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    Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Hello everyone, I have a question, I currently have the integrated Accuphase E370 (2 years ago) and I would like to update my amplifier. I like the sound of Accuphase so I want to continue with this brand. But my big question is to go for the E650 or E480 (I have no chance to hear them) I ask the foreros who know these 2 models to give me their opinions please. I usually listen to jazz. Thank you very much.

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    All comes down to your speakers

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    All comes down to your speakers

    Thanks for answering, I currently have the Proac Response D18, in 2019 new speakers will surely come, but it is another topic that I have to analyze well later.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    If you can afford it, go with the e650 (or the new e800(?)) to avoid an upgrade in the future. Itís just money after all!


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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Hounddog View Post
    If you can afford it, go with the e650 (or the new e800(?)) to avoid an upgrade in the future. It’s just money after all!


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    Thank you for your comment, I would love to have the E800, but it is more expensive, and at this moment it is almost impossible.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    I currently have the E-650. Prior to that I had the E-470. They are both very good amps. If 30 wpc is sufficient for your needs, get the E-650. If not, the E-480 is very, very good.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Oly View Post
    I currently have the E-650. Prior to that I had the E-470. They are both very good amps. If 30 wpc is sufficient for your needs, get the E-650. If not, the E-480 is very, very good.
    Thanks Oly.

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    Again, power is not the primary determining factor in selecting one or the other. They sound distinctly different. Anyone who says "if 30 watts are enough then go Class A" either has no experience or is simply giving bad advice. Both Integrated's are engineered and built phenomenally well, but they do not sound the same. As an example for reference, I have owned the Canterbury GR... and powered them with Devialet, Bryston and Sugden (A). I would agree that Class A sounded the best/most natural there... but it was a boring sound for me.

    I owned the Proac K6 for a very short period of time so I dont feel comfortable advising which one would work better with Proacs.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Again, power is not the primary determining factor in selecting one or the other. They sound distinctly different. Anyone who says "if 30 watts are enough then go Class A" either has no experience or is simply giving bad advice. Both Integrated's are engineered and built phenomenally well, but they do not sound the same. As an example for reference, I have owned the Canterbury GR... and powered them with Devialet, Bryston and Sugden (A). I would agree that Class A sounded the best/most natural there... but it was a boring sound for me.

    I owned the Proac K6 for a very short period of time so I dont feel comfortable advising which one would work better with Proacs.
    Hello dznutz, I am very grateful for your comment, it is not certain, but I think that in 2020 I will change all my equipment, I want a change. Very soon I tell you the news. Thank you once again, to the users for their messages.

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    I might depend of the efficiency of your speakers and how loud you listen etc but the E-650 is in different league (better) than the E-480.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by GreginNH View Post
    I might depend of the efficiency of your speakers and how loud you listen etc but the E-650 is in different league (better) than the E-480.
    Disagreed. It is literally impossible to listen to a component on its own, we are always listening to a system as a whole. From what I recall, the E650 has a better pre-amp section, does that necessarily translate to better sound... NO. I had the e650 and the E480 in my home. With Dynaudio Contour 60's the E480 sounded much better. Perhaps, if at that time, I had some more revealing and unforgiving speakers then I would have sided with the 650. All Im saying here is that the sonic presentation of Class A and Class A/B cannot be compared and judged as easily as some people think.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Andik777 View Post
    I think that in 2020 I will change all my equipment, I want a change. Very soon I tell you the news.
    If it were me, I would do the speakers before (hopefully auditioning and) deciding on an integrated.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by GreginNH View Post
    I might depend of the efficiency of your speakers and how loud you listen etc but the E-650 is in different league (better) than the E-480.
    Hi GreginNH, thank you very much for your opinion, I will keep it in mind.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    Disagreed. It is literally impossible to listen to a component on its own, we are always listening to a system as a whole. From what I recall, the E650 has a better pre-amp section, does that necessarily translate to better sound... NO. I had the e650 and the E480 in my home. With Dynaudio Contour 60's the E480 sounded much better. Perhaps, if at that time, I had some more revealing and unforgiving speakers then I would have sided with the 650. All Im saying here is that the sonic presentation of Class A and Class A/B cannot be compared and judged as easily as some people think.
    Thank you I understand your point of view perfectly

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by GSOphile View Post
    If it were me, I would do the speakers before (hopefully auditioning and) deciding on an integrated.
    Thanks GSOphile, you are absolutely right, I have in my mind the Harbeth and Tannoy, these days I will go listen to them

