has the "tap your toe" music involvement.

Jock congratulations. Keep us posted on the sound......

the professor
February 16, 2014, 10:10 AM
I did get the phono board. I have no idea how it sounds. I don't have a record player. I figured I would get it because you just never know.

kiwi_1282001
February 16, 2014, 11:11 PM
I got the opportunity to audition the Jeff Rowland Continuum S2 recently and I thought very highly of it. It is quite an advance over its predecessor the C-500 which I admired for its hi-fi abilities (particularly bass control and sound-stage) but could not love because whilst it nicely joined Hi-Fi dots it lacked warmth and the ability to communicate emotional soul which is delicately woven into great music.


I read Roy Gregory’s review and I was amazed that he did not mention the greatest attribute of the Continuum S2 – the attribute which actually sets it apart from many of its rivals and makes this one of the best integrated amplifiers I’ve heard. So let me fill you in on the Gregory GAP – that attribute is blackness. The S2 provides a stunningly black backdrop for the music to reside. Partner the S2 with a quiet speaker like the Raidho C-1.1 (or better if the funds allow) and enjoy musical reproduction few systems south of $50k can provide.

GuidoCorona
February 17, 2014, 02:31 PM
Hi Tim,,

at RMAF 2013 I listened to Continuum S2 + Aeris DAC + Cardas Clear/Beyond wires driving Raidho D1 speakers in the Rowland room. The Nordost suite instead was showing M625 + Corus + Aeris driving Audio Physics speakers through Valhalla 2 wires... Both systems were wonderfully musical and resolving in their own way.

Yet, as the amps are so different -- integrated vs stereo -- and their complement of electronics, speakers, and wires largely different as well, it is difficult to isolate the effect of the amplification section from the whole.

One should rather look at the applicability of the two devices... CS2 yields obvious functional integration with its combination of integrated amp plus phono/DAC, while M625 lends itself to greater system flexibility, having amongst other things, two sets of binding posts for driving biwirable speakers, versus the single pair of output connectors of CS2.

As for an audible comparison with M825 and M925... CS2/M625 serve a fractional pricepoint from M925/M825... with predictable audible differences.

Guido

the professor
February 17, 2014, 10:09 PM
Just did a comparison between the S2 after a week of burn in and the D'Agostino preamp and Dag power amps.

No the S2 isn't better. In any way really. BUT........ For $9500 vs $90,000ish. The better value hands down is the S2. I know - how can you compare the two. You can't. But it's the two systems I can easily compare. Sorry.

The S2s don't leave you wanting more. You don't feel lacking. Yes the Dags are better, but you know, I can't say I didn't get into the music any different with either. Any really, is there anything else?

My congrats to Rowland. We'll done......

socfan12
February 17, 2014, 10:13 PM
Very nice, Jock. I love Rowland gear. Does the S2 have optional phono/Dac cards available?

cmalak
February 17, 2014, 10:30 PM
Yep both. Roy Gregory said the DAC was ok but that the phono was very good.

the professor
February 17, 2014, 10:57 PM
Yes

I haven't heard either. I have the phono but nothing to feed it.

You can have one or the other. It goes into input 1.

Raidho
February 18, 2014, 12:19 PM
personally I find that if you buy the S2, you have to buy both the DAC and the phono stage, because they are brilliant... very close to world class.. specially the DAC is really great sounding.. at Raidho we have bought 2 pcs. for demos.. the S2 will for sure out compete a lot of pre-power combos

cmalak
February 18, 2014, 07:16 PM
personally I find that if you buy the S2, you have to buy both the DAC and the phono stage, because they are brilliant... very close to world class.. specially the DAC is really great sounding.. at Raidho we have bought 2 pcs. for demos.. the S2 will for sure out compete a lot of pre-power combos

So the DAC is a $450 option and the phono is a $350 optional module. It's interesting your take on the DAC because Roy Gregory, while agreeing with you that it punches well above it's weight, he thinks it still lacks in certain areas. Here are some his comments on the DAC below:


The DAC option is frighteningly effective. Super quick and clean, it will sound rather thin and overly polished on first installation, but run a signal through it for a week and it soon starts to fill out and settle down. Clarity and purpose are its strong suits, performance traits that dovetail perfectly with the emphatic dynamics and solid sense of presence generated by the CEC TL 3N transport. This was a combination that performed well beyond its price point...

