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    What happened to Vitus???

    I've owned a Vitus RI-100 and an SIA-025. I was very happy with both units. The new SIA-030 looks beautiful .Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much "press" on the new amp. If I understand correctly, Vitus was imported by Vitus directly to its' many U.S. dealers. From what I've read, they're using a distributor (in my town), and the total U.S. dealer count is FOUR!!!!??? What a shame...
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    I’ve seen some videos and coverage of the SIA - 030; very nice looking amp. We are going into the show season starting next month so let’s see if it gets more press.
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    It seems the entire brand has been forgotten....
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    It has been, it was never as amazing as it was marketed. People who actually owned them complained that the units weren't as well designed and built as they should have been. At these prices amps should not be humming or buzzing.

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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    I sure still like mine.

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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    I liked the 2 that I owned also.... It's all about the economics... The new distributor did not help. I don't think that situation will last. The company also took too long to release the SIA-030. They lost momentum... How can much happen with just 4 or 5 dealers in the entire country? Sort of like Spectral... Just my opinion. Lots of brilliant engineers that just aren't very business savvy ...
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    I agree with you. I have a SS-103 and an RS-100. I just thought trashing the entire brand (not you) was just too far over the top.

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    Hi everyone

    I see some are complaining about the way we handle things as the North American importer and distributor of Vitus Audio.

    First of all let me remind all about the timeline of SIA 30.

    Its introduced in May 2019 Munich show. The first commerically available units are shipped on the 3rd week of July 2019.

    Our first unit went for the first review of the unit to Avshowrooms and video of the review can be found at their website.

    Soon after, at the begining of September 2019 we introduced the SIA 030 at RMAF 2019. In actual fact we had 2 units in the room. 1 was playing and 1 was on static display ( in titanium orange color).

    Therefore comments about us being late in introducing the product to the US market is completely false.

    About the comments re our dealership network:

    We have started distributing VA products in March 2019. First thing as a distributor we looked at the representation of VA products in the previous dealer network we inherited. Clearly it wasnt represented in the way we wanted.. some dealer hsd a unit and never promoted the brand as it should be.. some had business practices that we did not want to be a part off.. therefore as the new distributor, we cleaned our dealership network on day one and started from scratch.

    It takes time to find good dealer who will represent the VA products as it should be.. therefore i accept your criticism for having 5 dealers at the moment. But unlike most other distributors we dont dish out dealerships and count our beans.. we turn down more dealership requests than we sign on..please call me and i will explain why..

    We do things differently.. we established a service center here in the US before we signed on new dealerships.. its crucial to be able address all the needa of the consumer before we start selling..

    Soon we will announce our new second hand certification program inline with our new warranty program.. for us the experience around VA products are more important than just selling another piece. We are different than other distributors..

    As for SIA 30 missing the boat.. hardly.. since we introduced the amp at RMAF 2019 its our best seller. Also there will more reviews coming not only for SIA 30 but a wide range of VA products.

    Did you know that, in our "new" dealership network, its a prerequisite to demo SIA 030 to become a dealer? Did you know that you can listen to SIA 030 in NYC, San Clemente ,Houston and in Las Vegas?

    We are NOT going to have 20-30 dealers in the country.. that i can assure you.. we are going to support our dealers with events.. like we did with Hans-Ole Vitus after the RMAF 2019. And we will continue to do that..we are not behind the curve.. we will never be.. but what we will never ever do is dish out dealerships just for the sake of doing it..

    VA products will be reprsented by only qualified dealers who are willing to share our passion.

    I will be at thw Florida Audio Expo in room 812.

    Please find me in my exhibit room with the SIA 030 and i will be more than happy to answer any.more questions that you might have face to face..

    If you are in LA, let me arrange a demo at your own home with my dealer..all you need to do is ask..

    My best to all forum members.

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    Welcome Ozan!
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    I had 4 or 5 Vitus pieces at home and none of them hummed. The build quality is excellent - better than most US made products. So I'm not really getting those complaints.

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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    While no single product or brand is going to please everyone Ė some of us who were awake during 2019 couldnít help but notice how fast the new Vitus SIA-030 racked up awards since its mid-year launch.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Highendbyoz View Post
    Hi everyone

    I see some are complaining about the way we handle things as the North American importer and distributor of Vitus Audio.

    First of all let me remind all about the timeline of SIA 30.

