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    Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Similar in power delivery (50w vs 40w class A) both share the newer architecture with intelligent class A & music modes, and are similarly priced. If sound quality is the primary objective which would you choose?

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

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    Thx. As newer and more powerfull?
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4music View Post
    Thx. As newer and more powerfull?
    More class A sweeter sounds.


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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    I've heard both back to back and the SS-103 walks it. The SM-011's sound veiled and slow by comparison (and I loved the SM-011's on a home demo). Personally I don't know why anyone would pick the monos over the stereo, although I know some v knowledgable people have it the other way around.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    just to prove how we all hear things differently. I owned the SM 011 for a couple of years and eventually moved them on as i found them too analytical and somewhat forward in my system. Certainly the opposite of veiled and slow in my system. I did everything i could to slow them down!!.

    however their bass control and authority was simply awesome. I remember when i put them into my system (coming from a Vitus SIA 025) it was like i had added a subwoofer to the system.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Personally i'm waiting on the SIA-030 integrated due around the end of the year which will be based on the SS-103 & SL-103 .

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    i think in retrospect the SIA 025 was a real sweety in my system - and there was probably no need to change. Highlights that moving up the line even within the same brand doesn't mean your going to get more of the same.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melbguy1 View Post
    Personally i'm waiting on the SIA-030 integrated due around the end of the year which will be based on the SS-103 & SL-103 .
    Yes it could be world class if it build on the SIA-025 strengths.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Melbguy1, I'm with you.I wonder if the DAC option will be available when it's released. It would be nice to get some pricing info...
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by pweg View Post
    i think in retrospect the SIA 025 was a real sweety in my system - and there was probably no need to change. Highlights that moving up the line even within the same brand doesn't mean your going to get more of the same.
    I agree the SIA-025 is the warmest, most tube-like amp in VA's lineup (aside from the old SS-102). More so than the SM-011 mono's which are more neutral. The SIA-030 may just be a very good thing and woo you away from those sexy 300B amps....

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Penthouse-D View Post
    Melbguy1, I'm with you.I wonder if the DAC option will be available when it's released. It would be nice to get some pricing info...
    I would say most likely yes as VA has enough manufacturing capacity to work on the dac module side by side the amp. No pricing yet. The dac module will be good.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    elrog 845's - awesomeness
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melbguy1 View Post
    ..The SIA-030 may just be a very good thing and woo you away from those sexy 300B amps....
    Quote Originally Posted by pweg View Post
    elrog 845's - awesomeness
    ...or maybe not! The SIA-025 is reminiscent of a good 300b amp in class A mode because of its warmth & the way the midrange is rich and nicely rounded, but of course it will never replace one. Then again, a 300b integrated or stereo amp will never replace what the Vitus does so well .

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melbguy1 View Post
    Personally i'm waiting on the SIA-030 integrated due around the end of the year which will be based on the SS-103 & SL-103 .
    Hi David,

    Make sure you do an in-home demo of the SIA-030 before you upgrade from the SIA-025. You wouldn't want to lose any of that warmth the SIA-025 is famous for.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpinist View Post
    Hi David,

    Make sure you do an in-home demo of the SIA-030 before you upgrade from the SIA-025. You wouldn't want to lose any of that warmth the SIA-025 is famous for.

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    Hi Ken,

    I may not be able to swing a home demo as I have a suspicion there will be a waiting list for the new model, and I would need to sell my current amp to part-fund the new one. With that said, the feedback on the SS-103 and SM-103 mono's + SL-103 has been very positive, so that's a good sign. Also the S5 Mk2's are fairly power hungry, so I think the extra power/control and improved circuit design should more than compensate for any slight loss of warmth.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Melbguy1 View Post
    ...or maybe not! The SIA-025 is reminiscent of a good 300b amp in class A mode because of its warmth & the way the midrange is rich and nicely rounded, but of course it will never replace one. Then again, a 300b integrated or stereo amp will never replace what the Vitus does so well .
    Hi david,
    I own sabrina from w.a feeded by devialet200.
    I m seriously thinking of an end game amp, and vitus is on top of my amps.
    Would the sia 25 be the pretender for the task?
    The ri100 or ri101( the newest one) with built in dac is more in my budget, and i m wondering if he can excel in handling the sabs?
    Any thoughts?
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    I found this from the Stereophile review of the Sabrina:-

    My estimate of the Sabrina's voltage sensitivity on the tweeter axis was 88.2dB/2.83V/m, slightly higher than the specified 87dB. Wilson specifies the Sabrina's electrical impedance as 4 ohms, with a minimum magnitude of 2.53 ohms at 139Hz. My measurement of the impedance is shown in fig.1: the value (solid trace) varies between 4 and 6 ohms between 250Hz and 4kHz, and the minimum magnitude is 2.44 ohms at 135Hz. However, there is also a combination of 4.44 ohms and a capacitive phase angle of –58° at 72Hz, a frequency where music can have considerable energy; this will place a significant demand for current on the partnering amplifier.
    Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/...Hjkq18SiLm0.99

    This impediance drop out at 139Hz can present problems for the partnering amplifier.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclopse View Post
    I found this from the Stereophile review of the Sabrina:-

    My estimate of the Sabrina's voltage sensitivity on the tweeter axis was 88.2dB/2.83V/m, slightly higher than the specified 87dB. Wilson specifies the Sabrina's electrical impedance as 4 ohms, with a minimum magnitude of 2.53 ohms at 139Hz. My measurement of the impedance is shown in fig.1: the value (solid trace) varies between 4 and 6 ohms between 250Hz and 4kHz, and the minimum magnitude is 2.44 ohms at 135Hz. However, there is also a combination of 4.44 ohms and a capacitive phase angle of –58° at 72Hz, a frequency where music can have considerable energy; this will place a significant demand for current on the partnering amplifier.
    Read more at https://www.stereophile.com/content/...Hjkq18SiLm0.99

    This impediance drop out at 139Hz can present problems for the partnering amplifier.

