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February 16, 2019, 12:32 PM #1
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Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I passed on the Wilson Sasha 2 and the new DAW because Wilson uses paper and doped silk for drivers and the tweeter.
Paper is not durable. Paper flexes and deforms.
Other high end speaker makers are using modern far superior cone materials. Wilson is building speakers like biplanes were built with paper, wood and dope in the 1915. At Wilson's price point, they are responsible to deliver far more appropriate technology.
Sasha DAW Drivers
- Woofer:8 inches (20.32 cm)
- Material: Paper Cone
- Tweeter: 1 inch, Dome (2.54 cm)
- Material: Doped Silk Fabric
- Midrange: 5 3/4 inches (14.61 cm)
- Material: Paper Pulp
- Frequency Response: 31 Hz – 21 kHz: +/- 3 dB, RAR (Room Average Response)
- Nominal Impedance: 4 ohms / 2.53 ohms minimum @ 139 Hz
- Sensitivity: 87 dB @ 1W @ 1m @ 1 kHz
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February 16, 2019, 12:59 PM #2
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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February 16, 2019, 01:04 PM #3
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Skytop - Curious which speakers you ended up buying
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February 16, 2019, 05:13 PM #4mauidanGuest
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Sasha DAW Technical Specs from https://www.wilsonaudio.com/products/sasha-daw
Drivers:
Woofers:Two – 8 inch (20.32 cm)
Midrange:One – 7 inch (17.78 cm)
Tweeter:One – 1 inch, Dome (2.54 cm)
Measurements
Sensitivity:91 dB (one watt at one meter at 1kHz)
Nominal Impedance:4 ohms / minimum 2.48 ohms @ 85 Hz
Minimum Amplifier Power:25 watts per channel
Frequency Response:20 Hz –30 kHz +/- 3 dB
room average response [RAR]
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February 16, 2019, 06:32 PM #5
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February 16, 2019, 06:50 PM #6
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Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
One can say that using Paper cone drivers would be the equivalent putting economy tires on a formula 1 car?
Just saying but, as others have mentioned probably more to the sound than just the drivers but since you brought it up : -0
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February 16, 2019, 08:12 PM #7
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 16, 2019, 09:18 PM #8
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Oh boy, very little value add on this thread. The original poster just wanted to make some noise. Suggest this thread should be closed.
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February 16, 2019, 09:20 PM #9
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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February 16, 2019, 09:23 PM #10
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 16, 2019, 09:27 PM #11
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February 16, 2019, 09:31 PM #12
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I’d like to hear from the OP.
I’m fine with Wilson, just not crazy about the inverted dome tweeters.Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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February 16, 2019, 09:35 PM #13
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Source: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 16, 2019, 09:36 PM #14
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
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Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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February 16, 2019, 11:42 PM #15
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February 16, 2019, 11:50 PM #16
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February 17, 2019, 12:08 AM #17
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I’m hoping the OP comes back with some clarification or other thoughts.
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February 17, 2019, 12:54 AM #18
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
+1
May be there is more to the story than just a rant?
In an age when Magico is employing graphene midrange and bass driver designs with Diamond coated Beryllium diaphragm tweeters and others like Raidho and Borresen are also using particle accelerators to bombard diamond / carbon onto speaker cones in an attempt to stiffen them without gaining weight and thus reduce break up resonances - Wilson's paper pulp does look dated from a modern technological perspective. Is that the point he is trying to make? Hopefully he comes back with clarification.Borresen Acoustics Loudspeakers, Borresen Model 01 Compact monitor loudspeakers with Ansuz Darkz T2s Supreme resonance control, Audio Video Manufaktur GmbH (AVM) Inspiration amplifier & streamer, Innuos Zen MKII music server, Ansuz Acoustics cables & accessories. Please visit my system thread hosted on Audioshark for more details. Disclosure: The author is materially connected to Ansuz, Aavik & Borresen Acoustics via friendship with an owner.
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February 17, 2019, 01:09 AM #19
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
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February 17, 2019, 03:54 AM #20
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
tube amps and turntables are also dated from a technology perspective. As you well know, both technologies can sound up there with the best you can listen to.
Personally I think Wilson should ditch the soft dome tweeter and move onto a Beryllium, Diamond type tweeter as I find the dome tweeter so damn boring whenever I listen to the new Wilson's.