    Its introduced in May 2019 Munich show. The first commerically available units are shipped on the 3rd week of July 2019.

    Our first unit went for the first review of the unit to Avshowrooms and video of the review can be found at their website.

    Soon after, at the begining of September 2019 we introduced the SIA 030 at RMAF 2019. In actual fact we had 2 units in the room. 1 was playing and 1 was on static display ( in titanium orange color).

    Therefore comments about us being late in introducing the product to the US market is completely false.

    About the comments re our dealership network:

    We have started distributing VA products in March 2019. First thing as a distributor we looked at the representation of VA products in the previous dealer network we inherited. Clearly it wasnt represented in the way we wanted.. some dealer hsd a unit and never promoted the brand as it should be.. some had business practices that we did not want to be a part off.. therefore as the new distributor, we cleaned our dealership network on day one and started from scratch.

    It takes time to find good dealer who will represent the VA products as it should be.. therefore i accept your criticism for having 5 dealers at the moment. But unlike most other distributors we dont dish out dealerships and count our beans.. we turn down more dealership requests than we sign on..please call me and i will explain why..

    We do things differently.. we established a service center here in the US before we signed on new dealerships.. its crucial to be able address all the needa of the consumer before we start selling..

    Soon we will announce our new second hand certification program inline with our new warranty program.. for us the experience around VA products are more important than just selling another piece. We are different than other distributors..

    As for SIA 30 missing the boat.. hardly.. since we introduced the amp at RMAF 2019 its our best seller. Also there will more reviews coming not only for SIA 30 but a wide range of VA products.

    Did you know that, in our "new" dealership network, its a prerequisite to demo SIA 030 to become a dealer? Did you know that you can listen to SIA 030 in NYC, San Clemente ,Houston and in Las Vegas?

    We are NOT going to have 20-30 dealers in the country.. that i can assure you.. we are going to support our dealers with events.. like we did with Hans-Ole Vitus after the RMAF 2019. And we will continue to do that..we are not behind the curve.. we will never be.. but what we will never ever do is dish out dealerships just for the sake of doing it..

    VA products will be reprsented by only qualified dealers who are willing to share our passion.

    I will be at thw Florida Audio Expo in room 812.

    Please find me in my exhibit room with the SIA 030 and i will be more than happy to answer any.more questions that you might have face to face..

    If you are in LA, let me arrange a demo at your own home with my dealer..all you need to do is ask..

    My best to all forum members.

    Importer and Distributor for Vitus Audio in North America

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    Hi Oz,

    Nice chatting with you last night. Glad to see you here. Looking forward to seeing you in a couple of weeks at our show. Thank you for participating.

    As far as Suncoast Audio is concerned, I parted ways with Vitus long before Oz entered the picture. As Oz has indicated, things were a mess prior to his arrival, and thatís putting it modestly. Iíve since moved on, but I wouldnít hesitate for a second to get behind Vitus again. Oz is doing all the things you would expect from a distributor like participating at shows and getting the word out. There are some distributors who expect the dealer to do everything with respect to marketing and shows. Sorry, but thatís ass backwards.

    What folks need to understand, just because a product is good doesnít mean a dealer will carry it. There are a lot of factors that go into play. For most dealers, itís about WHO we work with on the manufacturer/distributor side that is as important as the product. You may have the best product in the world, but if your distributor is a turkey, then it just wonít fly. Remember, we are making a substantial investment too! Oz is someone I know is very approachable and good to work with. Iíve known him for quite a while.

    Anyway, all the best to Oz and the Vitus group.
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    Delightful. As I mentioned, I was quite happy with the 2 Vitus products I owned. My comment about the SIA-030 seems accurate though. I was anticipating its' release and from what I've read, it was originally slated to be produced about 2 years ago. Lastly, I don't think a dealer in each state would be overdoing it. Why would you expect the consumer to travel, possibly, 100's of miles to audition a product ? What am I missing? A note to STAX, I wasn't trashing the brand at all. Quite the opposite. I am just disappointed with its' lack of availability and "buzz".
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    Welcome Ozan!

    You may want to stick around and keep the audio enthusiasts on this site up to date with your dealer network, events and new products. You are likely to get more traction by being present and representing the brand. Less than 6 dealers across the US and only 3 or 4 US shows are not enough to build and/or grow a brand.
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    Hey Oz, Ed D. from Seattle.