In absolute terms the Rowland DAC card does flatten the depth perspective and introduce an overall smoothing of textures. Even running from the CEC transport it never had the textural finesse or overall sense of spatial coherence, that sense of the air not just between but surrounding the instruments, that you get from a player like the Wadia S7i -- but then it doesn’t do the same damage to your bank balance of a player like the Wadia. The Wadia is more three-dimensional in terms of both the images and the overall acoustic, and it offers a broader and more natural range of tonal colors. But that is to rather miss the point. The S7i might well be considered a natural partner for the Continuum S2, as might Rowland’s own Aeris DAC, but both come at a heavy price. The internal DAC option offers both a viable stop-gap solution -- one that will easily outperform equivalently priced freestanding units -- or a step up in performance for a secondary source. In either role, its crisp, clean, dynamic and purposeful delivery, full of drive and energy, will make it welcome.

As well as the CEC, I found myself using the Naim UnitiServe for much of the review period. This UPnP network server solution, connected via its own S/PDIF output rather than a separate streamer, seemed like the natural partner for the no-nonsense approach of the Continuum S2. Its mellow, relaxed sound and typical Naim sense of musical pace offered the perfect source for the internal DAC’s positive sense of musical purpose. Sure, if I hooked up the dCS Vivaldi it was only too obvious what I was missing, but for general musical enjoyment and non-critical listening this iPad-driven source component/library was ideal -- and I can see the internal DAC card fitting right into this role.

On the phono stage, he wholeheartedly agrees that eventhough it's only a $350 optional module, it's performance comes close to delivering truly high end sonics. Here are some of his comments:


It would be easy to assume that, in much the same way that the DAC is an ideal stepping stone or secondary source solution, the internal phono option is best considered a stop-gap, unlikely to satisfy those looking for the last word in vinyl replay. In practice it’s a lot better than that, offering a step up in performance over the DAC card and in many cases I suspect that it will be as much phono stage as many listeners will want and a better phono stage than they’ve ever had. In many respects that should come as no great surprise; from standalone devices like the Michell Iso onwards, simple but carefully executed IC-based phono stages have demonstrated just how capable and cost effective they can be. Shackle this one to the kind of power supply and electrical infrastructure that go with the Continuum internals and the results are exceptional given the price...

The challenge for any high-resolution phono stage is giving access to the music buried in those vinyl grooves without letting the storage medium and its shortcomings intrude. I can’t say that the Continuum S2’s phono cards are particularly kind to surface noise -- they’re too quick and extended for that -- but they do have the happy knack of reproducing clicks and pops in a completely different plane to the music...

The true vinyl devotee will probably want more facilities and more performance than the Continuum S2 phono cards deliver. Greater tonal differentiation and insight would be nice, as would switchable EQ curves -- but at what price? I compared the internal boards to several of the standalone units I have in-house and they consistently delivered a quicker, cleaner sound with far greater poise and structural clarity than the external options -- and at a lower cost too. These are no afterthought or make-weight option, but a genuinely capable vinyl replay solution. For listeners who want continued access to an existing vinyl collection, even as they transition to or reinforce a greater reliance on digital media, they’ll be a godsend -- as well as being a more than capable answer for the more dedicated vinyl listener while he waits until his bank balance recovers enough (after buying the S2 and/or a turntable, 'arm and cartridge) to afford the standalone phono stage of his dreams. Don’t overlook the Continuum S2’s phono stage on the basis of price; you could be very pleasantly surprised.

socfan12
February 18, 2014, 09:08 PM
So you can get both optional cards at the same time for the S2 or it's either or?

cmalak
February 18, 2014, 11:43 PM
Jock...said only one but I believe you can get both at same time as that's how Roy Gregory reviewed the unit with both modules on board.

the professor
February 18, 2014, 11:44 PM
I thought it was either or but maybe you can do both?????

Looking inside it def looks like the phono could be RCA 2 instead of RCA 1 ?????




So you can get both optional cards at the same time for the S2 or it's either or?

bk12
February 27, 2014, 02:08 AM
personally I find that if you buy the S2, you have to buy both the DAC and the phono stage, because they are brilliant... very close to world class.. specially the DAC is really great sounding.. at Raidho we have bought 2 pcs. for demos.. the S2 will for sure out compete a lot of pre-power combos

I have to agree that the DAC card is really incredible. I am just loving my S2, and the DAC is an incredible value. I have had some really good DACs in the system, and this one easily holds its own. I think it is a no-brainer for $450, and actually makes the unit that much more special.

joeinid
February 27, 2014, 03:41 AM
Welcome to the forum bk12! Thank you for joining!

kiwi_1282001
February 27, 2014, 05:28 AM
I have to agree that the DAC card is really incredible. I am just loving my S2, and the DAC is an incredible value. I have had some really good DACs in the system, and this one easily holds its own. I think it is a no-brainer for $450, and actually makes the unit that much more special.