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Andik777 View Post
    Hello everyone, I have a question, I currently have the integrated Accuphase E370 (2 years ago) and I would like to update my amplifier. I like the sound of Accuphase so I want to continue with this brand. But my big question is to go for the E650 or E480 (I have no chance to hear them) I ask the foreros who know these 2 models to give me their opinions please. I usually listen to jazz. Thank you very much.
    Im currently considering this myself. The dealer has offered to exhange my e370 with dac50 card for a brand new e650 with dac60 if I add about 4000. I have 99db effecient speakers, so 30 w should be fine. What did you end up doing?

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Lieberung View Post
    Im currently considering this myself. The dealer has offered to exhange my e370 with dac50 card for a brand new e650 with dac60 if I add about 4000. I have 99db effecient speakers, so 30 w should be fine. What did you end up doing?
    Hi, sadly I didn't, I sold my Accuphase E370 and bought myself a tube amp. But I am sure that one day I will buy the E650 or E800.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Hi, currently I own E260 and E370 driving two separate systems in my space limited home. And plan to replace one of them with class A amp. Since I want to stick to Accuphase, I am considering 2nd hand A36 amp to get coupled to Pre-out of my E260. Or spend more and get E650 or even E800 instead selling one of the two I currently have. My Jamo and Thiel speakers are low impedance (max 4ohm) so I hope to squeeze more sound out of class A push pull configuration Accuphase offers among these three A36, E650, E800. What would you choose if you were in my position with my setup? Cheers.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Suavek View Post
    Hi, currently I own E260 and E370 driving two separate systems in my space limited home. And plan to replace one of them with class A amp. Since I want to stick to Accuphase, I am considering 2nd hand A36 amp to get coupled to Pre-out of my E260. Or spend more and get E650 or even E800 instead selling one of the two I currently have. My Jamo and Thiel speakers are low impedance (max 4ohm) so I hope to squeeze more sound out of class A push pull configuration Accuphase offers among these three A36, E650, E800. What would you choose if you were in my position with my setup? Cheers.
    Why two separate systems? I have the e370 and it works wonderful with my Klipsch Heresy IVs. I consider upgrading to e650 myself and I think that would work nicely since the speakers are so easy to drive. As I understand the pre section of the integrated gets better as you get higher up in the series, so I would try to sell both and get hold of a second hand e650 or e800, or check if a accuphase dealer is willing to take your amps in exchange. The e650 and e800 is considered class A and probably gets warmer than the amps you have today.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Lieberung View Post
    Why two separate systems? I have the e370 and it works wonderful with my Klipsch Heresy IVs. I consider upgrading to e650 myself and I think that would work nicely since the speakers are so easy to drive. As I understand the pre section of the integrated gets better as you get higher up in the series, so I would try to sell both and get hold of a second hand e650 or e800, or check if a accuphase dealer is willing to take your amps in exchange. The e650 and e800 is considered class A and probably gets warmer than the amps you have today.
    Well maybe because I want to have two systems, or even three or four. If that's an obstacles for you then your problem. Cheers.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by Suavek View Post
    Well maybe because I want to have two systems, or even three or four. If that's an obstacles for you then your problem. Cheers.
    Obstacle for me? No, thats cool, I was just curious, I meant no offence.
    How do you think the e260 and e370 compare to each other?

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    After selling my E370, I really miss the Accuphase sound. I hope one day to have an Accuphase E480 or E650 amplifier again.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    I can comment on the 308, 470, 480 and 800 from an actual personal viewpoint. Owning a 308 and an 800. And my neighbour have had both 470 and 480 on home audition after I bought his 308.

    Starting with my neighbours old 308(now mine). A very clean sounding amp. Albeit kinda thin on the lower end with my EBEN/ADYTON X3 cabs.

    My 800 fills that gap perfectly fine as of now. Same cabs with nothing else changed gives me more bass response. And more warmth.

    470 vs 480 is so minute a difference in my book that it is not an upgrade I would recommend. The 180 Watt pair were listened to on Focal 936 cabs with a DP-65 as source.

    308 vs 470/480 More of everything. More power, better bass response. I could go on.