    Good to hear you know Mike and are moving forward with Vitus!

    Best!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ritmo View Post
    Welcome Ozan!

    You may want to stick around and keep the audio enthusiasts on this site up to date with your dealer network, events and new products. You are likely to get more traction by being present and representing the brand. Less than 6 dealers across the US and only 3 or 4 US shows are not enough to build and/or grow a brand.
    Hi Ritmo,
    I think there is a misperception here..

    Let me clarify..

    I never said/planned to have only 4-5 dealers across the country. As I said on my earlier post, we have taken over distribution of Vitus Audio in March 2019 and started from scratch with our dealer network. In other words we have established 5 dealerships in the last 9 months since we took over distribution.

    If you were to take a snap shot picture of the dealership network today, and call it not enough you will be right.. but we are building the network and will add more dealers going forward.

    We will continue to the shows and do dealer events as well .

    as for the comments by Penthouse-D, regarding the product being late for 2 years.. I can tell you this.. VA is not a company that dishes out products every year.. It takes a good 2-3years before they are happy to introduce an upgrade or introduce a completely new product. Take a look at SIA-25. .it still is going for over 10 years with only one upgrade in those 10 years..in other words it takes time for a VA product to be commercially available. Also I never said we wont have a dealer in each state and force consumers to travel 100s miles for listen VA products. What I said was we are building our dealership network from scratch with dealers who are committed to the brand and showcase it properly..

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    I was simply referring to your quote," we are NOT going to have 20-30 dealers in the country".... I waited YEARS for an SIA-030 after it was initially announced.... Got tired of waiting.
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    Penthouse-d

    I have a question for you?.

    How many VA dealers where there before i took on distribution at any given point in time?

    Let me give you the answer not more that 5 and a good 60% of it didnt even had any products on the floor.

    As i explained we started 9 months ago and already upto the previous number of dealers in a short period of time and with all dealers having products on the floor.

    We will continue to add dealers but we wont do it in a rush..

    Therefore when you ask "what happened to Vitus?" You sounded like there were 30 dealers and now dropped to 5.. no it didnt..

    Instead we are laying the ground works for a more established experience around VA products, with more dealers with actual products on display, service center here in USA second hand certification etc etc..

    Please do not hesitate to contact me directly and i will explain further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highendbyoz View Post

    [...]

    Instead we are laying the ground works for a more established experience around VA products, with more dealers with actual products on display, service center here in USA second hand certification etc etc..

    [...]

    Well Done Oz.

    As Mike observes, you are doing all the things one would expect from a distributor, like participating at shows and getting the word out. I also think that establishing a service centre in the US before signing on new dealerships is a masterstroke. Ditto for 2nd hand certification. If you build the foundation right – scaling later with more dealerships is much easier.

    It seems like you had to build from practically nothing so don’t be discouraged by comments like “It seems the entire brand has been forgotten....” It’s now obvious that this is not the case.


    New beginnings can be great. A few years back Gryphon – another iconic Danish audio brand – was languishing in the United States. Today it gets lots of “press” and is represented by a distributor and over a dozen dealers.


    So, back to the opening salvo, “What happened to Vitus???”. The answer is simple. A new beginning. Good luck to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthouse-D View Post
    I was simply referring to your quote," we are NOT going to have 20-30 dealers in the country".... I waited YEARS for an SIA-030 after it was initially announced.... Got tired of waiting.
    I was in the same boat. There was quite a bit of chatter initially about SIA-030, but product itself did not get released for a very long time. In the end, I went with Gryphon Diablo 300. Couldnít be happier, by the way.

    It was indeed a bit of a strange situation.