Welcome bk12.

Could you share some system details and in particular what speakers the S2 is driving.

Thanks!

bk12
February 28, 2014, 10:04 PM
Welcome bk12.

Could you share some system details and in particular what speakers the S2 is driving.

Thanks!

Thanks for the warm welcome guys. I am running a set of Soundlab ESLs with the S2...and it is doing quite well. JRDG does a great preamp-and having that teamed with the DAC card and the Pascal class D modules just makes for a great integrated.

kiwi_1282001
March 24, 2014, 03:56 PM
Hi again Bk12,

I could not find any specification online on what the idle power consumption is of the Jeff Rowland Continuum S2. Does the manual that comes with the unit specify? Based on my experience of the JR Continuum C-500 (the predecessor to the S2), this is one integrated amplifer you should not switch off. Do you have any comments / observations on the S2's performance cold vs. say 24 hours on?

Thank you!

Ralph

the professor
March 24, 2014, 04:32 PM
I didn't get an owners manual with my S2.

They have a Knowledge Base set up on their website and that sort of is the manual.

Continuum S2 Integrated (http://jeffrowlandgroup.com/kb/categories.php?categoryid=211)

GuidoCorona
March 24, 2014, 04:38 PM
Hi Ralph, I have just requested info on Continuum S2 idle power consumption from the factory... I will post here as soon as I receive the information.

Yes, Continuum S2 can be left on, unless there is a danger of electric storms or power anomalies on the grid.

On the subject of the CS2 manual... It is not yet on the Rowland site... But I should be receiving a draft copy shortly. If anyone needs it, please send me a PM.

Saluti, GUido

Mike
March 24, 2014, 04:46 PM
Guido, you're the man!


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kiwi_1282001
March 24, 2014, 05:08 PM
Hi Ralph, I have just requested info on Continuum S2 idle power consumption from the factory... I will post here as soon as I receive the information. [...]




Thanks so much Guido. I did search the knowledgebase and the Rowland site before asking. Odd they shipping S2's without manuals. The Continuum C-500 certainly did ship with a manual, I know this because I had one in my system for a while.

Does Jeff recommend the S2 be left on permanently? I am aware this is the case with some of the pre-amplifiers and I am further aware that if you switch off some models you are in for a very very long wait before the amplifier reaches optimal performance. Can you comment on that?

Thank you!

Ralph

GuidoCorona
March 24, 2014, 05:53 PM
Hi Ralph, the overall recommendation from Jeff is to leave all current Rowland amps including Continuum S2, linestages, and Aeris powered on continuously to optimize sonic/musical performance. He always reminds us that in case of possible power disruptions, equipment should be turned off.

The good news is that unlike the old ICEpower-based amps, the current crop of Rowland amps is also quite pleasing when just turned on... My own experience with M925 is that it continues to blossom further for about 24 hours of amplifying a signal, until it reaches complete stability.

If you leave it idling overnight, it will still sound quite good in the morning, and will achieve peak performance again in 90 to 120 minutes.

Admittedly, I am somewhat more anally retentive than some, when it comes to break-in and warm-up recommendations *grins!*


I have no direct experience with Continuum S2, but I suspect that behavior may be similar.

Guido

bk12
March 25, 2014, 11:32 PM
Hi Ralph,

It looks like this has been answered, but I can confirm that I leave mine on and it seems to suit things just fine. This thing draws very little power at idle, and it is shockingly efficient. I am powering with a PurePower unit that shows draw, and this thing barely gets over 10% usage, even when playing at high levels. I haven't tried to leave mine cold and compare the sound there-it is just so easy to leave on. I can't recommend this unit enough, truly remarkable!

kiwi_1282001
April 16, 2014, 03:33 PM
Hi Ralph, I have just requested info on Continuum S2 idle power consumption from the factory... I will post here as soon as I receive the information.

Yes, Continuum S2 can be left on, unless there is a danger of electric storms or power anomalies on the grid.

On the subject of the CS2 manual... It is not yet on the Rowland site... But I should be receiving a draft copy shortly. If anyone needs it, please send me a PM.

Saluti, GUido


Greetings Guido,

Did you get a reply from Jeff on power consumption (unit on but in idle state) for the Continuum S2?

Regards
Ralph

GuidoCorona
April 16, 2014, 05:45 PM
Hi Ralph, I just received the answer about idle power... 32W.

Guido

kiwi_1282001
April 17, 2014, 11:47 PM
Hi Ralph, I just received the answer about idle power... 32W.

Guido


Many thanks Guido. No reason then to ever switch them off.