The guy is troll, plain and simple - he was online when people were asking for him to clarify. he may come back and say Magico is sterile and artificial soundingSource: Technics SP10mk3 - Thales Simplicity II, TW Raven AC-3 - Graham Phantom, SME 3012-R, Exclusive P3,,Linn LP12 - Naim ARO
Cartridges: Lyra Atlas Lambda SL, Lyra Etna SL, Lyra Delos, Dynavector XV-1s,Technics EPC100mk4, Ortofon A90, GM Royal, GM Classic, Denon ESC'd 103R, DL-S1, Audio Technica AT25, OC9II, Linn ESC'd Troika
Phono Stage: Phasemation EA-1200, Accuphase C-37,TW Acustik phono
EQ: DEQX HDP-4
Preamp: D'Agostino HD, conrad johnson GAT,
Amps: conrad johnson teflon premier 8a's, D'Agostino Momentum S250
Speakers: Wilson Maxx3
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February 17, 2019, 06:34 AM #21
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Yeah, why would anyone paint in oil nowadays when you can design on a computer and just print it out .
Any materials used are not a guarantor for a good LS. Ability to design high quality audio products is. Example: both Magico and B&W use diamond coating in their tweeters. Nevertheless, the products are not equal.
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February 17, 2019, 07:30 AM #22
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Yep... time to close this one. No value to anyone here.
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February 17, 2019, 09:31 AM #23
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
On the contrary, I think the original post raises an interesting question, can loudspeakers using older technology in their cone materials sonically compete with the latest technology cone materials? Seems like a topic worthy of discussion.
IMO, all other things being equal, I would give the advantage to the companies using the latest technology with their cone materials. However, as we know, all things are not equal and the execution can be just as important as using the latest cutting edge materials in the design.
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February 17, 2019, 09:41 AM #24
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Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
There are multiple ways to skin a cat. Do you listen to speaker material or the sounds the speakers make? (Disclosure: I own Magicos, but I like Wilsons too - a lot.)
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February 17, 2019, 09:49 AM #25
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I wasn't going to reply again but... my objection wasn't to the materials subject but really to the initial post by someone who has probably not heard and Wilson or Magico speakers, let alone owned them. And, yes, I'm a long time multiple Wilson owner. Magico makes fine, good sounding products as do others using all kinds of materials. Don't like Wilson's drivers... don't buy them.
I can't speak for Wilson, but their product development seems to focus on cabinet, time delay and crossover technology. They buy and often heavily modify speakers from companies that make a business of manufacturing them. Wilson has samples of many other speakers in the factory to sample. David, Darrell and their substantial technical and sales staffs spend time in the field at dealers hearing all the technology available and have seen no reason to change for the sake of change or for marketing benefit. That's the "way they roll" as the expression goes.
Enjoy the music...
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February 17, 2019, 10:50 AM #26
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February 17, 2019, 11:17 AM #27
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Interesting thread. I was just reading on another forum where they were trashing Poly and other types of drivers because there are still 70 year old or more paper driver speakers working. So in that thread, they were seeking out paper cones as opposed to other more modern types.
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February 17, 2019, 11:32 AM #28
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Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I must confess that i´m a fan of paper cones. In some way i find other materials are not so accurate when it comes to the timbre of the instruments, especially the human voice.
But there are exceptions. I have no doubts that i could happy live with Marten loudspeakers and their ceramic ? drivers.
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February 17, 2019, 12:52 PM #29
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Really boils down to is it better or different. I am particularly happy with what I hear, and no regrets!
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February 17, 2019, 01:45 PM #30
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Using paper drivers is perfectly fine as long as it reflects in the pricing.
Sasha DAW is only $37,900.
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February 17, 2019, 02:27 PM #31
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Fleetwood Deville by Oswald Mills Audio, Vienna Acoustics Haydn Jubilee, Wharfedale Linton w/ stands, Klipsch RB-75, Klipsch RP-160M.
Job INTegrated. Luxman L-595aSE
NAD C 658 streamer.
First Watt SIT-3, Job 250 Monos, NuForce STA200, AkitikA GT-102 amp, ASL Wave monos, Dennis Had 45 monos. Absolute Audio Labs PCF 25 amp (improved First Watt F7 super clone)
Topping D90, RME Audio ADI-2 DAC FS, ModWright Ultimate Sony XA-5400ES.
Burmester 948, McIntosh MCLK12, Kimber Kable, Siltech, Cardas, Avanti Audio cables.
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February 17, 2019, 10:24 PM #32
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Other manufacturers use “older tech” yet their sound is also fabulous e.g. Avangartde (horns and paper woofers). I’ve heard some speakers with so call “state of the art materials” that sound dreadful.
Lets move on...
And, to be fully transparent, I own Wilsons. And, I’ve own Maggies, B&W, Spendors, Revel Salons and Perdormas and a lot other brands.