    For OP.
    If you're more of a Jazzman than a Metalhead like me you may be better of going for a 650 or 800. I've made my 800 work with my music. I realize a 480 might have been a more suitable choice for me personally. But I was already considering a 650 instead of a 480 I had originally ordered. I got told that if I wanted the 650 I'd have to wait till October, this was in May. But if I picked the 800 there was one available for me. So 800 it was. And I don't regret it at all.
    It's a chonky boi, even compared to a 480.
    If you can afford the step up to an 800, do it. If a 650 is all you can afford, still worth going for. If a 480 is the ceiling budgetwise you will still get one the best integrateds on the market today.
    No matter which amp you land on there are three strong contenders. But I would still say the 650 or 800 will be better suited to your chosen music genre.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Thanks for the answer, I am a jazz musician, between E650 and E480 there is not much difference in price, the E800 is much more expensive in Argentina.
    There is an Accuphase distributor in Argentina, when I have the money I will listen to the 2 amplifiers, and I will make the decision.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Go for Accuphase E480 integrated amplifier.

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Andikk777 , do you have the Lumin X1 ?? if you do , do you need the pre-amp section from an integrated ??
    I ask you as i have Accuphase E-470 and with Lumin X1 i tried to just use the amp section of the Accuphase and let Lumin be the pre-amp and its a noticeable difference , i am not going back.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Does anyone know if it's possible to turn off the power amp section in the 480/650 if you want to use them as a preamp only? Running the 650 as a preamp would be expensive and hot if its Class A amp was powered on simultaneously.

    I already have the ultra high-end Pioneer M4 Class A amp, and want to build a pass design VFET power amp, so I'm looking at the 480 as a real option for acting as a control amp with a great, efficient A/B stage for when I don't want to run the space heaters.

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    Welcome to the forum.

    Sorry, as far as I know (having owned the 650 and loved it) thereís no way to turn off the amp section.

    As much as I love the idea of being able to use the separate sections of most integrateds, it never really makes sense to me, especially for that reason of leaving the class A amp section on.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Thank you! Yeah, that's why I'm heavily considering the 480 (especially if I can find one used). It sounds like the pre-amp section of the 480 is awesome, and shouldn't draw a whole lot of power while I'm using it to drive a Class A separate.

    Btw, how often does Accuphase refresh their integrateds? Seems the E480 has been around for about 3 years now?

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    Great question. I donít know of any set schedule but the E-800 has already superseded the E-650. I think the E-480 is due.
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    As far as i know ( i have Accuphase E-470 ) you can turn of the pre-amp of and only use the amp section of the Accuphase , not the other way around. And Having Lumin X1 with its Leedh processing i have to say it is way better than the Accuphase pre-amp section in the E-470 so for now i only use the amp section of the Accuphase.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Btw, I see you have some experience with Luxman...

    I'm curious how the L-509X would compare to the E-480...

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    Quote Originally Posted by st1n View Post
    Btw, I see you have some experience with Luxman...

    I'm curious how the L-509X would compare to the E-480...
    Iím not familiar enough with the AB accuphase gear but my Luxman (especially the 595a) gear is stunning. Iím absolutely happy with my current gear.
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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    Andikk777 , do you have the Lumin X1 ?? if you do , do you need the pre-amp section from an integrated ??
    I ask you as i have Accuphase E-470 and with Lumin X1 i tried to just use the amp section of the Accuphase and let Lumin be the pre-amp and its a noticeable difference , i am not going back.
    Yes, I have the X1, but at the moment I have a tube amp (Cayin CS88A) I miss the sound of my Accuphase a lot. When I have the Accuphase I'm going to test the X1 as a preamp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDPDK View Post
    As far as i know ( i have Accuphase E-470 ) you can turn of the pre-amp of and only use the amp section of the Accuphase , not the other way around. And Having Lumin X1 with its Leedh processing i have to say it is way better than the Accuphase pre-amp section in the E-470 so for now i only use the amp section of the Accuphase.
    Interesting. I would've assumed Accuphase's analog sections would be more competent. I'd be curious to hear how it compares using the X1 at fixed volume as a DAC only, into the BAL of the 470?

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    Re: Accuphase E480 vs E650

    st1n , as far as i know you can't use Lumin X1 as a standalone DAC the Lumin X1 is a streamer with a build in DAC and in addition you get the possibility to use the Leedh processing as a pre-amp. And from what i have been reading in reviews it is highly competent. From my understanding to have a better pre-amp than the Leedh processing in Lumin X1 you need to cash out a serious amount of money. If someone here have tried that i hope they might chime in.
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