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    My original question "what happened to Vitus" was directed to not only the brand itself, but 2-3 years ago there would be a post on this site nearly every day. Recently , maybe one every 6-8 months.... the brand has been "forgotten". Yes, wonderful awards, finally the new amp, but a guy in Colorado can't buy one...I've been a Vitus owner since the RI-100 was released. Close to 10 years. I had a NYC dealer who did not carry the line, sitting in my apartment listening to my RI-100, and because of that afternoon, he became a Vitus dealer... I upgraded to the SIA-025 easily because my dealer (who I have a RELATIONSHIP with), made it easy to do... The ," in a perfect world" theory here isn't working.. While you attempt to roll the brand out again, the consumer is tiring of the difficulty. In the end, it's all about the end consumer , the person who spends the last $... Lastly, here's a final example of how you are quickly losing the consumer. There is an RI-101 on Audiogon. It's obviously the new model. The guy can't sell it for 50% off retail. No-one cares!!!! 5-6 years ago, an SIA -025 would've sold in a week for a 35% discount.. Because there were dealers, press, buzz, etc... I'm certain your business plan is very dealer focused. Very few dealers, NO discounting, etc. Basically , the Spectral model. That may have worked had the brand started and stayed that way. It didn't. People have moved on to other brands, the brand has very poor resale, you can't see one unless you, in many cases spend $$$ and travel time.The brand is struggling...It's about the end consumer. US, not the dealers who will have the luxury of selling exclusive brands at full retail.. Most of us have moved on.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthouse-D View Post
    My original question "what happened to Vitus" was directed to not only the brand itself, but 2-3 years ago there would be a post on this site nearly every day. Recently , maybe one every 6-8 months.... the brand has been "forgotten". Yes, wonderful awards, finally the new amp, but a guy in Colorado can't buy one...I've been a Vitus owner since the RI-100 was released. Close to 10 years. I had a NYC dealer who did not carry the line, sitting in my apartment listening to my RI-100, and because of that afternoon, he became a dealer... I upgraded to the SIA-025 easily because my dealer (who I have a RELATIONSHIP with), made it easy to do... The ," in a perfect world" theory here isn't working.. While you attempt to roll the brand out again, the consumer is tiring of the difficulty. In the end, it's all about the end consumer , the person who spends the last $... Lastly, here's a final example of how you are quickly losing the consumer. There is an RI-101 on Audiogon. It's obviously the new model. The guy can't sell it for 50% off retail. No-one cares!!!! 5-6 years ago, an SIA -025 would've sold in a week for a 35% discount.. Because there were dealers, press, buzz, etc... I'm certain your business plan is very dealer focused. Very few dealers, NO discounting, etc. Basically , the Spectral model. That may have worked had the brand started and stayed that way. It didn't. People have moved on to other brands, the brand has very poor resale, you can't see one unless you, in many cases spend $$$ and travel time.The brand is struggling...It's about the end consumer. US, not the dealers who will have the luxury of selling exclusive brands at full retail.. Most of us have moved on.....
    Hi Once again..

    regarding the RI 101 on Audiogon.. thats with an old model dac.. its no longer available.. RI 101 only comes with optional DAC/Streamer module only.. and to clarify.. the old dac was a $2,760 option. in other word the ad stating the new price of the unit at 20600 is misleading..

    I think you prefer not to call me.. but dont hesitate if you want to know the FACTs about Vitus and what we do..

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    How long is your contract with Vitus? You're making my point. I should call you for the facts?... I get it, but if you want to sell product, you should be listening to your customers. Not me listening to you. Quite frankly,I'm giving you the most valuable information. Get A LOT of good dealers, make it EASY for me to see/ listen, and possibly buy the product, and lastly, if a dealer sees fit, let them offer a discount to loyal customers. I may be wrong, but what I'm hearing is " full retail only". The market has become very competitive with many great brands. T+A, Gryphon, any more. Good luck with that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Highendbyoz View Post
    Hi Ritmo,
    I think there is a misperception here..

    Let me clarify..

    I never said/planned to have only 4-5 dealers across the country. As I said on my earlier post, we have taken over distribution of Vitus Audio in March 2019 and started from scratch with our dealer network. In other words we have established 5 dealerships in the last 9 months since we took over distribution.

    If you were to take a snap shot picture of the dealership network today, and call it not enough you will be right.. but we are building the network and will add more dealers going forward.

    We will continue to the shows and do dealer events as well .

    as for the comments by Penthouse-D, regarding the product being late for 2 years.. I can tell you this.. VA is not a company that dishes out products every year.. It takes a good 2-3years before they are happy to introduce an upgrade or introduce a completely new product. Take a look at SIA-25. .it still is going for over 10 years with only one upgrade in those 10 years..in other words it takes time for a VA product to be commercially available. Also I never said we wont have a dealer in each state and force consumers to travel 100s miles for listen VA products. What I said was we are building our dealership network from scratch with dealers who are committed to the brand and showcase it properly..
    Great! Glad you are pursuing a strategy of more visibility and a wider retail network.

    Please donít misunderstand my note. Iím simply encouraging you to be appropriately active on this site as you further develop the dealer network and Vitus introduces new products.