Rufus McDufus
April 18, 2014, 05:20 AM
Anyone compared a Continuum S2 directly or indirectly vs a Devialet? I'm currently using a D170 with my Raidho C-1.1s and would like to give an S2 a try. Particularly interested in how the DAC option compares with the Dev (which is rather good in that respect).

kiwi_1282001
April 18, 2014, 03:56 PM
Anyone compared a Continuum S2 directly or indirectly vs a Devialet? I'm currently using a D170 with my Raidho C-1.1s and would like to give an S2 a try. Particularly interested in how the DAC option compares with the Dev (which is rather good in that respect).

Indirectly I have.

I found the sonic signature (tonality) between the two very similar with advantage to the S2 in definition and depth of bass [Devialet was no slouch in this department though].

I am keenly awaiting for Mikes report on his audition of the S2. I would quite like to simplify my system and the S2 is a leading contender in the integrated amplifier department to replace my Gryphon Diablo.

Mike
April 18, 2014, 04:29 PM
There is a reported 1000 hour break in. But I'm excited to hear the famous combo in my home.


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Rufus McDufus
April 18, 2014, 05:26 PM
Mike - do you think the S2 is a match for your Raidho D3s? It seems a little, err, asymmetric in terms of component values! It's a great recommendation if so though, and I really look forward to trying the S2 with my C-1.1s.

Mike
April 18, 2014, 05:42 PM
Mike - do you think the S2 is a match for your Raidho D3s? It seems a little, err, asymmetric in terms of component values! It's a great recommendation if so though, and I really look forward to trying the S2 with my C-1.1s.

Its what Raidho uses for demos.


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the professor
April 18, 2014, 06:43 PM
The S2 is very very good. It matches up great w Raidho. Today I've listened to the S2 on the X1s and D3s. Both were great!

It's a great value.

socfan12
April 18, 2014, 07:08 PM
What's the msrp on the S2?

Rufus McDufus
April 18, 2014, 07:13 PM
And is anyone using the on board DAC? I read a previous post that Lars from Raidho rates it.

Mike
April 18, 2014, 07:49 PM
And is anyone using the on board DAC? I read a previous post that Lars from Raidho rates it.

Not me. I'm a Lumin fan.


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NorthStar
April 18, 2014, 07:51 PM
Mike, are you well illuminated? ;)

Mike
April 18, 2014, 07:53 PM
I am. I just love it.


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GuidoCorona
April 18, 2014, 08:08 PM
Hi Allen, Continuum S2 prices ppear to be as follows:

Continuum S2: $9500.00
Continuum S2 with phono card: $9850.00
Continuum S2 with DAC card: $9950.00


Saluti, GUido

NorthStar
April 18, 2014, 08:11 PM
I am. I just love it.

...And the love we had is all we have.

socfan12
April 18, 2014, 08:45 PM
Thanks, Guido!

cmalak
April 18, 2014, 10:59 PM
Mike...when will you be receiving the S2 for demo? Are you demoing any other JRDG equipment or just the S2? Thx

Mike
April 18, 2014, 11:30 PM
Mike...when will you be receiving the S2 for demo? Are you demoing any other JRDG equipment or just the S2? Thx

Cyril, it arrives Monday. Just the S2. I really want a integrated for downstairs. Stereo/preamp at most. Monos on the floor with the kids around isn't ideal. The footprint of the S2 is ideal. Spec wise it looks really good too. Ballsy power and very quick (high damping factor). Downside is the 1000 hour break in. The one I'm demoing has the phonostage. I didn't want the DAC anyway since the Lumin is my main source.


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Raidho
April 19, 2014, 12:55 AM
I find that the DAC in the S-2 is not only good.. It is a fantastic DAC for that kind of money.. And it could happen that it is far better than a lot of external and build in DAC's out there.. That is Michaels and mine experience.. Try it out :)

Rufus McDufus
April 19, 2014, 04:57 AM
High praise - I will have to try it! Pity a phono stage can't be fitted alongside the DAC, but streaming takes precedence for me. At the prices quoted it makes sense to get both DAC and phono stage just in case.

kiwi_1282001
April 19, 2014, 05:05 AM
I find that the DAC in the S-2 is not only good.. It is a fantastic DAC for that kind of money.. And it could happen that it is far better than a lot of external and build in DAC's out there.. That is Michaels and mine experience.. Try it out :)

Thanks for the input Lars. When using the DAC what transport are you typically using?