At at the end of the day, it’s not about the driver material but the full implementation of the product: cabinet; drivers; crossover;...etc._______________
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February 17, 2019, 11:56 PM #33
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Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
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February 18, 2019, 12:43 AM #34
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Well , at least OP did a great job bring every one in
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February 18, 2019, 01:33 AM #35
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Bud
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February 18, 2019, 11:13 AM #36
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Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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February 18, 2019, 11:43 AM #37
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I have personally never liked the looks or sound from Thiel's Pie Tin Drivers
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February 18, 2019, 04:15 PM #38
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I wonder what the Op thinks about electrostatics ? ................. if he ever returns to the thread.
Cheers ! …. Dave
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February 18, 2019, 09:20 PM #39
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Micro Seiki SX-8000 air bearing table, SME 312s arm, SME 3012R arn, Dynavector XV-1s cartridge, Lyra Etna SL cartridge, ARC Ref 3 phono stage, Otari MX-55 2 track R2R, Ampex 350 tape repros, Roon Nucleus Plus music server, HiFi Rose 150B DAC, ARC Ref 6, ARC Ref 75 with KT-150s, Parasound JC5 amp , JBL 4345 speakers, Viero Equilibro Level 3 speaker cables, and Definitive Technology Ref subs.
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February 18, 2019, 10:44 PM #40
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
I'm surprised that more speaker manufacturers aren't using additive manufacturing techniques, irrespective of the materials used. Just seems to make sense to me.
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February 19, 2019, 11:37 AM #41
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
getting back to point, while I've listened to many a Wilson that I've enjoyed (sonically) the majority of their lineup turns me off(visually).
Cheers ! …. Dave
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February 21, 2019, 06:05 PM #42
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February 21, 2019, 06:28 PM #43
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February 21, 2019, 07:19 PM #44
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February 22, 2019, 05:08 PM #45
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Over the years Jerry I've listen to most. One example the Sophia, enjoyable to listen to but as I've said many times it reminds me of a fifties/sixties era amusement park trash can. The same more or less can be said for the WATT/Puppy - Yvette. I listened to the WP 7's being driven by The Big Rogue Apollo mono blocks, loved what I heard but eventually I had to open my eyes.
Cheers ! …. Dave
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February 22, 2019, 06:22 PM #46
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Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
loool
i am forbidden to buy wilson by my wife! we had the witt when we were young, she hated them…..later i bought the wattpuppy6, she hated them and told me to just throw them away…..we had then the handsome piegas and the world was peaceful…...i then convinced here how good these alexias were and showed here some pictures from the internet (i took a long look at every picture available from google and showed her the 2 prettiest ones)…..well in the end, lol, the alexias played less then 10minutes in my home. the dealer had to take them back right away, just because they are wilson and look like wilson and there is no other surface than wilson gloss. good luck i didnt pay them yet or bought online.
yeah damn wilson gloss, you may like that or NOT,.....however, more options woud be the ticket. very especially since they say how costy the gloss is. a cheaper option with a rough surface for example.
well, the shape of the box itself….truly oldscool uglyness sells!!
that said, i recently bought the wilson tunetots. thought my wife wouldnt even notice too much this two litte things on my officetable. well, i thought she wouldnt recognize them as wilsons, because i blacked the white wilson logo on the front. huuu, she asked what ugly shit i got on the table there instead of the logitechs. well, few days later by cleaning she went around the speakers and saw the wilson logo (on the cable terminal)….she just couldnt belive it, really nottttt) was really lost and pale and slaped my face...in a lovely way and somewhat laughing...still, wilson should think about what problems they cause worldwide for decades. NO woman likes wilson, not even one.they may accept it because they dont want to hurt the pleasure of her partner. NO man likes wilson, not even one! they just accept it because form follows function is said.
i told my wife i always can trade them in again….and they remind me of the wilson witts we had when we were Young.
i did love the witt, they were my first big speaker.
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February 22, 2019, 10:36 PM #47mauidanGuest
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
"NO woman likes wilson, not even one.they may accept it because they dont want to hurt the pleasure of her partner. NO man likes wilson, not even one! they just accept it because form follows function is said."
Gee, I wonder how they've been able to stay in business for 44 years.
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February 22, 2019, 11:34 PM #48
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February 23, 2019, 10:41 AM #49
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
Now this is an ugly speaker. Expensive, probably sounds great... but ugly:
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February 23, 2019, 10:44 AM #50
Re: Wilson driver material not acceptable for high end speakers today
And... My wife and I think my Desert Silver Wilson Yvettes really add to our already attractive living room.
To each... his own.
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