    Wish you great success!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthouse-D View Post
    My original question "what happened to Vitus" was directed to not only the brand itself, but 2-3 years ago there would be a post on this site nearly every day. Recently , maybe one every 6-8 months.... the brand has been "forgotten". [...]

    Give the man a chance.


    He’s had the brand for all of six months during which time he’s appointed dealers who actually have product on display, set up a US service center, planned a 2nd hand certification program [surprisingly few brands have one], supported dealers at audio shows, facilitated product reviews etc. etc.


    Indeed 2-3 years ago there were more frequent Vitus posts on Audioshark. Is there a causal link between posting frequency on Audioshark and long term audio brand success? What other factors might influence post frequency? When it comes to Vitus I can think of three. First, 2-3 years ago the brand was stocked and promoted by the owner of this very forum. Second, it was the era of Bodhi. Third, the earlier distribution model appears to have had problems leading to a loss in momentum in the USA for the brand.


    Reading in between the lines it seems you were passionate about the brand but then felt let down by it. Given Vitus – in their own words – have just re-entered the US market perhaps it’s a bit too soon to suggest “the new distributor did not help.”?
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    Quote Originally Posted by dznutz View Post
    It has been, it was never as amazing as it was marketed. People who actually owned them complained that the units weren't as well designed and built as they should have been. At these prices amps should not be humming or buzzing.
    Please direct me to the sites where, as you wrote, Vitus owners "complained the units weren't well designed and built as (well) as they should have been..."

    I locate only glowing reviews and comments on Vitus gear.
    Thanks.

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    Most Manufacturers will go out of their way to ensure that criticism doesn't exist in the public domain. If you are simply a Consumer who relies on Dealers, Reviewers and Marketing material then your only getting half the truth. Very few Dealers will criticize a Brand, most will simply drop them and move along.

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    How can you even state that there is no criticism existing on the public domain? There are many, many critical comments about hi fi products that you can access with a quick search.
    I asked you where you got your information about Vitus owners (plural) being displeased with their Vitus gear. I'm not asking you for something uncommon. I'm simply asking that you cite your sources.
    Or did you make this up what you wrote? Without sources, that's the only conclusion I can make.

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    ^ You must be speaking in absolutes, I am not. I do not take anything on the internet as fact. I also don't owe you anything, feel free to purchase whatever you like and enjoy.

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    I'm simply trying to determine whether your statement was your opinion or factually based.
    Be well. Enjoy music.

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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    Not living in the USA, i can assure you that Vitus has maintained its presence in many other parts of the world and continues to produce very impressive gear imho.

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    I suppose the distributor play a very important part in the brand presence in your region . Hans ole did visit Malaysia a couple of times & we treat him like a true Viking 😄.
    Not much issue with my Vitus - Masterpiece MPL mk2, MPP mk2 , MPD MK 3 - all these upgraded without much issue & Vitus MPM monoblock is excellent driving my Focal Stella Em

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    Quote Originally Posted by Penthouse-D View Post
    Get A LOT of good dealers
    As if one snaps their fingers . . .

    Dealers have way more brands at the offer to them than they can possibly represent well. A "dealer" is not just someone that can get you the product; they have to be able to demo it for you (meaning, put the unit on a rack in a room) and we all know that there is only but so much room. And they have to really know it, be able to talk about it, and be assured that it'll satisfy the customer, won't break down, service is available if it does break down, etc etc.

    If a dealer's racks are full, what brand should they drop in order to make room for something new?

    Have a good talk in private (not online) with your favorite dealer and learn how they chose which brands they represent. I did that very recently here; it was a fascinating and instructive conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bart001 View Post
    As if one snaps their fingers . . .

    Dealers have way more brands at the offer to them than they can possibly represent well. A "dealer" is not just someone that can get you the product; they have to be able to demo it for you (meaning, put the unit on a rack in a room) and we all know that there is only but so much room. And they have to really know it, be able to talk about it, and be assured that it'll satisfy the customer, won't break down, service is available if it does break down, etc etc.

    If a dealer's racks are full, what brand should they drop in order to make room for something new?

    Have a good talk in private (not online) with your favorite dealer and learn how they chose which brands they represent. I did that very recently here; it was a fascinating and instructive conversation.
    What happened to Vitus???