Perfect Sense
April 19, 2014, 05:49 AM
I find that the DAC in the S-2 is not only good.. It is a fantastic DAC for that kind of money.. And it could happen that it is far better than a lot of external and build in DAC's out there.. That is Michaels and mine experience.. Try it out :)

I agree. The Capri preamp with DAC/Phono option is the alternative if you want to go separate. Capri + 525 stereoamp is actually less expensive than the S2.

Rufus McDufus
April 19, 2014, 07:21 AM
Interesting Hyperion. That raises the question of what's best - the Capri S2 & 525 or Continuum S2. The Continuum looks to have the power advantage, plus you don't have to buy interconnects, and it's a one box solution which is very attractive.

the professor
April 19, 2014, 09:21 AM
I'd be very interested in the comparison to the separates also. The S2 works great w Raidho's. I've only got about 250 hrs on mine.

I got the phono board in mine.

Mike
April 19, 2014, 09:25 AM
Guys, you can buy both cards and swap them out as system needs change. I think the DAC is $400-500 and the phono card about $350. It's not a 2 second job, but it can be accomplished with a little effort.

And keep in mind that Roy Gregory was also smitten with the phonostage too.


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the professor
April 19, 2014, 09:30 AM
Oh and be sure to set the jumpers so that the display goes dark after 10 seconds or so. Roy Gregory is right - it does sound better with the display turned off.

Mike
April 19, 2014, 09:40 AM
Thanks Jock. I read that too. Nice feature.


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Perfect Sense
April 19, 2014, 09:52 AM
Interesting Hyperion. That raises the question of what's best - the Capri S2 & 525 or Continuum S2. The Continuum looks to have the power advantage, plus you don't have to buy interconnects, and it's a one box solution which is very attractive.

I haven't compared these options side by side. In the end it might be a choice inbetween convenience and flexiblity as I would expect the performance to be close.

GuidoCorona
April 19, 2014, 02:11 PM
All, the admittedly conservative 1K break-in estimate comes at least in part from me. It is based on a 3-day long exposure to Continuum S2, and is therefore somewhat conjectural and extrapolative in nature.

My general experience with break-in, including that for class D amps, is that many devices continue to develop and sweeten for the first thousand hours or so, with the first few hundred hours being potentially painful to bear. Amusingly enough, some of the newer class D amps like my Rowland M925s make easily enjoyable music within hours of "first sound"... They deliver islands of progressively higher sonic refinement quite early in the game, interspersed with correspondingly shorter and shallower performance dips. The bulk of non linear break-in seems to abate by about 700 hours, after which progress assumes asymptotic behavior. At the 1K hours boundary I thought that the highly involving sound was the product of complete breakin, but evolution actually continued very slowly until M925 grazed the 1800 hours mark.

When I listened to CS2 at RMAF 2013, I observed that its sound was opening up rapidly over the 3 days of the show, and was quite enchanting by the 3rd day. However, based on past experience, I ventured to suspect that the integrated in the Rowland suite, being relatively new off the factory floor, may still have been delivering a performance which may have not told the entire story about its full capabilities... Hence my conservative break-in conjecture for Continuum S2.

Regards, G.

Guido

the professor
April 19, 2014, 04:00 PM
Hey Mike,

Next time you are talking to Rowland, complain for me about the amazingly bad/cheap remote that comes w the S2.

Hey it's a lower level product so I understand cutting costs, especially in a non-performance way, but when I asked my dealer about buying a nice remote that I assume comes their top of the line preamp, he said I couldn't buy it. Weird!

GuidoCorona
April 19, 2014, 04:15 PM
Jock, I suspect that there may be a matter of compatibility of the IR codes used by the Continuum S2 remote with the Corus remote, more than n issue of lack of availability of the Corus remote itself. You might be able to source a 3rd party programmable IR remote, and configure it to function as CS2 remote. I can inquire with the factory.

Guido

the professor
April 19, 2014, 04:31 PM
That's what I initially assumed but my dealer corrected me and they just weren't available. Something is very weird ----- obviously not a big deal or I would have called Rowland directly.

My dealer isn't what you would call - good.

GuidoCorona
April 19, 2014, 04:47 PM
Hi Jock, I will find out from the factory if Continuum S2 remote alternatives might exist.

veindoc
April 19, 2014, 05:48 PM
9500 for integrated amp??? I think their margins can afford a nice multifunction remote with a nice case. To me this is an embarrassment to say a nice remote only comes with their top of the line preamps. IMHO
Nick

the professor
April 19, 2014, 07:10 PM
Hi Jock, I will find out from the factory if Continuum S2 remote alternatives might exist.