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    Thks, i ve read it many times.
    I know that sabs require only 50watts amplification, but experience showed that higher wattage is much better!
    Ri100 will definitely do the job, but i was wondering what the sia25 with 30 watt class A will be able to do.
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by sksouri1456 View Post
    Thks, i ve read it many times.
    I know that sabs require only 50watts amplification, but experience showed that higher wattage is much better!
    Ri100 will definitely do the job, but i was wondering what the sia25 with 30 watt class A will be able to do.
    Cheerd


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    The magic with Vitus is class A mode. A total of 25 watts with the SIA-025 or much more with Ri100, more watts but no class A mode. My Harbeths are only 83.5db efficiency and the SIA-025 has no problem at all because Harbeth have made it an easy load. My Raidho was around 87db efficiency but the Vitus prefers the Harbeth load. So it’s not all about efficiency figures.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyclopse View Post
    The magic with Vitus is class A mode. A total of 25 watts with the SIA-025 or much more with Ri100, more watts but no class A mode. My Harbeths are only 83.5db efficiency and the SIA-025 has no problem at all because Harbeth have made it an easy load. My Raidho was around 87db efficiency but the Vitus prefers the Harbeth load. So it’s not all about efficiency figures.
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by johndoe21ro View Post
    What Raidho model do you have, Cyclopse?
    This was the C1.1 standmount. The Harbeth P3 Anniversary is an easier load.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Did anyone keep SIA-025 and added the SM-011 as an upgrade ?
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    i did exactly this and regretted it

    the SM 011 are a much leaner more forward presentation - although they do dig down quite low, the overall presentation is vastly different to the SIA 025. I tried all sorts of things to remedy including adding one of Vitus's own preamps to flesh out the sound but nothing really helped. At the time i was using the Vitus MP Dac and transport as source. The MP Dac was also the preamp.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by pweg View Post
    i did exactly this and regretted it

    the SM 011 are a much leaner more forward presentation - although they do dig down quite low, the overall presentation is vastly different to the SIA 025. I tried all sorts of things to remedy including adding one of Vitus's own preamps to flesh out the sound but nothing really helped. At the time i was using the Vitus MP Dac and transport as source. The MP Dac was also the preamp.
    Thanks, so do you think the SS-103 would be a better match paired with the SIA-025 ?
    I've been told the preamp of the SIA-025 is very good and therefore can be used with one of Vitus power amps and no loss in quality.
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    who knows ..... never had the ss103 in my system ....

    if you dont want the SIA 025 as an integrated why keep it as a pre? I was told the MP dac was good as a pre ..... but its not.

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by pweg View Post
    who knows ..... never had the ss103 in my system ....

    if you dont want the SIA 025 as an integrated why keep it as a pre? I was told the MP dac was good as a pre ..... but its not.
    I plan on keeping the SIA-025 several years by itself and add Vitus stereo or monos latter on as an upgrade.
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Are your speakers coming alive at low volume with the vitus sia 025 or do you need to crank it up a bit ?
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    I can say, from my point of view, what happened when I added the SS025 to the SIA025/Gauder RC7 combo. Everything remained the same, timbres, dynamics, spatiality. The only thing that changed was the lack of distortion, which now occurred. In direct comparison, the SIA025/Gauder combo now sounds like excellent hifi. The combination with the extra SS025, on the other hand, sounds like real music.
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by imprezap2 View Post
    Are your speakers coming alive at low volume with the vitus sia 025 or do you need to crank it up a bit ?
    No they don’t at low volume no magic, not enough current IMO.
    The only amp that i home demoed and where the magic happened at low volume is the Audionet Humboldt so far.
    I wonder how the Vitus SL-103 + SM-011 would do ?
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Ok guys guess what, huge change in my system since I replaced my 2 Audioquest Firebird PCs for 2 Furutech DSP 4.1 with FI50 plugs.
    My SIA-025 is now in another league, it even outperformed the Audionet Humboldt in a recent shootout.
    You Vitus owners should take a look at Furutech DSP 4.1 PCs it’s jaw dropping!!
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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    With a Vitus RI-101-2 needing a power cord, I'll bite.
    What did it do for the sound and did you DIY it or..... from whom?

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    Re: Vitus SS-103 or SM-011?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smile View Post
    With a Vitus RI-101-2 needing a power cord, I'll bite.
    What did it do for the sound and did you DIY it or..... from whom?
    DSP 4.1 delivers way more current to your amp than most cables out there.
    Sound is very engaging, full body, organic and yet more transparent than my ex Firebird.
    Bass is insanely good, it puts to shame my ex Firebird!
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