    Well said. Itís not just the brands coming at you left right and center (there is definitely that), but what customers have to keep in mind is that we as dealers have to LIKE the people we deal with. They donít have to be all lovey dovey, but they do have to be professional, responsive and supportive.

    I donít care how good the product is, if your rep is a jerk, we wonít deal with you. I sold my IT business, could have retired 6 years ago, so Iím doing this to stay busy and have fun. I had over 25 years of horrendous stress. I will not do that again.

    I have dropped brands because of late Friday night calls from a drunk rep cursing up a storm. I have dropped brands because an owner of a company spoke in the most disgusting way about his wife (sexually) and I have avoided brands altogether with complete jerks.

    There was one particular network transport brand last year that we were speaking with. This recycled rep (and there are sadly a few of them still around) was a complete jerk. We then lost complete interest in the brand. The owner just last week reached out to us and told us heís no longer with them (for the exact reasons we expressed) and asked to speak with us again. How many of these international brands do these same recycled guys have to ruin before the manufacturers wake up? Stop hiring the same old losers! When you have a proper distributor doing a good job, stop getting greedy! Jesus.

    For those not in the know, washed up reps take less of the cut than a proper distributor. But then you get what you pay for ladies and gentleman.

    There are many good rep firms. Our focal/NAIM guy is INCREDIBLE. Heís hard working and always - always - professional and responsive. But there are still a few of the one man show reps whoíve been around forever and left a wake of destruction in their path.

    For the life of me, I have no idea why these overseas brands continue to hire these washed up individuals. News flash: dealers donít like them and that affects YOUR sales! There are plenty of good ones around that you donít need to hire the same knuckleheads who promise you the moon and only deliver grief.


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    I remember when I signed on as the North American distributor for Avantgarde Acoustics in '99.

    They had zero North American dealers or sales.

    I finally showed at CES 2000 in January of that year.

    We went on to build a good name for the company, but there were a number of issues - the largest of which was that they were almost completely unknown, except for a few horn-lovers who largely kept their preference to themselves.

    I (Avantgarde-USA) never had but about 15-20 dealers (yes, we were picky), yet we sold more annually than any country or territory had sold to date elsewhere on the planet...

    We worked hard to support our dealers, including extra training, monthly newsletters, and appearing at local events, as well as at all of the larger shows.

    I would probably still be involved, but I had to resign in 2005. When I signed on, the price was OK (the exchange rate was 87 (US) cents for a (German) Deutsche Mark. During that four-and-a-half year time period, the exchange rate went from 87 cents to $1.27 - over a 30% increase in cost to me! There were no new or nicely updated models, so they did not raise the price. I couldn't ask my hard-working dealers to take less margin, though a few of them would have done so, rather than have it all fall apart as it did subsequently. Therefore, I couldn't independently raise the price anywhere near enough to stay on as the distributor.

    The last year - 2005 - as I hung on and tried to support the dealers as well as Avantgarde Acoustic, I lost a a LOT of money on each & every sale.

    Finally I had no choice - and no more money to throw away on each sale - so I resigned in late October of '2005.

    So there a lot of things that can affect the potentially tricky US distributor/international manufacturer relationship.

    I wish OZ the very best as he moves forward, re-introducing Vitus to a much smaller available dealer network than existed in the past. At this time, the good news is that he has nowhere to go but upwards!!!

    Go Oz!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Smith View Post
    When I signed on, the price was OK (the exchange rate was 87 (US) cents for a (German) Deutsche Mark. During that four-and-a-half year time period, the exchange rate went from 87 cents to $1.27 - over a 30% increase in cost to me! There were no new or nicely updated models, so they did not raise the price. I couldn't ask my hard-working dealers to take less margin, though a few of them would have done so, rather than have it all fall apart as it did subsequently. Therefore, I couldn't independently raise the price anywhere near enough to stay on as the distributor.
    This is still an issue right? Exchange rates, and the cost/availability of transport overseas (a problem right now!), can really be a headwind when trying to rep ex-US brands in the States I understand.

    There are advantages US dealers have selling US-made goods these days.
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    Re: What happened to Vitus???

    Agreed!

    Even so, I am seeing delays with some US products right now.

    Paul McGowan calls it a parts-demic.
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    This has been a really interesting thread and parallels my job experiences. I used to think the work was most important but found out over time that it was who I was working for and who I was working with were much more important.

    Itís easy to draw parallels in the audio world.
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