Cool

Thanks

the professor
April 19, 2014, 07:12 PM
9500 for integrated amp??? I think their margins can afford a nice multifunction remote with a nice case. To me this is an embarrassment to say a nice remote only comes with their top of the line preamps. IMHO
Nick

I might be just spoiled and maybe the remote isn't as bad as I think. Let's see what mike thinks when he gets his tomorrow.

MDP
April 19, 2014, 08:39 PM
With an amp that costs this much, I found it to be a joke !

NorthStar
April 19, 2014, 08:53 PM
It must be a high-end integrated amp. I think Joe is on the right path; Job 225.

socfan12
April 19, 2014, 09:13 PM
Can someone post a pic of one?

I had the Synergy pre from Rowland and I wasn't crazy about the remote either. It was a nice plastic remote, but still plastic. I thought for a Rowland product they would give a nice aluminum remote. Just wondering if they changed the design over the years or not.

bk12
April 19, 2014, 09:28 PM
I was very unimpressed with the remote upon receipt of the unit...functional, but is not up to par with the rest of the piece. That being said, after using mine daily for the last number of months, I can say that I haven't thought about replacing the remote because I get instantly lost in the music. From a functional perspective, and improvement over the previous integrated unit remotes (more functions available).

From what I gathered when providing feedback on mine, I think the factory has been flooded with comments criticizing the remote, and I don't think they are going to change it. Again, after many months of ownership, I am ok with that!

GuidoCorona
April 19, 2014, 09:45 PM
All, I have discussed with the factory the CS2 remote concerns. I am happy to report that Rowland is working in earnest towards a universal solution which is expected to prove "both highly attractive and functional"

While there are no details yet, I will keep you posted as soon as further information becomes available... Please stay tuned to this thread.

kiwi_1282001
April 19, 2014, 09:54 PM
Can someone post a pic of one?

I had the Synergy pre from Rowland and I wasn't crazy about the remote either. It was a nice plastic remote, but still plastic. I thought for a Rowland product they would give a nice aluminum remote. Just wondering if they changed the design over the years or not.


Not 100% sure about this (I gave more attention to the sound than the remote controller) but believe the S2 comes with a plastic fantastic remote - whereas the previous version (C-500) had a more "upmarket" aluminium remote.




http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/JR/C500remote_zpscfdac7ac.jpg
Photo 1: The C-500 previous remote. Beautiful.






http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/JR/S2Remote_zps7e00a449.jpg
Photo 2: The latest S2 remote? Looks ugly but offers more features?



Guido, will the C-500 remote control the new S2?

bk12
April 19, 2014, 10:02 PM
No, old remote doesn't control it...I tried.

GuidoCorona
April 19, 2014, 10:21 PM
No, old C500 remote is not compatible with CS2, and does not support CS2 funtion set. Furhtermore, if I remember correctly, the old remote may be a couple of decades old, and parts can no longer be sourced.

Guido

socfan12
April 22, 2014, 08:33 PM
Not 100% sure about this (I gave more attention to the sound than the remote controller) but believe the S2 comes with a plastic fantastic remote - whereas the previous version (C-500) had a more "upmarket" aluminium remote.




http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/JR/C500remote_zpscfdac7ac.jpg
Photo 1: The C-500 previous remote. Beautiful.






http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af12/notrace_photo/JR/S2Remote_zps7e00a449.jpg
Photo 2: The latest S2 remote? Looks ugly but offers more features?



Guido, will the C-500 remote control the new S2?


The C-500 is the remote I had with my Synergy. It was a nice remote, but it is plastic. I thought it would be a nice aluminum one, too, but it's plastic, albeit a very high grade one.

johndoe21ro
October 28, 2014, 06:16 PM
Hi guys. This is my first post here. I enjoyed reading all your opinions about JR gear. BTW, the old remote, although definitely a looker compared to the new one was made of ebonite and tended to break pretty easily (if dropped, of course). I would like to upgrade my Jeff Rowland Concerto Integrated Amp and the PC-1 Power Factor Correction and I was seriously thinking about the new Model 525 (guess I can't put up with the dry sound anymore). I need only a power amp as my exaSound e20Mk III DAC can act as an excellent Pre as well. Now my question is this: Is the new Continuum S2 a Model 525 Power + a Capri S2 Pre? (except for the higher 'horsepower' of course....). Or to put it this way: does the power section in the S2 sound close to the Model 525 (again, except for the wattage difference). I've read a lot of good reviews about the S2 but I can't find any review of the Model 525 and I can't listen to it either. My dealer (the only one in my country) has only the big boys to show off unfortunately and I'm hurrying a little with my purchase...

BTW, I don't think the Concerto Integrated sounds that bad, especially with the PFC in aid. I find it extremely fast (more so with the Raidho's), very dynamic and pretty transparent. I can't say that from a tonal and timbral perspective you can't do better, but hey... it's damn fast, transparent and resolute. It's all about compromises especially at this price point. The Concerto's biggest problem is, I guess, the fact that the Pre section gets juice from the same ICE power modules. So I should say that the Concerto is an amazing power amp, more so if you can patch its defects with the rest of the gear and cables. My 2 cents. :)

Jeffp13
February 15, 2015, 10:03 PM
I'm late to the party here, but I wanted to chime in and say that I'm really loving my Continuum S2. I'm using it with Harbeth Monitor 30.1s and my system has never sounded better. It has fantastic clarity and sound staging, and it's fatigue-free. It's my favorite amplifier so far, and I've been fortunate enough to have owned some nice gear over the years. Highly recommended!

joeinid
February 15, 2015, 11:14 PM
Welcome to the forum Jeff! Thank you for joining.

I had 30.1's and loved them so much, I had to go for 40.1's. Great speakers, both of them. I am sure the Rowland on them is outstanding.

Jeffp13
March 18, 2015, 09:01 AM
For those interested, the Continuum S2 just received a rave review from Alan Sircom at Absolute sound. Here's the link:

Jeff Rowland Design Group Continuum S2 integrated amplifier | The Absolute Sound (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/jeff-rowland-design-group-continuum-s2-integrated-amplifier/)

I absolutely love the sound of mine, and I'm officially off the upgrade merry-go-round. I never expected to like a class D amplifier, but I'm 100% sold. I just wish I was as thrilled with the looks as I am with the sound. I prefer an understated look, and Rowland gear most definitely is not understated.

Mike
March 18, 2015, 09:06 AM
For those interested, the Continuum S2 just received a rave review from Alan Sircom at Absolute sound. Here's the link:

Jeff Rowland Design Group Continuum S2 integrated amplifier | The Absolute Sound (http://www.theabsolutesound.com/articles/jeff-rowland-design-group-continuum-s2-integrated-amplifier/)

I absolutely love the sound of mine, and I'm officially off the upgrade merry-go-round. I never expected to like a class D amplifier, but I'm 100% sold. I just wish I was as thrilled with the looks as I am with the sound. I prefer an understated look, and Rowland gear most definitely is not understated.

Congrats Jeff and welcome to Audioshark.

I had a S2 in my system for several months and really enjoyed it. I now understand why Raidho demo's a lot with the product.

Dizzie
March 18, 2015, 03:38 PM
What power modules are used?

GuidoCorona
March 19, 2015, 10:24 AM
Hi Dizzie, Continuum S2 is based on Pascal M2--Pro modules.

Guido

Dizzie
March 19, 2015, 10:38 AM
Guido,

Thank you. I knew I had seen the modules mentioned somewhere but I could not remember the name or find the reference.

KeithR
March 19, 2015, 11:39 AM
I'd be curious how these compare to the Concentras back in the day. anyone?

Dizzie
March 31, 2015, 01:55 PM
Anyone compare the Continuum S2 to any Devialet?

Rufus McDufus
March 31, 2015, 02:02 PM
I have, though not in a very thorough fashion. I have a Devialet 200 and borrowed an S2. The problem was I had to borrow some speaker cables with spades and the only ones I could borrow (cheaper Transparents) were sound-wise almost the diametric opposite of what I have, and rather unsuited to my Raidhos. The result was the S2 sounded rather muddy. The Devialet is quite bright and transparent, the S2 dark. I was using the built-in DAC on the S2 which I don't think was nearly as good the Devialet DAC either.

the professor
March 31, 2015, 02:06 PM
I have owned both the S2 and the D800 and I would have to say that the Devialet was quite a bit better than the S2. Tighter bass, smoother mids and better soundstage focus and size. But then again the D800 is 3X more money. I suspect that the D200 would also be better but that is total guessing on my part.

Perfect Sense
March 31, 2015, 02:44 PM
It's hard to compare the Devialet models to the Jeff Rowland Continuum S2 as the Devialet is meant to be used as a complete system. What I can tell you though is that the Jeff Rowland Aeris (DAC) + Continuum S2 (integrated amp) is in another league compared to the D200, as they should. A more fair comparison would perhaps be the D800.

Jeff Rowland will give you a more organic, fluid, dense and slightly darker presentation to the highly detailed and very neutral Devialet.

bluegrassphile
October 24, 2019, 07:05 PM
Is there a good reason manufacturers and /or writers don't list power ratings? I'll never understand why they don't. Same with prices of components.

Shadowfax
October 24, 2019, 08:54 PM
Is there a good reason manufacturers and /or writers don't list power ratings? I'll never understand why they don't. Same with prices of components.

Most have power ratings

"Continuum S2 integrates the new Capri S2 preamplification circuit, input/output, and control features with an innovative 400 watt power amplification stage into a single chassis."

and every Devalialet on this page has them
https://www.devialet.com/en-us/expert-pro-audio-system/

But I agree it would be helpful to have at least the list price. I'd be happy with a Ballpark like houses, Starting in the low $10K range

I'll say it again, Jeff Rowland has had the most recognizable long term Precision Machined look and it's still gorgeous to look at as it was 30 or more years ago.

GuidoCorona
March 21, 2020, 03:36 PM
All, this is not about the lovely Continuum S2... It's instead a teaser about Daemon, Rowland's superintegrated flagship, for which I have been busy scribbling listening notes for the last three weeks.

Fact is that I have been wondering for some
time if my audio nirvana could ever be uber-nirvanized, as the technology of audio reproduction has continued to evolve. So, when Rowland released its
statement integrated amplifier in the form of Daemon, I became curious. Could an integrated equal, or at least get close to my Aeris + PSU + M925 trio?
I was long hoping to evaluate the Rowland Daemon 1500W Superintegrated amp. Could a class D integrated fulfill my yearning for sonic bliss, or would Daemon leave me pining for the wonderful music of my separates: Rowland Aeris DAC fed by the ultra-capacitor-based PSU external power supply, driving my beloved M925 monoblocks? Eventually, a Daemon review unit was delivered on February 28th. I Started break-in the following day, and have been scribbling my listening notes since… The writing project will continue for at least a few months, until the device has stabilized, and I have exercised several of its many input and output features. I have been waiting for a long time for this 99Lbs single box critter. It is Jeff Rowland’s integrated statement. The DAC + Preamp + 1500W/8 (2500W/4) dual-mono power amp in a single chassis measuring 17.5” x 15.25” x 9.5” has been sounding extremely musical since the beginning, truly great since it crossed the 150 hours break-in mark, and just about astonishing at 500 hours… And this is just half-way into the break-in process. hundred hours of break-in.

Discovering the phenomenal musical beauty that Daemon produces is being a fascinating experience… Already I am stunned by Daemon's power reserve and unreal tonal grace. Join me to chat about my adventure with this integrated flagship around its AudioShark watering-hole:

https://www.audioshark.org/showthread.php?t=18051&p=297453#post297453

And, feel free to PM me with any questions about it.

Saluti, Guido


Hello All, I was long hoping to evaluate the Rowland Daemon 1500W Superintegrated amp. Could a class D integrated fulfill my yearning for sonic nirvana, or would Daemon leave me pining for the wonderful music of my separates: Rowland Aeris DAC fed by the ultra-capacitor-based PSU external power supply, driving my beloved M925 monoblocks? Eventually, a Daemon review unit was delivered on February 28th. I Started break-in the following day, and have been scribbling my listening notes since… The writing project will continue for at least a few months, until the device has stabilized, and I have exercised several of its many input and output features. I have been waiting for a long time for this 99Lbs single box critter. It is Jeff Rowland’s integrated statement. The DAC + Preamp + 1500W/8 (2500W/4) dual-mono power amp in a single chassis measuring 17.5” x 15.25” x 9.5” is sounding amazing after just a little more than a couple hundred hours of break-in.

Discovering the phenomenal musical beauty that Daemon produces is being a fascinating experience… Already I am stunned by Daemon's power reserve and unreal tonal grace. Join me to chat about my adventure with this integrated flagship around its new Audiogon watering-hole:

https://forum.audiogon.com/discussions/jeff-rowland-daemon-reviewing-the-jrdg-superintegrated-flagsh...

And, feel free to PM me with any questions about it.

Saluti, Guido

4N6
January 27, 2021, 11:47 AM
A new review of the Continuum S2 on Part Time Audiophile...

Jeff Rowland Design Group Continuum S2 Integrated Amplifier | REVIEW | Part-Time Audiophile (https://parttimeaudiophile.com/2021/01/22/jeff-rowland-design-group-continuum-s2-integrated-amplifier-review/)

XV-1
January 28, 2021, 06:54 AM
Shane...not sure what you're referring to here?


Hi Cyril

Continuum Audio Labs Caliburn turntable released in 2006 and Fremer's reference turntable. Surely there must be other names Rowland could have called their integrated amp.

https://www.soundandvision.com/images/caliburn-opener.jpg